Freemasonry and The Courts in Canada

reply to post by mystifying


So, daddio, you state "my wife" and "my daughter" so where were you? You so distrust the masons (i.e. 'father-in-law') so why trust them to take care of your family?

Not understanding the hatred. Please explain.

reply to post by mystifying

I prefer Patton's quote of (paraphrased here) "if everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking at all".

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by daddio

 

The rest of it reads like a bad Dan Brown book.

There's a good one?

Just as a follow-up, it seems daddio is fetishising a Freeman of the Land-type aka a tax dodger who believes that incanting the right magic will cause the powers that be to cough up wondrous amounts of money. It's all very woo woo

Fitz

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Just as a follow-up, it seems daddio is fetishising a Freeman of the Land-type aka a tax dodger who believes that incanting the right magic will cause the powers that be to cough up wondrous amounts of money. It's all very woo woo

Fitz

Okay, I'll bite, so who exactly "created government" and WHO gave these legislators the RIGHT to steal private property?

Please expound on your statement that I may be a "tax dodger" andplease show me the "law" that gives THEM the authority over ME.

I am very interested to see what people come up with. Just so you know, I have read the federal code and Title 26 so I know all about the "IRS' and that it is a position and not an agency. There is only to be a "commissioner of the IRS" and not agents. It deals with COMMERCE ONLY and has no business interfering with the private "publics" lives.

I have also studied law. Real law as oppossed to legislation which is merely statutes, codes and ordinances which ARE NOT laws, merely regulation. The government MAY regulate commerce but it can never directly TAX the individual or his private property.

1906: Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43.
Defined the distinction between natural persons and corporations as it pertains to 5th Amendment protections within the U.S. Constitution. "...we are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the state. The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the state or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to criminate him. He owes no such duty to the state, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the state, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.

Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to [201 U.S. 43, 75] act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation.

There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and find out whether it has exceeded its powers. It would be a strange anomaly to hold that a state, having chartered a corporation to make use of certain franchises, could not, in the exercise of its sovereignty, inquire how these franchises had been employed, and whether they had been abused, and demand the production of the corporate books and papers for that purpose. The defense amounts to this: That an officer of a corporation which is charged with a criminal violation of the statute, may plead the criminality of such corporation as a refusal to produce its books. To state this proposition is to answer it. While an individual may lawfully refuse to answer incriminating questions unless protected by an immunity statute, it does not follow that a corporation, vested with special privileges and franchises, may refuse to show its hand when charged with an abuse of such privileges. "

Like so many people who are ignorant of their own existence and NEED a group of others to "find themselves" or to understand how the universe works, you show me your true colors. Maybe reading Thomas Paine's Common Sense and Rights of Man would enlighten you a bit? Maybe not. To often people are not able to grasp their own will and like Alister Crowley, the once famous mason put it......Do what thou will.

Sad world, truly sad. Am justing waiting for the action to take place. Got some popcorn and am waiting with anticipation for the nothing to happen.

Originally posted by mystifying
reply to post by mystifying

 

So, daddio, you state "my wife" and "my daughter" so where were you? You so distrust the masons (i.e. 'father-in-law') so why trust them to take care of your family?

Not understanding the hatred. Please explain.

edit on 18-10-2011 by mystifying because: spelling

I was at work till very late. If diabetics don't take their shots, they go into a coma fairly quickly, especially in the advanced stages of the disease. What gets me, and I really don't care about it anymore, is the fact they left her laying on the couch and NEVER bothered to check her blood sugar, she was diabetic since the age of 2 and her mother had nurses training but chose to get drunk instead. Nice. But that is the past and I will leave it there. Not my problem anymore.

Originally posted by daddio

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Just as a follow-up, it seems daddio is fetishising a Freeman of the Land-type aka a tax dodger who believes that incanting the right magic will cause the powers that be to cough up wondrous amounts of money. It's all very woo woo

Fitz

Okay, I'll bite, so who exactly "created government" and WHO gave these legislators the RIGHT to steal private property?

Unless government has morphed into a secret society, you're in the wrong forum to be positing that question

Originally posted by daddio
Please expound on your statement that I may be a "tax dodger" andplease show me the "law" that gives THEM the authority over ME.

Look at my statement that you quoted. Did I say YOU are a "tax dodger"? Or did I say I say you're "fetishising a Freeman of the Land-type aka a tax dodger". Fetishising and being are not the same thing unless you're claiming to be that particular FOTL.

Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Sorry, been busy working on the house for my wonderful wife. I have manufactured colloidal silver generators for many people. One woman had stomach cancer, gone, another young woman had a cancerous cist on her uterus, it shrunk into a stone after 5 months of silver and ozonated water, she had it surgically removed just in case. Had a friend at work who had hit himself in the head with a chainsaw, pretty bad wound, 16 stitches, he put silver on it right away and it was healed in 5 days, the doctor was astonished, cured his Hypetitis C too! They said it was incureable, okay then.

I am sorry if some of you here don't believe what is real. The lodge could explain your blindness to the truth. Sadly. I am not angry with the people so much as I am with the idiotic ideology. The former father in law was a 9th degree mason and he let his daughter, the former wife, DIE. She had diabetes and she needed an insulin shot, her parents came over and took her daughter, their granddaughter back home with them and left their daughter to die on the couch. Nice folks, the mother in law was a woman of the eastern star and a complete drunk, even though she went to AA every monday! THE father in law worked for the city and was a total idiot.

They are both gone and I have spit on their grave in anger. I have helped out people, I will not give money but my time to those in need. Sorry that you masons get upset but that is life right. I know who I am, where I came from and where I am going. I don't need the comradery of other men to steer me. I am not communist. I am a freeman on the land, I harm no one and avoid those who wish to do me harm. If confronted, I have no problem taking a life.

Still, there is so much that is swept under the rug as a result of ignorance. And for those who think I have back pedaled, far from it, I stand by what I say. All of the other groups that you may belong to are all tied together and are part of the bigger organization. You can disagree all you wish and say it isn't so, but we outside that group do know and we see it all the time and it makes us sick. Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, Kiwanis, 4-H, Lions and the rest are all part of the same international group. Who are you kidding?

Just as the church steers all religions, freemasonry steers almost all the governments. Sad.

edit on 7-10-2011 by daddio because: (no reason given)

reply to post by daddio

Never apologize for doing housework for the wife.

9th degree? Did he not complete the Scottish Rite?

Were you not married to her? Why did you let this happen? Were you not as husband responsible for their well being?

If Freemasonry steered all governments, the world wouldn't be in as bad a state as it is.

reply to post by daddio


Daddio,

Letting someone suffer and not get treatment is not a Masonic thing. It sounds like your father-in-law was just an idiot. We have a few in the Lodge. My buddy is a Mason, and he has gone through the harshest regime of chemo that his oncologist had ever administered! He has done it 3 times so far, and will do more if his bone marrow and blood count gets high enough. He is also doing alternative treatments from Eastern Europe, he is also leaving Sunday for Mexico to do a month of alternative/holistic Western treatments, including colloidal silver, vit c, blood serum, immune shocker, and others. He is also negotiating at this time with the Burzynski Institute and they are reviewing his records to see if they can help. He wants to live, he just turned 30, and he is willing to do anything. His Mom even paid a voodoo priestess to remove his bad mojo. The priestess claimed he had been cursed by a jilted lover from the islands (he has about a dozen jilted lovers from the Caribbean islands, LOL!), and she charged a hefty amount to remove the curse, but it doesn't appear to have worked.

I believe your stories about the stomach cancer, and the head wound. I have some silver implements in my survival bag, because they do have great topical properties, but I'm not so sure I believe it can help other types of cancer. I hope it does, because he will be trying it for the next 4 weeks.

More on topic, what you speak of has absolutely nothing to do with Masonry. We aren't Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of my Lodge is on Insulin shots or some other kind of Medicine. They will take blood transfusions if needed. They will take chemo or blood thinners or viagra or anything else that helps them feel better. They will also try alternative therapies if they have a chance of working.

Originally posted by KSigMason

We don't cover up crimes and it should be noted that we're charged to be good law abiding citizens.

Originally posted by KSigMason

How is it controlling? Outside the Lodge Freemasonry doesn't control me.

This is what we call a contradiction.

Freemasonry has laws against temperance, and a Mason cannot sleep with another Mason's wife or daughter. In the oath, it says that the cable tow can be removed from the initiate because he is bound by an even stronger tie or something like that.

Originally posted by KSigMason

Too bad you have so much hate in your heart. I do like to point out those that greatly oppose Freemasonry are usually tyrants or fascist ideologically.

This an ad-hominem attack. You've also mentioned that EVERY ex-Mason who criticizes the order usually "joined for the wrong reasons."

Originally posted by KSigMason

What does cancer have to do with the Shriners? From their page their hospitals are known for their pediatric orthopedics and burn centers. You're saying the Shriners are preventing the use of a legitimate cure for cancer even though they are not involved in cancer?

Its not angry just annoyed that you accuse us of hindering the cure of cancer because our Shriner hospitals go out of business, but yet those hospitals dont specialize in cancer rather their known for the burn and orthopedics.

His point was that a Shriner hospital admitted his boss's granddaughter for cancer treatment and didn't even know what they were doing. All of those millions of dollars in wasteful donations are going down the drain.

Originally posted by KSigMason

Cancer is not a bacterial infection.

Cancer is an auto-immune condition that is thought to be caused by "cancer cells" constantly attacking the immune system. Cancer happens when the immune system can no longer contain the spread of cancer cells.

Originally posted by jimnuggits

It seems to me that your problem lies not in Masonry, but a particular Mason.

That's always the usual excuse, isn't it? How long will it take before all of the "particular Masons" start to indicate a behavioral pattern?

Originally posted by KSigMason

degree doesn't equal rank/position.

All Scottish Rite Masons must show their obedience to 32 and 33 degree Masons. All York Rite Masons must show their obedience to the highest-degree York Rite Masons. This is in their oaths.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

If your claims of "easily curable cancer" weren't enough of a joke, your belief that the OTO has ANY power whatsoever is clear proof that you're a loon.

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Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
His point was that a Shriner hospital admitted his boss's granddaughter for cancer treatment and didn't even know what they were doing. All of those millions of dollars in wasteful donations are going down the drain.

Not exactly. Shriners Hospitals are orthopedic, and there are several Shrine Burn Centers. But there are no Shrine centers that treat cancer patients. That story is make believe.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
All Scottish Rite Masons must show their obedience to 32 and 33 degree Masons. All York Rite Masons must show their obedience to the highest-degree York Rite Masons. This is in their oaths.

No, it isn't. In Canada and the United States, all Scottish Rite Masons become 32°, and rather quickly. In fact, the 32° is what makes one a full member.

The York Rite is basically the same way. Leaders are those who have been elected by the general membership to serve as leaders.

The Masons here are disgusting scumbags and have shown themselves to be complete sociopaths. They must be delusional if they think they're in a position to make anyone better!

When you get the above, as well as your other, facts straight, then you may be in a better position to call other folks on here "sociopaths" and "scumbags".

But somehow I doubt it.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
Freemasonry has laws against temperance...

Actually, it is in-temperance. Big difference.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
His point was that a Shriner hospital admitted his boss's granddaughter for cancer treatment and didn't even know what they were doing. All of those millions of dollars in wasteful donations are going down the drain.

Not exactly. Shriners Hospitals are orthopedic, and there are several Shrine Burn Centers. But there are no Shrine centers that treat cancer patients. That story is make believe.

"Shriners Hospital Focuses On Children's Bone Tumors"
www.napsnet.com...

It's quite despicable of you to say that his story is make-believe without any proof whatsoever and without even a good reason to do so, yet you always ask for proof when anyone refutes anything a Mason says.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
Freemasonry has laws against temperance...

Actually, it is in-temperance. Big difference.

Yes, big difference indeed.

My point was that the Lodge does control your actions on the outside, because anyone can report your to the Lodge for breaking the oaths, including oaths regarding behavior and personal conduct.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
"Shriners Hospital Focuses On Children's Bone Tumors"
www.napsnet.com...

You should read the article prior to posting. Doernbecher Children's Hospital is known to treat pediatric cancers. The local Shriners Hospital teamed with them to help with prosthetics for amputees as a result of cancer surgeries, not because the Shriners treat pediatric cancer.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
My point was that the Lodge does control your actions on the outside, because anyone can report your to the Lodge for breaking the oaths, including oaths regarding behavior and personal conduct.

If I am out getting $&!ttfaced and banging people's wives I think I have bigger problems to worry about then who reports me to my lodge. Like, oh say, being a decent and respectable human being.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
My point was that the Lodge does control your actions on the outside, because anyone can report your to the Lodge for breaking the oaths, including oaths regarding behavior and personal conduct.

If I am out getting $&!ttfaced and banging people's wives I think I have bigger problems to worry about then who reports me to my lodge. Like, oh say, being a decent and respectable human being.

Now you're starting to wonder off-topic.

Typical.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
"Shriners Hospital Focuses On Children's Bone Tumors"
www.napsnet.com...

You should read the article prior to posting. Doernbecher Children's Hospital is known to treat pediatric cancers. The local Shriners Hospital teamed with them to help with prosthetics for amputees as a result of cancer surgeries, not because the Shriners treat pediatric cancer.

I did read the article and that's not what it says.

Once a child has been diagnosed with a malignant tumor, the bone tumor team maps out a treatment regimen. The multidisciplinary team consists of an orthopaedic surgeon specializing in tumor and limb salvage surgery, a pediatric medical oncologist, team coordinator, physical therapist, occupational therapist, general surgeon, radiation oncologist, nutritionist, prosthetist, pediatric radiologist, child life specialist, social worker, and inpatient and outpatient nurses familiar with the treatment of sarcomas.

Not to mention, the article is written in the King's English which is not always spoken in Oregon.