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This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 
I read on some blog one of the leaders of the OWS paid a bunch of illegal aliens to protest, but many of them carried signs that could not be understood.....OY

I admit I didn't go dashing to google to verify it, but it sounds about right.....

I agree the movement is a thinly veiled socialist communistic movement. I still believe most of the youth participating don't get that...yet

It's up to us to show them

I am proud they are standing up, I just want them to KNOW what they are standing up for.

The actual socialists and communists already know whats REALLY going on



Astroturf! No surprise. Working Families Party is paying people to demonstrate.

Now Hiring! $350 - $650 a week Destroy capitalism and replace it with the iron
fist of socialism.

When the temp drops to 29 degrees they will quit and run home.




posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Arghhhhhh Reds under the beds!!!!



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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reply to post by Shamatt
 

and this is the attitude exemplified by soooo many >>>>> ... it works for me ... so what?

You know, I am well past 40 years now, and I can not be botherd with pesky spell checkers and the lark. I have spent my life typing and retyping and spell checking. And I realised that I can get my message accross perfectly well with the odd spelling error. So why should I? I acheive my goals. It is harder for me than for most, and I have to use all sorts of tricks to do this. It is a slow porcess but I get there. I am not goinng to add more time to the process when it adds nothing to my being understood.

well guess what?
i'm well beyond 40 also and i regularly use the spell-check as a courtesy to others.
guess that one got past you though, cause you do for you.

and no offense, but i sure do know alot of IT ppl and not one of them negates using the spell-check ... after all, it is burned into their reflexes just as the home keys are to a typist.

and, since i'm a dyslexic ... deciphering poorly written/spelled posts isn't my forte.
so, thanks for the consideration


so, if business shouldn't do it for profit, they what?

and, since you stated ...

that government should do what is best for the people, not what is best for themselves
would be why i "lectured" you ... cause that quoted statement is both vague and incorrect.

as for your comment, "change is coming" ... i agree but i doubt it'll reflect what you perceive.

thank you for your offer but i hold no faith in something so personal being conducted over the internet. besides, everyone i've paid for a reading, never got more than 1/2 way and then refunded my money. i wouldn't want to scare you too



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:05 AM
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reply to post by gentledissident
 



Originally posted by Honor93
the govt should do what is best for the country ...that is its j-o-b


I'll just quote you for this reply...

Originally posted by Honor93
every business "manipulates" their "customers" for profit

the government has no authority to engage in "business".
we the people are not supposed to be "customers", but the Fed Reserve changed all of that.

the govt is still of the people, by the people and for the people ... that hasn't changed either.
but like you said ... for "which" people is the question ... and i say, the FR.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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But all the top shots at the federal reserve are sock puppets of the major Wall Street companies!!! They don't act independently, they are sock puppets.

To prove my point: Goldman's recent reports stipulate that they WANT QE3, which would be a disaster for the US$. If you listened to Bernake's latest speech, you realize that QE3 WILL happen, they will pull through with it, even though the previous ones haven't helped anyone but the big corporations on Wall Street...help them to cover up how much they screw up and cost the tax payer money.

and the part you're ignoring is that Goldman Sachs is one of the current owners and one of the founding families of the FR ... is this news to you?
along with, JP Morgan and Citibank (and all their subsidiaries that skim off the top), Rockefeller, Rothschild ... they're all owners of the FR ... not the govt, not the citizens and certainly not wall street.
and, Soros is tied to most of them, directly. need more ???



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Some evidence of all those connections would be good. I keep hearing about who owns the FEd and people provide very little evidence. I am interested in the connections and proof of them.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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reply to post by aaron2209
 

who in the world voted me in for the duty????
i certainly didn't volunteer and don't want the position if it's begged of me.

besides, i posted a plan on another site some time ago ... couldn't say if any of it is being acted upon, we weren't here yet ... as for designing a plan of action for this group, i doubt Senor Soros would approve my plan


although, that does give me an idea for a thread ... anyone care to start it ??
have ppl list their top 10 changes that would:
alleviate the economic stress immediately, alleviate the debt/credit syndrome, enable greater property ownership, eliminate the bulk of taxes and promote peace.
here's my top 5:
End the Fed / abolish not buy 'em out as has been suggested
Repeal the Corporate personhood legislation
Eliminate all Lobbyists and curtail campaign donations
Recall any and all congress-critters who refuse to End the Fed
Eliminate the State Department / enables Senators to do the job they were elected & paid to do.

and yes, i have more but i said top 5 ... anyone willing to start the thread and see where it goes?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Honor93
 


Some evidence of all those connections would be good. I keep hearing about who owns the FEd and people provide very little evidence. I am interested in the connections and proof of them.

if ok by you, i'll send such to your u2u ... i've seen several posts about it here that disappeared before one page worth of comments.

not saying anything nefarious is going on ... they'll allow what they allow but i've been in the middle of typing a response when the page gets 404'd.
won't be tonight ... i don't have that info saved but we all can get it ... just have to know where and how to ask for it


i can post this though ... an example of their typical bait and switch tactics
remember, the FR doesn't have money, it PRINTS money and every dollar printed devalues currently circulating paper / money? / instruments (their word)

Reserve Primary sold $19.4 billion in holdings while it was being liquidated. JPMorgan’s $132.3 billion Prime Money Market Fund, the largest money-market mutual fund, sold the next highest amount at $15.6 billion. Funds provided by Bank of New York Mellon Corp. under the Dreyfus brand were the third-largest family of users, selling $16.7 billion.
source

flowchart
alt source
from the flowchart, search the shareholders of the entity and the picture gets much clearer ... if i forget to send details direct (likely), please u2u a reminder



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Shamatt
 

and this is the attitude exemplified by so many > ... it works for me ... so what?

You know, I am well past 40 years now, and I can not be botherd with pesky spell checkers and the lark. I have spent my life typing and retyping and spell checking. And I realised that I can get my message accross perfectly well with the odd spelling error. So why should I? I acheive my goals. It is harder for me than for most, and I have to use all sorts of tricks to do this. It is a slow porcess but I get there. I am not goinng to add more time to the process when it adds nothing to my being understood.

i'm well beyond 40 also and i regularly use the spell-check as a courtesy to others.
guess that one got past you though, cause you do for you.
and no offense, but i sure do know alot of IT ppl and not one of them negates using the spell-check ... after all, it is burned into their reflexes just as the home keys are to a typist.
and, since i'm a dyslexic ... deciphering poorly written/spelled posts isn't my forte.
so, thanks for the consideration



You know what? This really bothers me. You claim to be dyslexic bu then you show such little compassion for the problems such a dissbility brings. Yeah I used my fair share of spellcheckers. I never submitted a single document with a single miss spelled word when I was in IT. That is called being professional.

This is my leasure time.

Spelling right is not a curtesy to others. Like I said - my message gets accross unhindered. The odd spelling error is no more than a small distraction, I am told.

You have the nerve to tell me posts are poorly written? Just because of a few spelling errors. You are soooo out of order - I am ducking dyslexic! I left school I could not read or write. Don't diss me about this, that is just so wrong. You are out of order. Would you tell someone in a wheelchair that they are not trying hard wnough to walk? No, because you see there dissability. You can't see mine. Does not mean I don't have one. It appears I handle it a lot better than you do.

How about discovering what the shift key does on your keyboard. Putting capitols at the start of a sentance helps me to read what you write - don't see you considering me at all - hipocrite!


Originally posted by Honor93

so, if business shouldn't do it for profit, they what?



I just do not understand what on earth this poorly written, nonsensicle sentence is supposed to convey.


Originally posted by Honor93

and, since you stated ...

that government should do what is best for the people, not what is best for themselves
would be why i "lectured" you ... cause that quoted statement is both vague and incorrect.



Neither vague nor incorrect. Government of the people, for the people. The people ARE the country, you are talking nonsence.


Originally posted by Honor93

as for your comment, "change is coming" ... i agree but i doubt it'll reflect what you perceive.

thank you for your offer but i hold no faith in something so personal being conducted over the internet. besides, everyone i've paid for a reading, never got more than 1/2 way and then refunded my money. i wouldn't want to scare you too



I have done many readings using u2u or mail. And don't worry - you could never scare me. I have been arround a bit. And I have never charged for a reading.

I think you need to check your compassion. You seem to have none. Or empathhy for that matter. To tell me in your poorly written, non capitolised, non logical and badly structured sentances that MY posts are poorly written - you just take the piss.

I can not beleive that as a dyslexic you would come down on my spelling, when you can't even structure a sentance. I could use a spell checker if I wanted, if only they made a sentance checker, huh?

I will be at the Occupy Melbourne gathering as of this weekend. I will support my brothers and sisters in the fight against the 1%. When the world comes together in outrage change is the only possible outcome. I doubt you will lift a finger to help the fight, but you sure will enjoy the fruits of it, I'll bet on that.

What bugs me the most is that I was trying to be friendly - to extend an olive branch if you will - at the end of my last post, and you repond like this? You should be ashamed of yourself. Very ashamed.


(for the reccord, it took me an hour to reply. I have to mentally structure my sentances. Then I write them down - sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. Then I read them back and correct the errors. Then I read back each paragraph and make corrections. Then I read the whole post and correct errors. What remains I post. No one else works as hard to write a thread. Perhaps now you will understand why I am so upset?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
reply to post by gncnew
 


I graduated the same year as you. I too worked my ass off from the age of 16. I am now 34, and I have been out of work for almost a year. Why? No, not because I'm a lazy ass who feels I make more off of unemployment. To the contrary. I can barely survive. I get $360 a week unemployment, of which 50% is being taken for child support. That is a whole different story. Put it this way, my son is with me 5 days a week and I love it. So why am I paying my cheating ex-wife child support? Welcome to NY.

Anyway. Since I lost my job, the day before Thanksgiving 2010, I have done everything possible to find a job. I am told, I am over-qualified, too old, or the typical excuse that they have "too many applicants". My field is computer programing and I've done that for 16 years. Its safe to say that this field is over saturated right now. Everyone who went to college during the dot.com boom is pretty much in the same spot as me. That and I frankly can't compete with the overseas market. On a job I would normally bill out $5k for, someone in India is billing out at $500.

So from there I have tried everywhere else. Waldbaums and King Kullen (super markets in NY), McDonalds, Blockbuster, Radio Shack. You name it. I just can't compete with high school kids, illegal immigrants and everyone else out of a job. So its not "my" fault. I'm not lazy and not applying myself. And I'm sure that is the fact with a ton of other people.

Now yes there are people out there who milk the system. Why work when your getting free money? But just please understand its not everyone. I know you as a Marine busted your ass. Others do too. I'm just asking you not to get this opinion that everyone on unemployment or even food stamps are lazy crap who aren't willing to even look for work.

So that is where "I" fit in with the OWS protest. I'm going down there next week. Why? Because I think the entire movement is important. My personal reason is i'm sick of this country coddling corporations. They let them get away with everything. They make $250 million a quarter in profits yet somehow don't pay a dime in taxes? They offshore all of their work. They hire illegal immigrants to do the jobs "american's dont want". Believe me there are plenty of Americans who want those jobs. I'm also pissed off at this countries policies towards business in general. Corporations skate away offshore because they too are sick of it. And they can do that. But the mom & pop stores, or the kid out of highschool who has a good idea and wants to start a business, they are screwed. The business laws on book in this country are insane. You have to jump through so much red tape, most if not all never make it off the ground. This country does not promote business on American soil. It almost seems as if they don't want it. And thats why you don't see any new commerce. The Walmarts, Targets, Exxon Mobils of the world have taken over. The Blockbusters have forced out the mom & pop video stores. Etc etc etc.

Right now we are NOT living in the American dream. We are living in the American nightmare and its time to wake up.



Mate, sorry to hear about your luck, here's all I've got to say:

1. No one said life was fair, sorry.
2. If you keep your kid 5 days of the week and still pay child support - you need to go back to court
3. Move OUT of NY... you can get a job
4. If you graduated the same year I did - who the hell is telling you "you're too old" for a job? You're not even 40.
5. Learn how to write Apps for the droid and iPhone - same skills, different language. You could be the next "Angry Birds" inventor... ?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Bla Bla Bla - lot's of rhetoric and boring stuf... bla bla bla...



This also explains why you once believed Palin would become the GOP lead candidate (LINK when it was beyond obvious that she only cares about one thing...MONEY! And kudos to her, she's doing great in that respect, finding a whole bunch of idiots who donate her money even though she's not even running. But at least she'll be able to dress up nicely for you guys, got money enough to buy those shiny new suits

edit on 7-10-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)


That video you put up... that's a paid troupe who is touting the Obama line... he says Solyndra isn't important... isn't that essentially what OWS is about?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini
 

Try getting you "facts" from other sources for a change and see what you have yet to learn!!!




Like the US CENSUS?

What is wrong with the census as a source?

edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)


Or are you referring to the first website that copy and pasted the story from AP?

You can't offer anything can you?
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Branch out and think. And BTW: the HuffingingtonPost isn't really an "objective" source. They've been feeding young mush-minds like you what you want to hear:

Precisely that it's not your fault your life sucks. My 14 year old is the same way. His room smells, but it's not his fault - couldn't be the piles of dirty laundry or empty soda cans laying around. He has no money to go out with is friends... couldn't be that he told his Grandfather "No Thanks" when offered $40 to mow the lawn... because it was "too hot".

Your situation is your fault, you are the only one to blame, and only you can change it. Obama has no magic "make life better" button in his office, and neither does anyone else.

Go get a job already, Christ's sake - the amount of time you've spent on here shows you can apply yourself if you desire to.

Maybe offer a local business to increase their SEO by writing posts about them on various forums... lots of money to be made doing that if you have the time (which you obviously do).


And a third dumb@ss steps up to the plate!

He swings . . . . and misses!

The article is cut and paste from Associated Press, I had to inform two other idiots, like yourself, already because they do not actually read the sources.

I can see why you barely graduated HS.






Really? I graduated HS in 1995... wasn't that long ago homie. I worked 3 jobs in HS so I could have gas money and date money.


1995 was 16 years ago . . . not that long ago, are you serious?

U. S. Economy Experiences "Soft Landing" in 1995; Look for More of the Same in 1996

J. Robert Gillette
Associate Professor of Economics, University of Kentucky
cber.uky.edu...



In 1995 the United States economy moved well into its fifth year of economic expansion since the last recession ending March 1991 and experienced the much publicized "soft landing." The Federal Reserve (Fed) engineered this "soft landing" with a series of interest rate hikes from February 1994 to February 1995. The "soft landing" refers to the slowing down of an overheating economy on the verge of driving up inflation, to an economy growing near its full-employment growth rate with low inflation. The delicate balance of slowing the economy without also causing a recession (a "hard landing") appeared in jeopardy in the second quarter of 1995 when the economy stumbled, and many wondered whether the Fed had over-tightened monetary policy.

Along with explaining where the U. S. economy has been in 1995, and where it will likely be in 1996, I first review the 1994 economy. The booming 1994 economy, along with the Fed’s 1994 preemptive strike against inflation, set the stage for understanding the economy in 1995.


Looks like there was a 5.5% unemployment rate back then . . . they even mention the BOOMING economy of the years prior.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
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Like I said - you're so busy making excuses for your FAIL that you can't overcome your FAIL. Just another product of Generation FAIL.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by Cinaed
 


No, you are quite wrong.

Why not move on to reality where people are out protesting because there are no job opportunities for them?


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So now they're protesting for job opportunities?

That's it! I declare shenanigans on you... you've completely gone mad.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini
 
Then why not explain it to us? You have badgered me about my back ground and exactly my level of grunt labor and assorted other things and I have answered honestly

So, do tell....what IS your story? So far all I hear is snide remarks and attacks on anyone that offers ways you could improve your current situation....

We are all ears

GO ahead, stop telling us about what you can't or won't do and tell us what you HAVE DONE


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It was NEVER about me in the first place. How do you not get this by now?

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It's always been about you Gem, it's all about poor pitiful you, and how bad things have been for you and how hard things are for you...

It's all about you - always will be - that's why you're experiencing FAIL.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Solyndra was a loss, but it was a TINY amount given the total loan packages handed out. Anyone investing knows things can go wrong, and so far Solyndra is the only loss out of a multi-billion package to stimulate the economy. To put it into perspective, they set aside $2.4b to cover losses BEFORE even handing out loans. It's already been taken into consideration for their return calculations!!!

To put it into perspective, they estimate over $60b (yes, BILLIONS) were lost due to fraudulent contracting in Afghanistan alone.

If you invest money, in currencies for example, you KNOW that losses will happen...no investor has a 100% success rate. So people complaining about a demonstrably small amount compared to the overall stimulus simply highlight how little they know about investing


As for the video, the interviewee makes a ton of VERY good points...which Fox obviously edited out on purpose. Not surprising though, while the rest of the media outlets are also bad, Fox is the king of disinformation

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posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93
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But all the top shots at the federal reserve are sock puppets of the major Wall Street companies!!! They don't act independently, they are sock puppets.

To prove my point: Goldman's recent reports stipulate that they WANT QE3, which would be a disaster for the US$. If you listened to Bernake's latest speech, you realize that QE3 WILL happen, they will pull through with it, even though the previous ones haven't helped anyone but the big corporations on Wall Street...help them to cover up how much they screw up and cost the tax payer money.

and the part you're ignoring is that Goldman Sachs is one of the current owners and one of the founding families of the FR ... is this news to you?
along with, JP Morgan and Citibank (and all their subsidiaries that skim off the top), Rockefeller, Rothschild ... they're all owners of the FR ... not the govt, not the citizens and certainly not wall street.
and, Soros is tied to most of them, directly. need more ???


I said Wall Street (aka Goldman, etc) are the owners of the Fed, so not sure what your point is? They're the puppet masters, which is EXACTLY the problem. Glad you agree with the OWS protestors though



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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I see the liberals turning that park into Sodom & Gomorrah.

They are paid pawns for George Soros.

The whole world sees the truth. They are a disgrace.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by gncnew
 


I see the liberals turning that park into Sodom & Gomorrah.

They are paid pawns for George Soros.

The whole world sees the truth. They are a disgrace.


How exactly are they turning it into S&G?


Don't say because there's rubbish, because according to that, we also had to outlaw openair concerts and every single other mass gathering of people. Maybe we can get the cops to ensure there's never more than 5 people together? Perfect plan, right?

The fact remains, Wall Street is controlling the government, and they screwed up the economy in a way that cost MILLIONS their jobs and livelihoods...so protesting is definitely justified.



posted on Oct, 15 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Obama screwed up the economy when he threw a wet blanket over free market capitalism.

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When the GOP moves into the White House and takes over the U.S. Senate you will
see the unemployment fall to 4%.

It turns out socialism doesn't work.



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