Disclosure

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy

People have been talking about disclosure for decades....time to get real...it wont happen, because we havent been visited by anything!

This is of course not true. There are a number of very good reports, and i do not talk about your typical hilly-billy who thinks venus or a sparkling star is an UFO. Whether 95% of sightings are done by uneducated people doesn't play a role - it's the remaining sightings which count.

What about the belgian UFO wave - or the number of encounters professional pilots and the military had etc..etc.. Again...dont make the mistake and think that the UFO phenomenon means some blurry youtube videos by religious new age people....or whatever you read in the tabloids.

And, IMO, this is the actual issue..that "the government" is indeed aware of *those* sightings and reports, however they do not more than what most of us do.

Originally posted by Klassified

And this is why there is no "disclosure", because they don't have a clue either..so there is nothing to disclose.

To me. This is naive. And living in an imaginary world. But that is only my opinion.

You know one MAIN reason for my posting?

I have seen *plenty* of reports and posts where people are *claiming* there is undeniable doubt that "the military" (or NASA , Gvt or CIA or whatever) "knows" some insight details - and those people using the reports by military people, ex. NASA etc. trying to prove their point there is such a conspiracy.

HOWEVER - after you look at many of those accounts (even statements by so called "Ex-NASA" people etc.) for me it looks that those "insider people" do NOTHING ELSE than repeating and stating the already known speculative theories - with the exception that its not some new age buff or ATS reader making such speculations but some saying they were ex-NASA or maybe Gvt employees.

In other words: If a NASA employee believes there are UFOs and says so...it does *NOT* mean that NASA has some insight knowledge - it simply means that that a NASA employee shares the same opinion as your average UFO buff.

You can see an interview by a former scientist or some other "high ranked" person, saying "yes, i am pretty sure we are visited by Aliens, there are UFOs, there are some credible reports" --> NOT proof for a conspiracy but rather some person sharing an opinion. Why should an ex NASA employee not have the same right to believe the same things we do?

The ACTUAL number of reports which WOULD prove a conspiracy that the gvt has some detailled insight information about their origins etc. is VERY LOW and very "shady", to say it mildly.

We have Bob Lazar who *claimed* to have been a temp worker at Area 51 whose story, IMO, is very, very non credible - and we have Corso with his book...and the alleged "MJ 12" documents....and to be honest that's all i can think of now, not really a lot to stand on.

So..what else or who else is indication there is a huge conspiracy with "the government" knowing something we don't? Do me a favor and look for evidence. They dont know a thing, IMO.

Originally posted by Malkuth
Flexy123: I find your opinion entirely remarkable. I have no intention of bashing you or anybody holding similar views. I do, however, pose this question directly to you: If it could be demonstrated that there are credible reports from credible people that their does exist a core of individuals who possess extraordinary information concerning UFOs AND that much of this information has been withheld from the public for a long time, would you still hold on firmly to your position?

Of course not.

Well from the person who said that disclosure has already come might be very true only to a select few. Recently I saw an article about presidents that were introduce to disclosure. It stated by high command and government staff working close too past selected presidents were given clearance to alien documents with possible meetings. How can you explain why in August of 1995,Hillary Clinton made a trip to Rockefeller’s JY Ranch to discuss something. Laurance Rockefeller known for funding scientic research and well known for helping political fundraising so what do you think they were talking about in this nice relaxing area? If you look close at the book Hillary Clinton is holding it might shock you. Why would a lady with her stature with a Yale law school degree being spending her time looking and talking to Laurance Rockefeller about something secretly there.
www....(nolink)/hillary-clintons-et-book-discovered/

September 1987, why would Ronald Regan speak to the United Nations General Assembly, 42nd General Assembly quote " In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

I could go on with so much more with selected people in past history what they might said or saw. I really think disclosure has come and might be afraid it will not come in our history. The reason might be because their might be a threat of some kind out there and it might affect our society not by fear, but something we are connect with. It could affect our religion because so many people want to believe in something that they can see and hear at the same time. It would be sad if people get it in their heads that we are seeded by aliens and not created by God. Some might get it in their heads to form a religion in their name and all the bible talks about was the aliens that visit in past history. I really don't know what to say about it because it would be hear say and it would be wrong. All we know they are here and facts shows it with selected few clues. The real question is with discloser someday might come what is the threat that some people keep talking about from documents I found. Also to those who still don't believe in UFO's or Aliens: The United Nations international statistics reported in 2010 that 100,000,000 Worldwide have seen strange ufos or aliens in a collected analysis. People under hypnosis saw some Grays with no emotions and some said they saw different aliens beings besides grays. I do hope it does come and I believe I am ready for might come out of it. I know I will look at them as equal individuals.

Originally posted by flexy123
But the point is: "They" don't know what the Alien visitor's intentions are. They don't know where they come from. They don't even know whether they are Aliens from other planets or, heck, coming from somewhere else, another dimension or whatever.

You sure about that? Ever hear of the yellow book?

Originally posted by Radar99

September 1987, why would Ronald Regan speak to the United Nations General Assembly, 42nd General Assembly quote " In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"

I see that all the time that conspiracy believers take such and similar words *totally out of context* and interpret it *freely* as to support their theories.

Tell me, please, where such a statement would be even *remotely* an indication that "the government" would know something...and why Reagan would not have the "right" to make such a statement which (IMO) is legit, valid and makes a lot of sense - WITHOUT (for some bizarre reason!) implying that what he said is an indication that "they know something".

Sorry...i can NOT follow that logic.

This is the same abstruse logic which took the NASA website with the emergency preparedness info as pseudo "evidence" that NASA allegedly knows about an impending Elenin impact etc......again..sorry...Logic FAILS here. I don't think it's too much to ask for halfway "solid" evidence. If there IS no solid evidence this simply means that a conspiracy theory is not very credible.

I respect every opinion here however disclosure may never happen.

I am a Contactee and Life Long Experiencer - complete with physical proof examined by a medical professional. I know there is a lot about our history and our present time that has been hidden from us with selected information syphoned off in various methods.

Consider all the art - from cave paintings to modern day - every era has representations of what people have witnessed. There is a litany of resources with which to immerse yourself in personal research and study. Next to pornography - Intergalactic Visitors and Intergalactic Craft are the most searched topics on the internet.

The governments of the world do not tell us - the regular populous - what is going on - how they spend our taxes - why the evil Denver airport was built - why HAARP was introduced silently without public knowledge - do I need to continue?

The government know heaps. Ever been lied to? Did the liar come clean of their own free will? Did the liar need to paint themself into a corner before their lies no longer worked? Liars - to my knowledge will continue their lies until such a time as they are cornered. We cannot stop liars - all we can do is develop our instincts/intuition/sense of knowing and try to sort through all the information.

There is information and there is disinformation. The two are now so heavily intertwined it is hard to distinguish which is which. I am fortunate in that I have proof and I am secure enough in myself - that I do not need to prove myself to anyone. I have my personal faith and I empathise with people who are suffering. I care that our Earth is raped daily and I care that many people right now are starving - unhealthy through no fault of their own - are homeless - are caught in wars they did not start and cannot stop.

I know we are not the only sentient beings in the universe - I am not that arrogant or self centred. If you have not seen or experienced something I can fully understand you will not believe.

Disclosure - from the government - why would they? Unless of course they disclose as a means to control people particularly people who believe that politicians never lie. If the governments of the world did suddenly decide to disclose - I would be suspicious. And don't try the line - we were protecting you - you would not cope with the truth. I can think for myself - just like every other person on this planet.

Much Peace...

@Flexy123:

Very good, then. I was hoping you would respond in this manner. So, forward we can go. I would be interested to see your opinion change. Would you prefer to take some time and to do some additional research on the matter or would you prefer it to be supplied to you for your review?

[I would have to admit I was long ago more on the skeptic side of the equation, but after much investigation, I feel quite certain that it is fairly easy to locate quality reports which make it clear that a core of wealthy, well-connected persons have both financed and retained nearly all the results of the UFO issue they have elucidated. More nebulous is the reason for withholding the information.]

Thank you.

Sorry to hi-jack but I only want to post once here. Believe the following or not....I do not care...it's what I know to be true.
The worlds governments have been aware of a pending alien invasion for over 50 years now. That is the only reason they have been building bunkers in record numbers and why there's been such an influx of alien TV series' and movies. It's to quell the initial shock of disclosure when it is announced an attack is imminent.
These aliens want two things...water and people. The leaders of the US have an agreement with the ET's. Take as many people as you wish and leave the great lakes for us and we promise not to nuke the planet.
This actually works out great for the "Elite". For years they've been all about population reduction and this would solve that whole problem for them. The odd orders for body bags recently, the countless FEMA vehicles parked at locations throughout the US, the thousands upon thousands of plastic coffins....ALL are for the cleanup process. The chemtrailing that has disrupted the atmosphere in countless ways, the bombarding of our immune systems due to vaccines, gmo's, preservatives, and pharmaceuticals....all for the ET's benefit. They are prepared for the viruses and bacteria of earth. We however, would not be prepared to deal with ET bacteria at all. Also, the ET's need the atmosphere to contain more CO2 than normal levels.
All you have to do is open your minds and connect the dots. The powers that be definitely are preparing for something besides a nuclear war or a pandemic. They have funneled countless Trillions into these "Black Projects", they seem overly whimsical as of late when it comes to money and jobs and everything really. They have no need to care...it's all almost over for crisake.
Call me names, laugh at the post, I won't lose a wink. This info came from a good source...a related source whom I have and will always trust. This person has forced my family to prepare as best we can and is actually one of the smartest and sane people I've ever been around. I for one believe him.
Has anyone ever heard of this thoery before? Has this subject been chatted about before?? What are everyones thoughts on such things?? I have a pretty good head on my shoulders and really can't seem to wrap my head around this.
Let the bashing begin lol.

Originally posted by flexy123
In almost every second UFO/Alien thread someone is throwing in the word "disclosure".

Obviously, some of the more naive people believe that there is some imaginary "elite" of world leaders and scientists who "know" the truth and keep it hidden from the population for decades.

Fact is that such a thought is only speculation, mainly coming from a handful of books and authors with less than solid credibility, IMO.

Why is there no such "disclosure"?

The reason is, likely, that "the government" and your "secret elite" (whoever that may be) knows as much as anyone else. For the sake of it, let's assume YES there are Aliens and UFOs, and also let's assume that UFOs are indeed craft used by those aliens.

It is more likely that "the government", NASA etc. might indeed be aware of their presence, there are military accounts, credible accounts by credible people. Who knows..there might be reports where it says that UFOs are indeed real but those reports are hidden from the public.

But the point is: "They" don't know what the Alien visitor's intentions are. They don't know where they come from. They don't even know whether they are Aliens from other planets or, heck, coming from somewhere else, another dimension or whatever.

The only "disclosure" would be "yes we acknowledge, we have countless reports of people seeing UFOs, we really don't know what they are. Otherwise we know a much as you".

And this is why there is no "disclosure", because they don't have a clue either..so there is nothing to disclose.

edit on 3-10-2011 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)

You can take this post in the "No Proof Sited" fasion that I am about to type but...THERE IS PROOF! I have posted many times where to look in U.S. Goverment files....especially the Dept. of Agriculture Files....for proof and documentation the the U.S,A.F. as well as the FBI has known about E.T. and E.T. craft for decades.

As to your question of why there is no disclosure....I would think that would be obvious. Causing mass panick rates high up there....as well as to protect secret programs based on E.T. Tech. Disclosure would be a DISASTER.

As far as villifying those or as you have posted...THEM...for carrying out a coverup of the highest magnitude....consider all of us LUCKY that this is done. People are NOT READY! Split Infinity

Originally posted by flexy123
Fact is that such a thought is only speculation, mainly coming from a handful of books and authors with less than solid credibility, IMO.

You don't need to add "IMO" to that. It is an actual fact, which is why this nonsense continues to proliferate through the years.

Originally posted by Amanda5
I am a Contactee and Life Long Experiencer - complete with physical proof examined by a medical professional.

What is the proof?

Jeremy_Vaeni - not that I need to prove myself to you but I had an implant - visible through my skin - examined by a general practitioner. Needless to say the doctor was perplexed. I was not in pain - there was no infection and no damage to my health. I moved on and did not worry.

I am published regularly and in the current issue of Ufologist (Australian magazine) you can see photographs. There is a face at my kitchen window and when enlarged it is clearly not a human. I showed my doctor - he is an intelligent man who - with an educated and balanced intellect stated - I do not believe but I do believe in keeping an open mind. He took a close look at my article and asked me what it was and I replied with - you tell me.

notinkansas - the only part of your explanation that does not make sense is the part about an invasion. I do not believe that we will be invaded. Intergalactic Visitors are highly evolved - forget about highly intelligent - that goes without saying. If we were going to be invaded they would have done so by now. The government officials and elite have had contact and know all about our visitors. The reason they have built the underground bunkers - well it should be obvious - they are not for us. TPTB have lied and deceived themselves into a corner and the reason so many movies, images and general communications in the media using the word alien - is as a subliminal. The public - particularly the public who believe every word government officials utter - will go nuts if they see an Intergalactic Craft let alone an Intergalactic Visitor.

Just answer this question please? Technological advancements have been made at almost supersonic speed in the last era. Where did all that technology come from? A laborotory somewhere filled with nutty professors in white labs coats?

Before you answer the question - we as humans kill our own kind - fight wars we do not start - watch homeless people live on the street - watch the news reports of entire countries of people starving - do I need to continue? We watch all these events and just keep on living - some people don't even feel anything when they look at disturbing images. Why - why would aliens want to make a deal with some earth government officials? If I was an Intergalactic Being - I would take one look at Earth and her inhabitants and give them a wide berth - war - disease - hate - greed. Why would you want the water that we have been polluting?

I am going to stop now.

Much Peace...

I must also disagree with the impending invasion theory. Very wise, intelligent people can be wrong at times and I think this may be the case here. If people from other worlds need water, there is quite alot of stunningly pure icewater at the south pole of the moon and apparently also just beneath the surface of Mars. If that isn't enough water, then Titan may just be an oceanic moon covered in ice. Water may be a very common compound in the universe, it turns out. People-mining? No. If we can clone, then likely more advanced technologies can do it better and faster. No need to invade anyone.

On the other hand, I have no problem believing that the PTB spend plenty of money financing lavish bunkers for family and friends for any fear they have which such an asset would ameliorate.

I am not saying an invasion could not occur, or even that it won't. I just think from a logical point of view that it would not seem to make much sense...to me. Any civilization that can cross the time/light/space barrier will have absolutely no trouble whatsoever breaching a bunker anyway..so if that is the rationale for building one, I don't think it holds water.

if anyone shows up publicly from somewhen else, I say we make them welcome, show them our best hospitality and we share anything of interest. This is being "human".

Hello everybody..........


For alll the non believers in UFO....... i have a question............ Why is virus Unique entity..........??




get me an answer........... if u don't get one lemme know........... will tell you........... truth about virus.......... for some credibility.......... virus have recently been linked to causing many Cancers........

Originally posted by Primus87
Hello everybody..........


For alll the non believers in UFO....... i have a question............ Why is virus Unique entity..........??




get me an answer........... if u don't get one lemme know........... will tell you........... truth about virus.......... for some credibility.......... virus have recently been linked to causing many Cancers........

What you probably don't know is that when WENDELL M. STANLEY won a nobel prize for his research on VIRUS....the nobel prize catagory was in CHEMISTRY. Unknown by most people...a VIRUS is considered neither to be ALIVE or NOT. It is a complex grouping of molecules....and is basicly inert until coming into contact with a host.

So...a VIRUS is not actually an ENTITY. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by Primus87
Hello everybody..........


For alll the non believers in UFO....... i have a question............ Why is virus Unique entity..........??




get me an answer........... if u don't get one lemme know........... will tell you........... truth about virus.......... for some credibility.......... virus have recently been linked to causing many Cancers........

What you probably don't know is that when WENDELL M. STANLEY won a nobel prize for his research on VIRUS....the nobel prize catagory was in CHEMISTRY. Unknown by most people...a VIRUS is considered neither to be ALIVE or NOT. It is a complex grouping of molecules....and is basicly inert until coming into contact with a host.

So...a VIRUS is not actually an ENTITY. Split Infinity

ugh hair splitting this sounded like something my gf would say .

would thing instead of entity make you feel better or would you then turn it into a an entity again..

I really don't care if people don't believe in UFO's or aliens. I love reading everyones idea on disclosure or what research they came across to share with the others of us that have an interested in this matter. What I can't understand why someone would come into a UFO forum to read about it or even response to a topic if they don't believe in it. All I say show respect to everyones views..

I don't buy the "technological advancement came from Alien tech" theory.

Sorry...please provide PROOF why lasers, micro chips etc. are all supposed to be "Alien Technology".
Humans are not as dumb (ok, they are ...but not AS dumb as some would seem to think.

If it takes ONE SINGLE BOOK/AUTHOR to come up with some theory (Corso)...stating its Alien technology..doesnt convince me by a long shot.

flexy123 - at no stage have I stated that technology has come to us from Intergalactic Visitors. I choose my words very carefully and my opinions are based on my experience and personal research. Read my words as they are written.

There are countless books, videos, DVDs and articles on the internet and in libraries. People have been documenting their experiences and research for who knows how long. Read, research and do not stop - remember learning is a life long experience and it is what helps us evolve - both as a species and individually.

Try to go looking to learn and discover not necessarily to see proof. We are not in a court of law - none of us are guilty for having an opinion or for favouring a particular perspective on a commonly discussed theme. We are all on this site to connect - share ideas - discuss opinions and generally learn to get along.

If only one thing could come out of all the pain - hate - hunger - war and evil that has dominated our existence - I would hope that it would be a sense of connectedness. We need to respect each other and realise we are all on the same planet - bleeding the same blood and crying the same tears.

Much Peace...