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This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Great that this movement is gaining momentum...about time people wake up from their media brainwashing and realize that in the end, the entire government is now working for big business instead of the people.




posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by JustXeno
To the op, I read most of what you said until I got to this bit copied and pasted from your post. "The Federal Reserve is a governmental institution" stopped reading after that.


Look - here's the deal. While by technicality it's not a governmental institution - in practicality it is. Rather than go into the semantics of the relationship between the Fed and the Gov, it's easier to simply state the reality of the situation than get into the technical minutia of it.

The Fed has become an active appendage of the Gov.


...and the government is an appendage of...wait for it...waaaaaaait for it...WALL STREET!!!!

But who cares about facts, right?


See here is where I completely disagree. Wall Street is an investment center of commerce. The lobbyist that are currently choking the government are not representing investment firms or the stock exchange. They're primarily representing banks, insurance firms, defense contractors and the like.

The rich guys at Wall Street get rich by investing your money for you.

The Fed is an appendage of the government, the government is an appendage of the defense and insurance industry, which is an appendage of the banks, which are an appendage of the Fed....

self-licking ice cream cone.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by marzabeth
reply to post by AzureSky
 


They could find jobs if they weren't picky. Not one of them is willing to start at an entry level job then work themselves up through the ranks. Crying about how minimum wage isn't a living wage well it never was...when I was just starting out we worked two or three jobs, had room mates, lived off top ramen until we worked our way to the top.


Prove that not a single unemployed person is unwilling to start at an entry level job.

There are not anywhere near enough minimum wage jobs for everyone. Around here there are thousands of applicants per job opening, even at McDonalds.


Sweetie, you don't have to prove it - think about the logic. I get laid off from a $60k/year job, my unemployment benefits pay me more than an entry level job. What is the motivation for me to taken an entry level job (or 3) if I can stay unemployed and make more money?



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by marzabeth
reply to post by AzureSky
 


They could find jobs if they weren't picky. Not one of them is willing to start at an entry level job then work themselves up through the ranks. Crying about how minimum wage isn't a living wage well it never was...when I was just starting out we worked two or three jobs, had room mates, lived off top ramen until we worked our way to the top.


Prove that not a single unemployed person is unwilling to start at an entry level job.

There are not anywhere near enough minimum wage jobs for everyone. Around here there are thousands of applicants per job opening, even at McDonalds.


Why bother continuing with these folks?

All they will say is you are lazy . . . .

Where there is a will there is a way . . .

Back in my day . . . (back in your day was NOTHING like today, welcome back to reality)


Really? I graduated HS in 1995... wasn't that long ago homie. I worked 3 jobs in HS so I could have gas money and date money. I worked a second job during my first 3 years in the Marines because $15k/year isn't enough to support a wife and kid.

That meant I was in bed at midnight and up at 5 to run with my platoon... wasn't fun - but you do what you have to do.

I'm telling you, strait up, man-to-man, you're not giving your all. You're not giving anywhere near 100%. You're quitting instead of fighting.

Stand up and remember your birthright as an American: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness! (Note: I said "Pursuit", not "Entitlement").

Now get pursuing!



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Cinaed
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Try getting you "facts" from other sources for a change and see what you have yet to learn!!!




Like the US CENSUS?

What is wrong with the census as a source?

edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)


Or are you referring to the first website that copy and pasted the story from AP?

You can't offer anything can you?
edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Branch out and think. And BTW: the HuffingingtonPost isn't really an "objective" source. They've been feeding young mush-minds like you what you want to hear:

Precisely that it's not your fault your life sucks. My 14 year old is the same way. His room smells, but it's not his fault - couldn't be the piles of dirty laundry or empty soda cans laying around. He has no money to go out with is friends... couldn't be that he told his Grandfather "No Thanks" when offered $40 to mow the lawn... because it was "too hot".

Your situation is your fault, you are the only one to blame, and only you can change it. Obama has no magic "make life better" button in his office, and neither does anyone else.

Go get a job already, Christ's sake - the amount of time you've spent on here shows you can apply yourself if you desire to.

Maybe offer a local business to increase their SEO by writing posts about them on various forums... lots of money to be made doing that if you have the time (which you obviously do).



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini
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A waitresses salary in California is way way higher than here in Arizona.

4.25 is minimum wage for serving then add tips. And only part time.

LOL You live in California, that in itself means everyone is complaining 24/7 in the first place.

I knew you had no facts to back up your BS.

And you can thank those "whiney" little bitches for your high minimum wage in addition to your tips.

HAHAHAHA


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And the cost of living is much less in Arizona d-bag... why do you think the jobs pay less.

You're acting your age again.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
Great that this movement is gaining momentum...about time people wake up from their media brainwashing and realize that in the end, the entire government is now working for big business instead of the people.


This is the whole movement:

The most revealing clip: If a CEO came down here and offered you a job, would you take it?




Summary: Occupy Wall Street = Pawns on Parade
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by BruceEFury

Originally posted by RandomThought
You guys obviously don't know what occupy wallstreet is all about. You think its all children then you are just plain and simple being ignorant. I'm not going to sit here and explain what its all about, its all over the web and easy to obtain information.

You think people are doing this because they don't want to work? are you kidding me?



You have 2 more stars then the OP. And that makes me happy.
My work here is done... Wallstreet Protesters obviously have a purpose
many purposes and many problems that people want to deal with.
Do your research OP and any one who agree's with him.. ffs...
edit on 6-10-2011 by BruceEFury because: Sorryhad toaddmore


I never said that I thought OWS was by people who "didn't want to work". I said it's underemployed people who have nothing better to do.

I don't respond to comments like the one you starred because it's ambiguous retoric. There is no substance to your statement or theirs other than "do some research, they're chaging the planet man!".

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO RESEARCH WHAT YOU ARE PROTESTING... it should be self-evident by your protest.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus
To the OP,
This thread reeks ignorance. Its clearly obvious why the masses are protesting. The system is broken, wall sreet rips off the people by sending lobbyists into the government to make sure they come 1st. The US is owned by wall street and the 1% croonies.

What we are seeing is a massive awakening and it is great that this is happening. Now excuse me as i gather up some friends to go stand in front of the federal reserve building.


You made me laugh! Good job by you.

You can't protest "the system because it's broken". You can protest specific tangible things that can be changed, but not ideals in the ether that are more feelings than things.

The whole thing is (stealing a phrase from someone here) communal masturbatory liberalism.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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I graduated the same year as you. I too worked my ass off from the age of 16. I am now 34, and I have been out of work for almost a year. Why? No, not because I'm a lazy ass who feels I make more off of unemployment. To the contrary. I can barely survive. I get $360 a week unemployment, of which 50% is being taken for child support. That is a whole different story. Put it this way, my son is with me 5 days a week and I love it. So why am I paying my cheating ex-wife child support? Welcome to NY.

Anyway. Since I lost my job, the day before Thanksgiving 2010, I have done everything possible to find a job. I am told, I am over-qualified, too old, or the typical excuse that they have "too many applicants". My field is computer programing and I've done that for 16 years. Its safe to say that this field is over saturated right now. Everyone who went to college during the dot.com boom is pretty much in the same spot as me. That and I frankly can't compete with the overseas market. On a job I would normally bill out $5k for, someone in India is billing out at $500.

So from there I have tried everywhere else. Waldbaums and King Kullen (super markets in NY), McDonalds, Blockbuster, Radio Shack. You name it. I just can't compete with high school kids, illegal immigrants and everyone else out of a job. So its not "my" fault. I'm not lazy and not applying myself. And I'm sure that is the fact with a ton of other people.

Now yes there are people out there who milk the system. Why work when your getting free money? But just please understand its not everyone. I know you as a Marine busted your ass. Others do too. I'm just asking you not to get this opinion that everyone on unemployment or even food stamps are lazy crap who aren't willing to even look for work.

So that is where "I" fit in with the OWS protest. I'm going down there next week. Why? Because I think the entire movement is important. My personal reason is i'm sick of this country coddling corporations. They let them get away with everything. They make $250 million a quarter in profits yet somehow don't pay a dime in taxes? They offshore all of their work. They hire illegal immigrants to do the jobs "american's dont want". Believe me there are plenty of Americans who want those jobs. I'm also pissed off at this countries policies towards business in general. Corporations skate away offshore because they too are sick of it. And they can do that. But the mom & pop stores, or the kid out of highschool who has a good idea and wants to start a business, they are screwed. The business laws on book in this country are insane. You have to jump through so much red tape, most if not all never make it off the ground. This country does not promote business on American soil. It almost seems as if they don't want it. And thats why you don't see any new commerce. The Walmarts, Targets, Exxon Mobils of the world have taken over. The Blockbusters have forced out the mom & pop video stores. Etc etc etc.

Right now we are NOT living in the American dream. We are living in the American nightmare and its time to wake up.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by marzabeth
reply to post by AzureSky
 


They could find jobs if they weren't picky. Not one of them is willing to start at an entry level job then work themselves up through the ranks. Crying about how minimum wage isn't a living wage well it never was...when I was just starting out we worked two or three jobs, had room mates, lived off top ramen until we worked our way to the top.


Prove that not a single unemployed person is unwilling to start at an entry level job.

There are not anywhere near enough minimum wage jobs for everyone. Around here there are thousands of applicants per job opening, even at McDonalds.


Sweetie, you don't have to prove it - think about the logic. I get laid off from a $60k/year job, my unemployment benefits pay me more than an entry level job. What is the motivation for me to taken an entry level job (or 3) if I can stay unemployed and make more money?


Many, if not most, of the unemployed are not on unemployment benefits. Marzabeth claimed that not one of the unemployed would take an entry level job.

Around here we have thousands of applicants per job opening, and almost all pay either minimum wage or close to it.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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So O'Reilly says the protestors claim the current economic system is corrupt...which is the TRUTH!!

Let's see what else they want...not easy to figure out if Fox "News" plays random film clips in between interviews


- Bring attention to the persuasive influence corporations have on politics (compared to regular citizens)
- They claim the government does a lot of things that aren't good..
- Replace the current corrupt economic system with a more democratic, just system
- Less greed (which is what got us into this mess in the first place)
- More jobs (instead of allowing jobs to be shipped off shore)
- Taxing the rich less arguing it will boost job growth is a fallacy
- Disappointed with pretty much all elected officials, including Obama
- Against the wars

And you're against all of this why??


It's a total no brainer to admit that since "corporations are people" have a massive influence on politics through lobbyists, the balance of power is skewed towards a select few, and it doesn't really matter what the majority wants. That's especially true given the amount of corruption...

The government DEMONSTRABLY does things that aren't good...it's the one thing all parties agree on...but I guess you somehow can't since you disagree with the protestors


More democracy and justice instead of corruption. Sounds horrible, right?


Less greed! Ultimately, it was greed that caused the crisis, greed that made companies take ridiculous risks...and that's especially true on Wall Street.

More jobs, no more shipping jobs off shore, no more tax breaks for things that don't create jobs...total no brainer, but whatever...

No more tax breaks for the rich! Some argue those tax breaks create jobs, but they really don't. Since the introduction of the latest tax breaks of that kind, unemployment actually GREW. But again, who cares about facts if he can just as well get his opinion force-fed from a man who believes we can't explain the tides


Complete disappointment with all elected officials. Given how horrible the 8 Bush years were, and how ineffective Obama handles the situation, how the hell could you argue with this???

And they're against the war, which also is a no brainer given how much they cost the tax payer during a time when they really can't afford it!

Can't blame you though for not realizing how wrong you are if you get your "news" from people like O'Reilly and Fox "News"...their reporting is beyond disingenuous, and they're proven liars.



This also explains why you once believed Palin would become the GOP lead candidate (LINK when it was beyond obvious that she only cares about one thing...MONEY! And kudos to her, she's doing great in that respect, finding a whole bunch of idiots who donate her money even though she's not even running. But at least she'll be able to dress up nicely for you guys, got money enough to buy those shiny new suits

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by Shamatt

Originally posted by Honor93
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Personally, I can't wait for the revolution. What happens after that I'm happy to wait and see.

wow

they know naught for what they wish.
you are free to wander in the abyss ... please don't drag the rest of us with you.


Don't tar all of them with my vague outlook on life. I am sure they have better plans, I was voicing MY opinion. Feel free to dump on me for it, but remember I don't represent them.

you represent everyone who shares your opinion and sadly, there are quite a few.
and that statement stands, with a minor adjustment ...
YOU nor they know naught for what they wish.
better?




Not better - I would not presume to know what they are thinking. I'll admit to representing everyone who thinks like me, but that would be a list of 1.

Like it or not, there are hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who are perpairing to join them. There are people out there cleverer than you or I who have a much better idea of what is going on than either of us. You will soon find yourself in a minority. Agree or not, this is real life and it is happening right now in forn of your eyes. History is being made, and youu can choose to go with it or not. Up to you. Perhaps nothing will come of this. Perhaps it will be our downfall, perhaps the making of us. WE DON'T KNOW. And I for one do not believe anyone who says that they do know.

In my last job we built a kiln for a brick factory. When we started I had no idea what a kiln looked like or how to build one, but the people arround me did. They had plans. We worked together as a team, each one of us doing what we were good at, and soon enough we had a brick kiln. How cool was that?

We are at our best when we collaborate. Our strength is in numbers. Join the protests and make some real change. I do not beleive in "better the devil you know" - we have been here alread! Oust the 'devil you know'. If your hand offends you, cut it off. Someone said that



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
I get $360 a week unemployment

That's about what I take home a week, and I have one of the higher paying jobs in this area, if you don't to be near the rich. It's no wonder I talk to unemployed people who won't take a job that's "beneath them". They're doing just fine not working
. I'm betting those are the same people who call me crazy for being a socialist.

To be fair, the cost of living is nice in Oklahoma. Y'all should come visit. There are jobs everywhere. I know it's no problem to move for a lot of you. I hear about you guys jumping through hoops, slaving, and wasting your one and only shot at consciousness for The Man. You're used to struggle and pain.
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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I agree, there are also many people in the USA that see this movement as a devil we know well.....that is why we oppose it...

I keep hoping the sincere protestors realize what the agenda of the powers behind the scenes of the protest have in mind



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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I agree, there are also many people in the USA that see this movement as a devil we know well.....that is why we oppose it...

I keep hoping the sincere protestors realize what the agenda of the powers behind the scenes of the protest have in mind


All they need to achieve is raise awareness regarding the issue of corporate and political corruption...and they're doing a pretty good job at it so far. That protest is perfect, if they just protested congress or the white house, it would be useless...because those politicians (no matter which party) are all bought by big business. By DIRECTLY protesting those buying politicians, they are kinda forcing politicians to do something about it eventually...which is much needed given the corrupt influence corporations (especially from Wall Street) have on politics.

They just need to be careful not to become like the Tea Party, aka sock puppets of the Koch brothers



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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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If you watch the whole video it is clear they are just a bunch of socialists who want to
get rid of the big bad capitalism.
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Take all of the money from the rich and then "spread the wealth".

After 1 year all the money would be gone. The rich would all move to Costa Rica or
the Fiji Islands. Then the whole dream scenario would turn into a large nightmare.


It's a George Soros pawns on parade. Open your eyes.

George Soros has done this same thing in 5 other nations.
I think George Soros is an inch away from being labeled an - Enemy of the State-.
His mob is very close to - domestic terrorism -.

This - exercise - is taking place to distract attention away from Fast & Furious
GunrunnerGate and Solyndra scandals.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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I'm not saying they need to just protest the gov. I am saying if they want to get to the real heart of the matter they need to protest the Federal Government and the FEDERAL RESERVE....

Wall Street does not set interest rates or create inflation or devalue the USD.... the FED does those things. If you want to change Wall Street.....go to the true controllers of interest rates, inflation and devalue of the dollar AND the ones that made what is happening in Wall Street legal...

There was a day what has happened was illegal! Someone changed that. Wall Street didn't the gov and the FED did.

Audit the FED and much more would be revealed... Return to the foundation of the founding of this nation and such politicians would go to jail....

Wallstreet is a by product of the REAL problems



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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EXACTLY!!! Not to mention if you take from the rich and *fairly redistribute* who decides how it it redistributed?? WHO decides what is *fair*?????????

What is the protestors answer to that????

More irony... Sorros is the biggest Capitalist of all ...... and he thinks people such as the protestors are too stupid to decide things for themselves and need others to do it for them!

OWS has the right Church, wrong pew....



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Sadly and unbeknownst to most of them they are already sock puppets of George Sorros and his ilk



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