This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

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posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
The unemployment rate is currently around 9.1% in the USA.
They cannot FIND JOBS
That is why they are jobless, its not a lazy thing, its not an entitled thing, its fact. Those are just the people who cant find jobs, that does not include the people who do have jobs that are struggling to get by on minimum wage and no health benefits and no future. The key is to stop thinking in your own little bubble and start thinking for the collective good of humanity. Its really not that hard.

Yet I'd be willing to be that the majority of those protesting are just fine with illegal aliens who have come in and driven down construction jobs from $20/hr to $6/hr, as well as meat packing jobs, and countless other jobs.


Originally posted by AzureSky
I am perfectly fine with someone making 200k or 500k in a year. Thats all good. People have worked themselves up and made money, yes, they deserve that paycheque. Like a doctor per sae. But its not about them, its like a pyramid. doctors a wealthy, then theres rich, then super rich at the very top, who rake in billions of dollars in profit and invest it into their own interests in other countries. Haliburton anyone? They are a global disease and are cause for most of the poverty on this planet.

Haliburton has popped up here in Colorado a LOT in the past couple years. There is a lot of drilling for natural gas. The people they employ make, on average, about $70k per year. Not a "bad" wage, and much better than minimum wage "shovel ready jobs".


Originally posted by AzureSky
Hey lets move into this country, give them loans and when they can't pay them back due to the corrupt officials in government, the economy will stagnate and they can pay back the loans by letting us move onto their land, build an oil refinery, protect it with private security. And let the country die.

Personally, I'd be for a massive tariff on anything produced outside the U.S. I think that's the only answer. Unless the corporations have to pay to bring it here, they'll continue to exploit other 3rd world countries. End NAFTA, GAT, CAFTA, etc.




posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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You are so right!

Alot of people that want 15 minutes of fame!



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew
The reason the cops are called out is because downtown NY is pretty much THE busiest place on the planet. If the protests are blocking traffic - both vehicular and pedestrian - then effective operation of the city itself stops.


Would you not agree that the entire way this country is operated needs to be stopped, rewritten and reinstated?



While I may or may not empathize with the protestor's agenda, this is just a blitz to try and gain as much media attention as possible.


Or, a lot of people unhappy with the way things are running.



What exactly are you even protesting? There seems to be no consistant agenda or actual action the protests would like. It's ideologues and/or board youth that have no jobs just "protesting" Wall Street?


Although I'm having trouble comprehending what exactly your point is here, in this sentence, I'd assume as previously stated. There needs to be change. Evolution. Movement towards a new society.



WTF is that exactly? What is the point? "We want rich people to know we're not going to take it anymore"?


Go ahead and fast forward to 3:00.



Those guys look really bothered by the economy, don't they? Mean while some of us can barely afford food. Is this not enough reason to protest, become active in displaying your feelings? Or have people drank to much fluoridated water, watched to much dancing with the stars, to even care what their future holds? Will people simply sit around until they no longer control their lives, their wants, their happiness? Until everything is just simply forced upon them?

I'd like to think not.




What about the poor single mom who's a receptionist for Mr. Wall Street but can't get to work because you're blocking the streets?


The poor single mom shouldn't be poor should she? Or is that just the way the world works? Is there technology, science, medicine and information that could change the planet for the better? Or is it just as it seems, a endless cycle of pain, suffering, and dramas and movies which all speculate and revolve themselves around the negativity of our lives, there must be something negative for us to be entertained.



Better yet, why isn't this happening in Washington DC? Why not march on the White House? They're the ones that "bailed out Wall Street" after all? They took your money and gave it to the "rich" people...


It's gearing that way.



I'm also sick of hearing whiny girly men and chicks screaming like they're being skinned alive every time a cop gets near them with their iPhone camera rolling.

"Occupy Wall Street" = "Board Attention Whores" looking for YouTube hits.


Who's the girly one, the one who sits behind their computer talking trash, or the one who actually stands up against the face of the machine?




posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Point well taken. Indeed, for those of us who do know the why makes the reason for the protest obvious. I think that is why I have overlooked the fact that some people have no idea hense making the protest a big enigma. And for that I do apologize. I do agree that they should make the point of the protest loud and clear. That being said, the MSM doesn't really let on as to why people are protesting either. And I doubt they will let people who want to explain speak to the camera to clarify the situation. Only now after two weeks we are starting to see things come out on the MSM. I figure that's step in the right direction.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Warning NSFW and Not safe for children i suppose.

George Carlin on How screwed we are.




posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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He who receives the benefit should also bear the disadvantage


There is plenty to be angry over, and there is more than enough to protest.

For example:

Drug Laws

People do not need permission, nor approval, to buy, sell, or use any drug they see fit. This is simple freedom at its most fundamental level. But people go out of their way to get jobs in law enforcement thinking that they are going to make a difference harassing people. Which is what the drug laws were intended for in the first place.

Socialism

Any time a person is forced to give up a portion of their paycheck for public services we are practicing socialism. The funny thing is the fact that, the poor who rely on things like food stamps and welfare would be better off without them. If we did not have Federal Income Taxes in the first place, people would not be reliant on the government for the things they need. Nor would the rest of society continue complaining about the money that comes out of their paychecks to fund welfare.

The only reason we have things like welfare and food stamps is to keep people reliant on government.

Not to mention the fact that Police Officers are paid by the tax dollars I pay to my State and local government. So not only do I disagree with their entire existence, but to add insult to injury, my money is taken to pay them. Its nothing more than absurd B.S.

The Federal Reserve

There is a plethora of research available regarding the shady practices of fractional-reserve banking, not to mention all of the warning our forefathers left us regarding leaving the power to print money to a private bank. As long as any institution like the Federal Reserve exists, people have something to protest.

Rights vs. Privileges

The idea that we have to be "licensed" to practice activities that are supposed to be our "right" is utterly retarded. If I buy a car, that car becomes my property, I don't need permission to use it because "all rights derive from property." But for whatever ridiculous reason, people think you do need permission to drive a car, and you have to get a license to prove that you have permission.

Or the fact that you need a "permit" to carry a concealed weapon, and many States won't even allow you to open carry. Not realizing that we have the RIGHT to bear arms and don't need a permit or permission to do either.

Or how about when you buy a home in a suburban area? For some reason your neighbors feel they have the authority to tell you what you can and cannot do, on your own property. For instance, if I refused to mow my lawn my neighbors would alert the Homeowner's Association in my area, and I would be fined for breaking zoning laws and codes. We have forgotten what it means to be a property owner. And god forbid if I shoot someone breaking into my home.

Or what about having kids? People actually believe its O.k. to have a social worker take your kids away if you are doing something, or not doing something, that they disagree or agree with.

NONE of this bs would have happened before the civil war. If someone told you to mow your grass or you will be fined, back then they would have just wound up eating the projectile of a six shooter.

There is plenty to be angry about.

Edit to Add:

I completely forgot about forced car insurance. Our forefathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew companies would figure out a way to make it illegal not to buy their services.

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Now that I think about it, I should invest money in stocks from various car insurance companies. I wouldn't have to worry about them going under, they have the force of law behind them pushing their customers to keep them in business.

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posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by lbndhr

Gawd the ignorance of some people. Some of We the People protest is about greedy elites, but it goes much deeper. Are you that blinded by your party? We are tired of them spending our money and the few who still have work are worked to death, we are tired of not working, we are tired of government stimulus to the elites, which is comming from the poor, ya the poor are further lining your pockets dammit. We are tired of agenda 21, tired of police britality, tired of total govenrmetn control. If ya actually listened to We the People you would nto had made this thread. Instead of giving money all over the glo be how about giving it here in the usa to those of us who actually worked for it?? im wrong for wanting my money to stay in america, for the common people? no Im not wrong. They are wrong. this protest is much more wider in reasoning then the you`s coudl even begin to concieve. we are tired of the you`s/top 1%. we 99% definately out number the top we dont work they dont get payed, period. sad? Im happy this finally is unfolding...go america,


First things first, your grammar and spelling are absolutely atrocious. I went to a public school, but this is a testament to the absolute decline of the American Educational system (funny, that's run by the government as well).

Second: Who's money are the Wall Street people spending exactly? They are investing your money you freely give them in your 401k contributions (oh, and the government mandated "matching" funds of your employer).

If you have a problem with your money going over seas, I'd suggest you move this "protest" over to Washington DC - where the actual injustices are being preformed. The folks on Wall Street are actually working for a living.

And as a side note, if you're sitting on your DAMN iPhone tweeting about this horrors of police brutality - you must not be "worked to death"...

Quit attacking the ONLY source of employment left in this country and turn your focus on the actual source of the problem. Once upon a time America shared the belief that we all had an equal opportunity for success. We knew that some would win and some would lose - but you'd win or lose of your own accord.

But thanks to the desire and pursuit of power in Washington, a generation has grown up thinking that success is an entitlement and we all are supposed to "share the sacrifice". This IS NOT TRUE and it's not what America was founded on or stands for.

Your job is not to carry my dead weight, and my job is not to carry yours. Your job is to take care of yourself and make it happen. You may succeed or you may fail - but THAT is no anyone else's burden but your own.

The only people left in America that get this are the immigrants... well, the immigrants that realize citizenship is a privilege, not a right.

You are tired of far too many things that are directly under your own control... instead of looking outward, I'd suggest a nice healthy cup of introspection - google it.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by EspyderMan

You won't explain it because you can't, let's be realistic. Fact is this "movement" is all about rich vs poor. The poor are pissed at the rich for getting bailouts from the government and people are upset their governments are not transparent.

Do these marches express that to a layman? Nope not even close, most people I know who have not heard of this movement think the movement is a sad joke. Look outside your own realm and see what the window-peekers see, they see people being idiots not standing up for a firm belief.

I am not for the government bailing out rich people and taxing the poor more. I am not for any of that craziness, but I am also not siding with Anonymous half-assed messages either in the name of "Freedom".

Sure, shout freedom and how we don't have it (which we do) and watch the sheeple protest.


Well hells bells SpyderMan... you mayhaps could apply for leadership of this "movement"... you actually seem to have a grasp on what the hell it's all about.

You've nailed the point of my post EXACTLY. They are targeting "Wall Street" because it'll get a lot more attention for this ambiguous "cause" than would yet another Washington protest... besides, most of these folks voted for Obama... not good sportsmanship to boo your own team.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
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I think that media attention IS the point of all this. The people themselves don"t have the money to sway Washington like the Wall Street has. If the skeptics don't know what it's all about they should youtube news reports about Bank of America and Goldman Sachs to start. They will see what this is all about. People need to see the big picture and who Washington really is. Who makes the real dicisons. JFK warned of what is happening right now and look what happened to him. Just because you don't understand the situation doesn't mean you need to resort to name calling. Do a little research and educate yourself. I don't mean this as an insult, on the contrary, I would like to see people step out of their comfort zone and see the forest for the trees...give it a try, what do you have to loose?


Answer this one question though: If you're protest is against the government, why attack the private sector?

Wall Street is pretty much the only place left that's not specifically run by government. Good old Greed is alive and well there and it keeps out Uncle Sam's fingers pretty effectively. (Bail out recipients not withstanding of course).



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by lbndhr

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
S&F!!!!

Very good points, and I agree 100%. These people are nothing more than bored ACORN or CP kids who are too damn lazy to work hard for something, and want the "gubment" to give, give, give, so they can sit on their iPads and post tweets all day about meaningless dribble.


really? im 50, and I will be at the protest this weekend, and will stay until ???? we dont want a handout, we dont want to give the banks the corporations anymore stimulus money so they can turn around and charge us atm fees. we dont want to bail out the ones who arent creating new jobs,give another 2 solar eneergy our money to waist away AGAIN
the BUCK stops KNOW. greedy turds


So you are against the bailouts, but you're headed to the people who got them to complain, not the people who handed them out?

So if you're against child obesity, are you going to protest the fat kids or the McDonalds that fed them double cheeseburgers?



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Like I said in my post, educate yourself about the why and you will find all the answers you will need to find. Given that you look at the evidence with objectivity of course.

Have a good day.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
Dont take thinks at face value, its a lot deeper than it seems. They have an objective. There is so much wrong with the world. And it can all be solved.

take a look at this link right here : Link

Its a Income inequality in america chart graph.

Thats the problem right there. The resources these huge corporations bull form the economy is staggering. And it all goes to offshore places, to make even more money. Canada is in the same boat, not as bad, but we're smaller.

Do some research plz.


It's not the job of the masses to research why you are protesting. It's the job of the protesters to make it clear to the masses what they are protesting.

Also, the income disparity in America has more to do with the dying manufacturing industry than anything. But that's a WHOLE 'nother discussion.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky

The unemployment rate is currently around 9.1% in the USA.
They cannot FIND JOBS
That is why they are jobless, its not a lazy thing, its not an entitled thing, its fact. Those are just the people who cant find jobs, that does not include the people who do have jobs that are struggling to get by on minimum wage and no health benefits and no future.


My brother is currently unemployed. Lost his job about 8 months ago... guess what he just started doing to make ends meet: delivering pizzas.

Sorry, he doesn't have time to join this little collection of coffee shop heros on their camping trip in NYC - he's too busy making ends meet.

Pick up a paper in 99.9% of the cities in the US. Bet you'll find open jobs hiring. Here's the spooky part - you may *gasp* have to work more than one.

It was good enough for your grandparents, why are we suddenly so much better?



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Agreed, but the point of a protest is to draw attention to an issue (this one being greed) and this protest wouldn't have the same effect if these people were camping in a field in, say, the land of Oz.

I didn't say Oz, I said Washington DC, big media impact there. And they're protesting "Greed"? How cute is that. What's next - "Mean People"? How about something actually concrete and not quite so ambiguous.




People protesting because there bored? That's a new one. I believe they are protesting corporate greed. There protesting how america has been fracked from the bottom up due to greedy wall st and banksters, steering the country into financial meltdown not to mention lobbying the government so that they can receive billions in bailout money and pass laws that infringe upon constitutional rights. I think this protest is pretty straightforward from what ive gathered from across the pond.

Read above response... this is like protesting "bad intentions"... and yep, most of those people in the pictures look like they've got NOTHING better going on, hence the make-shift coffee shops with laptops everywhere.


Are you insinuating that there is a major flaw in that simple message and the way it is being carried out?

Yes, there is a major flaw. Rich people give out jobs... sorry, that's the way the world works. The real source of the problems is from our Government. Besides... what's rich? To people in the 3rd world, every single one of those misfits is "rich"... so should they all be shut down too?

Rich is relative.



The poor single mom is gonna have to suffer for the greater good. She is part of the 99% and will benefit in the long term should they succeed. Were not talking about the changes that will happen today, we are talking about changes to the social and political system that will shape the future - For the better. We might not benefit directly, but the next generation (god help them) might.

Who's greater good? Her kids? What if she can't make it to work, loses her job, and then they're homeless? Who's greater good? The 20 year old smart ass without a lick of life experience because now he can say "I was there man!" when he's 40?

Give me a break... the "greater good" is a socialistic theme that implies shared misery = common good. It's an illogical leap of faith that would rather see everyone suffer than only some succeed. Screw that.


No point starting at Washington, Its the financial mess thats fracked everything, so logic kinda states that you start at the deep end - Wall street. If you can take down an army of vampires then those ELECTED officials are going to listen to your demands much more closely. I dont think you quite understand that america is no longer run by people, it is ran by big business.


Where do you think the financial "mess" started. The Federal Reserve is a governmental institution. You can hate the players or hate the game...

Hating the players is easy but ineffective. Hating the game though... America is run by government. It's continuously eating up more and more of the GDP. We have no manufacturing jobs because of tax structures that make it impossible to produce goods in this country profitable.

Offshoring occurs because our regulations have made it impossible to produce ON SHORE. Ask Apple, they offshore.

But I guess they're not the "evil rich" because we like their fun trinkets and cool ads? Or because it's sexy to have a macbook?




Fair opinion i guess, though calling them whiny girl men seems a little off. People SHOULD be wary of authority when protesting, more then once has someone wearing a badge decided to take the law into their own hands.
And more than once has a ridiculous person with an iPhone tried to make themselves e-famous by videoing something and making it out to be more than it appears (cough cough "Don't Tase me Bro!")


And you making a thread like this i suppose is only adding fuel to the fire. Does that make you a "bored attention whore, looking for ATS star and Flags??"

I'm actually typing during my lunch hour - at work... on a forum for people to discuss things. Now, if I came out in front of your office building with 300 friends to protests "bad teeth" - and thus kept you out of your office all day long until I got some media time... then yep, I'd be an attention whore.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

My brother is currently unemployed. Lost his job about 8 months ago... guess what he just started doing to make ends meet: delivering pizzas.

Sorry, he doesn't have time to join this little collection of coffee shop heros on their camping trip in NYC - he's too busy making ends meet.



Just how that top 1% want it - To busy worrying about yourself then to actually stop and have an independent thought consisting of "What happened?"



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by b3l13v3

Who's the girly one, the one who sits behind their computer talking trash, or the one who actually stands up against the face of the machine?


ROFL... really? come on now man. What "machine" are they protesting against. Those are people just like you an me working at Wall Street.

Difference is - I went into the Marines out of high school, didn't finish my degree until I was 30 (did it online as I worked full time) and now make a nice average "middle class" income.

Those guys went to business school and probably graduate school. They then took some crappy paying job for the first 5 years until they were able to get a good offer somewhere else.

They probably have waited to have kids until they're 40, and are at least on their second marriage.

They made their choices, I made mine - but I don't now hate them because they make more money than I do... .that's just stupid.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
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Like I said in my post, educate yourself about the why and you will find all the answers you will need to find. Given that you look at the evidence with objectivity of course.

Have a good day.


As you've already conceded - it's not my job to research what they're protesting, it's their job to be clear about their message.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by gncnew

My brother is currently unemployed. Lost his job about 8 months ago... guess what he just started doing to make ends meet: delivering pizzas.

Sorry, he doesn't have time to join this little collection of coffee shop heros on their camping trip in NYC - he's too busy making ends meet.



Just how that top 1% want it - To busy worrying about yourself then to actually stop and have an independent thought consisting of "What happened?"


Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are top 1%. Both are self made men. The top 1% are not trying to keep you down - you're lack of ambition and devotion to your goals keeps you down.

I personally don't want to work 60 hour work weeks... therefore I do not make make twice my salary. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE.

Those guys making all the money have no life outside of that money. We all make our choices, but you can't begrudge the result of theirs because you chose differently.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by gncnew

My brother is currently unemployed. Lost his job about 8 months ago... guess what he just started doing to make ends meet: delivering pizzas.

Sorry, he doesn't have time to join this little collection of coffee shop heros on their camping trip in NYC - he's too busy making ends meet.



Just how that top 1% want it - To busy worrying about yourself then to actually stop and have an independent thought consisting of "What happened?"



This makes zero sense. What do you mean "What happened"?? People have ALWAYS had to work to provide for themselves and their families. A million years ago it was hunting and gathering. A thousand years ago it was farming and fishing. Today you have an unlimited amount of choices of how to provide. But you still have to WORK.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Its not WALL Street's problems, seriously, i cant believe people are that dumb.

They are acting "legaly". Its not their problems if every stupid Baby Boomers didn't care about political issue back in the days or never bothered looking because they were too spoiled to even take a look.

ITS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT if the bankers have so much benefits.
ITS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT if they are not taxed or penalised enough.
ITS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT if they accept brown envelopes or let big banks(holding) finance their campaign.
And since the people vote for the government.. well, you got it, its YOUR fault.

Think about it, Corporation can deal or trade as long as the government is ok with it, under their stupid laws.
Just like i can drive at 60mph on the highway.

I was supporting OWS 2 weeks ago but now that i know that most (probably 90%) of them don't have a freeking clue what they doing there, beside begging for money, i realised it was all staged a la FB

/eta. Oh btw if you haven't realise yet we are heading straight toward a global economic crissis maybe its time understand what FEAR can provoke on the market. Trust me, its no good news for the average Joe.
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