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I Kind Of Like Charles Manson...There, I said it

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posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
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He remove the woman above from existence so we can be blessed with his nonsense.


Allegedly, through other people? How many people have made statements, online alone, that call for harming or killing of others in the same ways he supposedly did to those kids who did the killing?

I can twist this around and say that Rumsfeld, Bush, and Cheney, to start, should be immediately arrested and go on trial for the murder of over 1 million innocent civilians in Iraq. THEY "commanded" others to kill children, fathers, and pregnant mothers, all in the name of bad information?
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i think they should be arrested people should be held accountable for war and killing the innocent plain and simple

charles manson didnt allegedly do # he was found guilty he did it quit defending this worthless piece of #

no wonder people think were all nuts they come to a conspiracy site and see people defending charles manson




posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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if i sent some people to your house and killed your whole family arent i just as guilty as the people doing the killing


Yes agree 100%, see paragraph 2 of this comment...
www.abovetopsecret.com...




And those whom put bush in power..aka, the majority of the american people whom elected him...so yes, we all have blood on our hands


You had me until there. According to the OS of the 2000 elections, WE, popular votes, elected Gore.
Popular votes don't seem to count in America if you haven't noticed.
Also... a mentally retarded country would not vote for George Bush, are you calling the USA extremely retarded? They supposedly elected him twice!

I am quite sure 9/11 and the Iraq agenda would have happened regardless of who was in that office.
All I'm saying is the same supposed crimes occurred with our White House administration and Charles Manson. Same things, different actors.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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I've always been amazed how a man with no education could control so many people. To tell people to go kill and they do or to have them hand over their worldly belongings is amazing to me. I mean try doing that. You have to have a certain kind of intelligence and charisma to control people the way he did or does and again with no real education.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Well it's not all that surprising that you like him....He was a cult leader after all. You don't generally become a cult leader unless you're pretty smart and somewhat charming.

No offense, but defending him as you are doing, makes me think that you would have been exactly the type he sought out to join his little 'club'. Easily controllable types that gravitate towards people with strong personalities because they have none of their own.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by AllUrChips
Well and your certainly entitled to an opinion. However just remember he did commit the crimes he was charged with. He does however make valid points but many of those are just common knowledge anyway. To say you like a conspirator of mass murder though is a bold statement, but again I LOVE THE FACT we all can have our own opinions.


In his defense, on that point, a lot of people like conspirators of mass murder. Any presidential approval rating during the past 30 years above 0% is proof of that!



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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I don't know if he's innocent or guilty. All I know is that he wasn't given a fair trial at all. Looks like you're parroting the official media line. You're calling someone guilty who wasn't allowed any witnesses or defense?



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
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No offense, but defending him as you are doing, makes me think that you would have been exactly the type he sought out to join his little 'club'. Easily controllable types that gravitate towards people with strong personalities because they have none of their own.



That's a shame, your "makes me think" stuff is way off target. Are you seeing part of yourself in that stuff? I can't relate.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
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No offense, but defending him as you are doing, makes me think that you would have been exactly the type he sought out to join his little 'club'. Easily controllable types that gravitate towards people with strong personalities because they have none of their own.



That's a shame, your "makes me think" stuff is way off target. Are you seeing part of yourself in that stuff? I can't relate.


No I don't see myself in that at all.....as I don't generally defend cult leaders that convince people to kill pregnant women and rip out their fetus in order to start a race war as Manson did....Defending someone like that simply because you think he's 'cool' or whatever makes you seem like your ripe to be led by someone.

If anything I'd be the Cult Leader...not one of the followers. Though if I were to start one, I wouldn't tell my followers to kill anyone or anything...I'd just be doing it for the constant orgies



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
reply to post by MrSmokeydogg7
 




if i sent some people to your house and killed your whole family arent i just as guilty as the people doing the killing


Yes agree 100%, see paragraph 2 of this comment...
www.abovetopsecret.com...




And those whom put bush in power..aka, the majority of the american people whom elected him...so yes, we all have blood on our hands


You had me until there. According to the OS of the 2000 elections, WE, popular votes, elected Gore.
Popular votes don't seem to count in America if you haven't noticed.
Also... a mentally retarded country would not vote for George Bush, are you calling the USA extremely retarded? They supposedly elected him twice!

I am quite sure 9/11 and the Iraq agenda would have happened regardless of who was in that office.
All I'm saying is the same supposed crimes occurred with our White House administration and Charles Manson. Same things, different actors.


that second quote aint from me so idk who your talking to there
but i dont agree i didnt vote for bush ever but i dont think most people who voted for him did so wanting him to go kill people



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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In summery ops...

Let us at ATS know if someone savagely murders your pregnant wife, mother, or sister..

That way we can start liking the guy whom orchistrated it...

If you find that offensive, then you might reconsider your stance. After all, the murder victims were not some genetically created experiment..they had a family and loved ones whom got smashed when these idiots lead by that idiot took them out.

What would you say to the Tate or LaBianca family...hey, that dude that caused your loved ones brutal murder...he seems like a good chap...lets faun over him.

Disgusting. Why not like someone whom has earned it...hell, like a reformed drug dealer whom turned his/her life around if you insist on wanting to like a ultimately rotten apples of society.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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So you are saying his trial was fair?



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by AllUrChips
Well and your certainly entitled to an opinion. However just remember he did commit the crimes he was charged with. He does however make valid points but many of those are just common knowledge anyway. To say you like a conspirator of mass murder though is a bold statement, but again I LOVE THE FACT we all can have our own opinions.


I think that's funny. He did commit the crimes he was charged with? Really? What if I told you that he wasn't even there where the crimes were committed. He wasn't charged with conspiracy to commit murder. He was charged with first degree murder and he wasn't even there.

Now that aside he mad as a hatter so I have no problem with his being confined but he was not guilty of murder.

To the user who was bothered by the fact that he could agree with Charlie on something. I had a friend who was paranoid schizo and occasionally I would understand exactly what he was saying. He spoke mostly in metaphor and innuendo but I knew him well enough that sometimes I got it. Scared me back then too.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Can any of you imagine what it would be like to spend 23 hours per day in solitary confinement for years? Would any one of us sound or act remotely sane after even 2 weeks of that life? Any mammal on the planet would go insane under those conditions.


Sorry , but that dude was crazy before he ever went to prison..

I honestly think he may have been part of an experiment on mind control when he was very young....not sure.. but I have read some interesting theories and speculations about why and how his "ranch" even came to be.


here is one tiny excerpt from his childhood on Wikipedia.


In 1947, Kathleen Maddox tried to have her son placed in a foster home but failed because no such home was available.[2]:136–7 The court placed Manson in Gibault School for Boys, in Terre Haute, Indiana. After 10 months, he fled from there to his mother, who rejected him


That is just one small example.. but this guy had a very sad childhood.. and considering that much MK type mind control was experimented with and used at these "boys schools".. it wouldn't surprise me at all that he was a product of it..and perhaps with disastrous results..

I don't know any of this to be true without a doubt.. but it fits in with so much I have read on the topic.

Maybe there are members here ..who know much more about his childhood, and how he came to be how he was and is today.

I don't like the guy..and I don't hate him.. mostly I feel sorry for a little boy who ended up totally mixed up, eccentric, and dangerous.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Let us at ATS know if someone savagely murders your pregnant wife, mother, or sister..

The corporate NWO already killed my family and no one cares or wants to bring them to justice except those of us who've experienced that loss, but give it time, your family will die off too because of them.



What would you say to the Tate or LaBianca family...hey, that dude that caused your loved ones brutal murder...he seems like a good chap...lets faun over him.

I don't have to say anything to them, Manson was worth millions guilty, so they got compensated that way, otherwise he'd have gone free, Tate's family would have no compensation, and the justice system would've had it's reputation ruined by being "fair" if the trial went the way it should have.

I invite all of you haters to watch his uncut interviews and make your own decisions about him.
Cult leader.... monster....NWO/CIA experiment..... for real? The guy was a street bum, a hobo stealing cars and hustling just to make it on the streets. People like that are usually not elaborate murderers, and if he was so ingenious, why'd he get caught?



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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I invite all of you haters to watch his uncut interviews and make your own decisions about him. Cult leader.... monster....NWO/CIA experiment..... for real? The guy was a street bum, a hobo stealing cars and hustling just to make it on the streets. People like that are usually not elaborate murderers, and if he was so ingenious, why'd he get caught?


First off..I don't hate the guy.. but I don't think you really know enough about his life on "the ranch" ,and what he experimented with, what his crazy ideas were, and how he had powerful influence over others..

He wasn't just a hobo selling cars.. he evolved much much more than that..so take a long hard look and read a very good biography on him.



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posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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First off..I don't hate the guy.. but I don't think you really know enough about his life on "the ranch" ,and what he experimented with, what his crazy ideas were, and how he had powerful influence over others..

All any of us knew about the guy was told to us by the media on television and those who sold books about him. That information is only as good as the source, which is very capable of lying and manipulating just for profit, happens to occur a lot actually.

I say watch the interview and read Manson's reactions every time Geraldo tries to make him out to sound like a demonic cult wizard or whatever, it's like Geraldo loves the spicy sound bytes and wants the official tale of terror to be true. It's obviously a mythical media horror story when you watch him uncut.
People have posted good points about the sham his trial was too.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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There are things written about him..that did not come from the media..people who knew him, and were there at that ranch..saw what he did..what he said, etc.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Hear-say from people who wanted to not get in trouble for their participation at the ranch. When you are possibly up for conspiracy to murder or accomplice to murder, you will sing songs all day & night in a police station testifying, "it was all this guy, not me I had nothing to do with it!"

It just seems strange to me, the whole tall tale of horror, he's not that smart of a guy, he didn't even use a TV to hypnotize his "followers".... the gov't would have hired him if he was that good.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
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Hear-say from people who wanted to not get in trouble for their participation at the ranch. When you are possibly up for conspiracy to murder or accomplice to murder, you will sing songs all day & night in a police station testifying, "it was all this guy, not me I had nothing to do with it!"

It just seems strange to me, the whole tall tale of horror, he's not that smart of a guy, he didn't even use a TV to hypnotize his "followers".... the gov't would have hired him if he was that good.


ok..looks like you have yourself convinced that everyone lied about him, and hes really an innocent fellow that meant no harm..

You should become his pen pal maybe.. and if he is ever let out, make sure you tell him you'll put him up at your place...cause you feel he has been very badly treated, and falsely accused.



posted on Oct, 3 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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I've met and talked to people far more gone than he is, I did that for a job for many years. I'm familiar with the mentally ill/challenged and I can honestly say I would feel just fine if he was sleeping in the next room from me with swords and knives all around his bedroom. I'm not afraid of the boogeyman the media portrayed him to be, he was a strung out 50's-60's hippie hobo who was made to be an evil mastermind of blood and death.

I'm not going to be writing to him though, I'm just pointing out another fake media hoax. Whether he should have been convicted or not is another story, I think a fair trial with less media fear mongering would have had a different outcome.






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