This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

Originally posted by gncnew
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-Bob

Finally, someone says what I have been thinking every time a 'soundbite' comes on the radio with these chanting people. If I hear the world 'solidarity' or 'ideology' one more time, chairman Mao is going to roll over in his grave.

WAKE UP people (Wall Street Protesters)! You live in AMERICA, the land of the FREE. You are chanting like mindless school children who are being force fed an agenda.

Oh boo hoo, the rich are rich and I don't have any money. spare me. I was poor, I was rich. Rich people work their behinds off. Poor people work their behinds off. Everyone works. Some people get rich quick, most don't. Some people stay poor quick, many do. Money isn't what is wrong with our country, it is dishonest, unmoralistic, broken leadership.

I love vegetables because I never had enough of them when I was poor; should I hand over all my vegetables to someone else now just because I worked my whole life to get them and now I enjoy them? This smacks of socialist communism. Obama bumper stickers smack of socialist communism...what with all their little red, black and white fuzzy dot thingies on them. Wake up people! This is America. The land of the free, the land of capitalism. If you don't like it, please move to China. I'm sure they can squeeze you in.

Sorry to sound so harsh, but...what exactly IS your singular agenda? All I have heard is monotone voices repeating randomn numbered quotes that sound very Marxist to me. ewwww. Give me Thomas Jefferson anyday. Thank you.

Originally posted by watcher3339

First, please don't take this as an attack on you. Because it isn't. I would like to acknowledge and appreciate that you told another poster he doesn't have to agree. You are one of the few who favor the protests who seems to recognize that people have the right to disagree!
But, in terms of the message. It isn't clear. It is so multifaceted as to be meaningless.
"They took our homes!"
"They took our jobs!" (makes me think of South Park)
"gender inequality" (in one fo the most gender neutral places on earth)
"Student Loans" (uh, yeah, that we all signed up for and held our breath praying that someone would give them to us)

It's one big chorus of rabble rabble rabble rabble.
One person supporting the "movement" on here said that we need to protect the environment and invest in clean energy. Another, on here, supported the movement by saying no more of their tax dollars to fund solar programs...

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I agree that they have put a lot on the table all at once and I can see how it can look like a complete mess. Also I can see how having so many issues on the table could turn some people off as they don't agree with all of them but only some of them.

I myself can't relate to every one if the issues as I don't live in the US so don't feel it's my place to say.

I think as a movement they have done a good thing in having such a broad list of issues as it shows just how messed up the system is in so many areas and appeals to a greater number of disenfranchised people. It seems to be more of a statement that things need to change. Once that is taken notice of, acknowledged and agreed upon, the finer details can begin to be sorted out. If the message continues to get ignored....... who knows???

That's how I as an outsider am seeing this at the moment. It could all change tomorrow though.

reply to post by nuttin4U


Amen

Ok... just had a thought. Perhaps the protesters and Wall Street could come to an agreement. This is how democracy should work.

The investors want a return on their investment. The protesters want recognition of their part towards that investment.

So, let's ask Wall Street to Invest in the Individual. Our technology allows for the creative capital of our world to combine in a way that will provide benefit to all those who wish to participate.

Stockholders could realign their capital towards individuals who show promise of gains rather than focus on a specific company.

This could pacify both sides for awhile and create a cycle of economic growth.

reply to post by gncnew


Expect flames



I still havent been given a good answer as to what they expect to happen.

"WE WANT PEOPLE TO STOP BEING MEAN!!! WE ARE PROTESTING MEAN-NESS!"



That and $1 still wont get you anything but a funny look at starbucks.

I do give some credit to some of the well meaning folks protesting. Hearts in the right place, their mind just isnt.

reply to post by gncnew


Yes, and poor people without jobs used to 'make' their own work. If there were not jobs, the ingenuity of the American would 'create' a job or a skill or a product (the American patent system) that would require demand...supply and demand. I agree. Toss your iphones people and learn a skill. Starting with spelling, punctuation, and reading. Read a book, learn to sew, cook, farm. Learn to 'do' something instead of whining. You aren't starving to death if you're standing in a protest line.

(I'm not talking about the true 'down and out' poverty/poor...where one hard knock/break keeps pushing you down. I've been there. The car breaks down, you lose your job, no food, etc. I'm talking about whining 20-somethings who can't get a fortune 500 job to pay their student loans back to Fannie Mae.

reply to post by gncnew


Its called social engineering and studying the reactions of the masses. No different than putting a cookie on your PC so they can tailor advertising geared to your surfing habits.

Remember. Not only did rocket science come over on paperclip but social science as well.

Although, I must add: This whole thing reminds me of the beginnings of the French Revolution...the everyday working class, the regular everyday people, getting...well, just plain upset...agenda, or not...and 'that' is a scary thought. An unorganized mass of angry people with no central direction spiraling towards no particular goal in the midst of an economic and social breakdown of society.

reply to post by gncnew


Not prrotesting a system that is only a "free-market" in name and has made us all peasants/surfs would be absurd.

If you think Washington D.C. is running the show, then you need to wake up my friend.

The world is ran from NYC, especially Wall Street.

"Money talks and B.S. walks" The money is in NYC and the B.S. is in D.C.

The people doing this are real patriots. I am as proud of them as I am of our soldiers who signed on on the behalf of the people, even if they have been misused and abused by TPTB.

I am wondering if all this loud "noise" is similar to what the Seneters of Rome heard shortly before instituting the Collisium games??? We all know how that eventually ended.......

What I don't see in any of this is the question of what would happen if We the People changed things by the use of our pocket books.

You want more jobs in the USA? Than buy USA products. If the USA products get outsourced to China, buy someother USA product.

We could effect significant change to our country's problems if we use our heads and steer it from the bottom up.

How many of those protesters on Wall Street shop at Walmart?? Think about it.

For years I heard " I want all the goodies and stuff to make life fun and to feel good about myself, BUT I don't want to spend a bunch of dough to get it all".........

By definition most sheeple don't know they are sheeple.

I heard some kids say "This is our 1960's".... "It's our time to protest THE MAN".

Protesting won't solve our present financial crisis, in my opinion. It will take thinking people taking individual actions to drive a "consumer" economy forward.

Think about it.

note: no matter what happens, no matter where you look, no matter what.... there will always be rich people and poor people! get over it.

rant over,
jalmo1 out

I am shocked at the ignorance of this thread. Here are 6 reasons to protest.

1. Unemployment is skyrocketing.

The common laborer is being taken out by technology. Factories are becoming automated. Because of the financial crisis, most companies are working with only as many employees as they need, rather than hiring more. This causes the ones hired, to work very hard, expecting to put work first, before family. While they still have to live off food stamps. And they're supposed to think they're lucky for having a job? It's slavery. So people with these jobs should be protesting, and all the unemployed should be protesting. Thats a lot of people with some very serious problems with the government.

2.Bail outs.
Because the rich are rich, and the federal reserve system is acting like a shadow government, they can keep on printing money for themselves. All the rich, just bail themselves out. When they are low on money, they write themselves a check. This is detrimental to the entire economy, money made out of nothing, is exactly that. Without people having to earn that money, you're simply turning money back into what it really is, paper.

3. The social divide

With the above reason, this is also causing gap that is ever increasing between the classes. The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. This is causing people to live lives they do not want to live. For no reason at all. This is causing two parents, to have to work, full time, in order to raise their children. Which is causing a disconnection with family and loved ones. Work is becoming more important that going to your daughters recital, or your sons soccer game. This is not right, nor is it fair. Meanwhile, the rich continue living their lives, as if there is nothing out of the ordinary. They enjoy themselves, and pay no attention to the people that don't have it so well.

4. The education system
It sucks. Lotteries to get your children into a decent school, to having to pay huge amounts of cash just to get an education in your career choice. Then once you've gone through 7 years of school to become a doctor, you realize that everyone else did the same thing, so there is no jobs available. Go work at Mc donalds... which oh, everyone else is already trying to apply there too. Good luck. There is no point in even going to post secondary school anymore, puts you in more debt than you can handle, especially trying to pay it off with a mcdonalds salary. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, welcome to america.

5.Money, inflation, economy

Food, gas, supplies, and entertainment, is all skyrocketing. Anyone with a minimum wage job, is not going to get any enjoyment out of life, even if they are single. With the rising prices on everything, we can barely keep up with our bills. The dollar is becoming less and less valuable by the day, and the economy is showing no signs of that changing. There has been no economic growth to speak of, and when you look around the globe, this is not a local problem. But if you're rich, theres nothing wrong the economy, at all. Enjoy yourself.

6.Greed vs the worlds problems

There is poverty everywhere. People are starving and dying, and the worlds resources are being raped faster than we can thrust. We live in a world that is in a state of decline. All in the name of greed. The worlds problems could all be solved, if the rich, gave back to the poor. Rather than taking from them, and all their resources, there is plenty for everyone. If we would stop using oil, which is only used because of profit, that would solve several problems. But we will use oil until there is nothing left, because the only thing that matters in life, is money. Profit is more important than you. If we don't have a dollar sign over our head showing we are worth something of value, we are dismissed, and ignored. Nikola Tesla knew this. He tried to change the world, he knew there was way. But that way has been suppressed, truth has been supressed. All in the name of greed.

We live in a world of abundance, if we did things without profit in mind, everyone would have their fair share. A new system needs to be born. The monetary system is over. Forget all the old systems, no more isms, no more ists. How about a system of abundance, there there is no 1% and there is no 99%, but simply, a 100%.


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reply to post by jalmo1


You are familiar with the NFL, MMA and all of the other sports. We have had the coliseums in our version of Rome for some time now. Ours are just more play gladiators rather than deadly ones.

reply to post by theingloriousbasterd


Agreed. You suppose the protesters caught the Sunday games on thier Iphones?

They probably complained when their signals cut out, and they missed that field goal. Darn those money grubbing phone companies!!!!!

reply to post by solsticks


If you went down to Wall Street they wouldn't take your veggies, they would probably give you some they grew themselves.

News flash....you are a peasant, like the rest of us. No matter how many rotten tomatoes you have saved up your whole life.

You are bitter, scared and ignorant. Stop acting like you can take your peasant savings with you when you die or that it will buy you happiness or security. Only love and friendship buy anything close to happiness and security. Financial success, at most, is gravy on a truly fulfilled life.

reply to post by jalmo1


Yes, because you cannot expect your phone provider to give the service you pay for and have a societal conscious.

Also, most of those people are either not NFL fans or they were probably not following that close because they were at a protest were they where dealing with police forces.


This is a classic straw man argument of the sycophants of the corrupt version of capitalism we live under. People like you remind me of what the guy who wore the gimp costume in Pulp Fiction must have been like.

The ignorance of many people on these boards is staggering.

How many of you were upset at the bailouts?

How many of YOU made threads about TPTB , or our corrupt politicians, or police brutality?

And what do YOU do when a group of people do something about it? You cry and complain that they arn't doing it right, or the people that are protesting don't fit what you think they should look like ect ect.

I was there at Occupy Wall Street on the 1st day, were YOU?

What is happening out there is people fighting for your right to even be on an anonymous message board, yet you still attempt to minimize what we are doing and what our message is!

It is frustrating protesting for hours against the Big business machine in the rain just to come home and find people on this site belittling my actions.

You are nothing but an armchair patriot, at best. If you are not brave enough to take a stand at least don't get in the way of those of us that are courageous enough to do so.

Whats running around and whining going to do?

The only thing that will make a difference is when people start blowing s**t up!!!

THE TRUTH!!

Originally posted by RandomThought
You guys obviously don't know what occupy wallstreet is all about. You think its all children then you are just plain and simple being ignorant. I'm not going to sit here and explain what its all about, its all over the web and easy to obtain information.

You think people are doing this because they don't want to work? are you kidding me?

Children of 60's Hippies Emerge From Cocoons - Jesse Watters

Actually they are most likely the grandchildren, but oh well.

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Originally posted by solsticks
Although, I must add: This whole thing reminds me of the beginnings of the French Revolution...the everyday working class, the regular everyday people, getting...well, just plain upset...agenda, or not...and 'that' is a scary thought. An unorganized mass of angry people with no central direction spiraling towards no particular goal in the midst of an economic and social breakdown of society.

Though very large segments of the population are upset. Only a very small portion is involved in or supportive of the protests. There is no revolution here.
Even on a board like ATS which by its very nature would be expected to have a much higher than average support for this type of thing, an awful lot of us don't like it, don't agree with it, don't trust it, don't want it.