Giza- What is the Egyptian government hiding?, page 2

The two Scribes

About all we know from the representations of Egypt�s ancient past is that the legends of their humanlike Gods predated the hieroglyph. Egyptologists are not in complete agreement with each other when it comes to defining the hierarchal genesis, myths and roles of the Gods, largely due the lateness of the records and the metamorphosis of the Godly realm. Unraveling the relationships or realms of the various humanlike Gods is not afforded the luxury of a textual compilation irrefutable or otherwise, as Christians, Jews and Muslims have with the scriptures. The earliest timeframe from which the birth of humanlike Gods emanates is in the Naqada II period, c3500-3100 BCE. During the 2nd dynasty; c.2900- 2600 BCE of the early dynastic period, that worship of these Gods began to surface. It should be noted that evidence of the dawn of recorded communication is credited to Mesopotamians evolving from pictographs, c3200 BCE to script, c1,000BCE, during the Naqada II period, as was the. hieroglyph.

Common sense dictates then, that the history of the Egyptians as well as the principles of The Bible from Adam to Shem, was left to the devices of the storytellers and the historians to make their best guesses as to the eras within which these Gods fall...

The First:- Djeheuty/Thoth

Egyptian Gods were humans who had lived and ruled as kings and queens, skipping over for the time being, the hierarchy , we find Djeheuty or Thoth, as he is sometimes known. Some say he was the son of the first God Re/Ra, others, the son of the God Seth. Consensus has it however that he was a scribe of whom little is really known, but said to be; the inventor of writing; God of wisdom; a moon God; God of magic/ alchemy; messenger of the gods, a supporter of Horus over Seth, and whose equivalent Roman nomen is Hermes. The Tarot cards are often referred to as the book of Thoth. Djehuty/Thoth was said to have written a book of the secrets of wisdom, how to see the wind; hear the sun and speak the language of the beasts, and know the knowledge of the stars� the Book of The dead. All one need do is find it and free it from its earthly tomb.

Most important for the purpose of this exercise, is the story with which the Greek writer Plutarch tells of Helios (Re/Ra) sending a curse onto his daughter Rhea (Nut) denying her the ability to give birth on any of the 360 days of the year. Her births were made possible after the intervention of Hermes (Djeheuty/Thoth) who created 5 extra days. This particular story is used to explain the Egyptian calendar change.

Evolution of our Calendar:

Consensus has the calendar attributed to the Egyptians who utilized a 360 day cycle as far back as 4,000BCE. They are also credited with having calculated the actual solar year as having 365.25 days, although not accurately accounting for same in implementation which allowed for the seasons to fall out of sync. Subsequently came the lunar calendar, a convoluted mess which even after a 19 year rotation was still out of sync. This calendar was later adopted by a number of regions including the Jews, but curiously enough, to this day, not the Islamic communities. The Roman calendar came next, initially adding to the confusion until a half century or so before Christ�s birth, with the intercession of the Julian calendar. It was not until the 16th century however that the standard of today, the Gregorian calendar, was devised and largely accepted.

The second scribe- Or is he? Hermes Trismegistos:

A name meaning Hermes the Thrice great given by the Greeks to the Egyptian God of alchemy and sacred writings c300-250BCE�Djeheuty/Thoth. In both Greek and Egyptian mythology, both of these Gods are credited with the same powers. So who then was the second scribe? And was he in fact a second scribe?

There are two known renderings of a particular set of Jewish legends; Ethiopic and Slavonic. The former surviving in fragments, while the latter reads more like a list of oral or literary traditions. According to jewishencyclopedia.com; �about 300 the Christian Church began to discredit the book, and after the time of the Greek fathers Syncellus and Cedrenus, who cite it (ninth century), it was entirely lost until (1773) when the traveler Bruce discovered in Abyssinia two manuscripts of the book.�. Of major import is what was transpiring in and around 300ACE. The site goes on to state; �The Ethiopic Book of Enoch is one of the most important pieces of apocalyptic literature; it furnishes extensive contributions to our knowledge of Jewish folk-lore in the last pre-Christian centuries; it shows apocalyptic literature in its beginnings, and above all it is a source of information upon the religious ideas of Judaism, especially concerning the Messiah;��

1911 encyclopedia.org offers a bit more: The Ethiopic �version was made from an ancestor of the Greek fragment discovered at Giza.� Not Israel, but Egypt.

Addressing a specific part of the Ethiopic Book of Enoch for now, 1Enoch offers up a great deal of information important to the history of man, and notably;
41:2 �my eyes beheld the secrets of the lightning and the thunder; and the secrets of the winds��

42;1: 2 �Wisdom found not a place on earth where she could inhabit; her dwelling therefore is in heaven. 2Wisdom went forth to dwell among the sons of men, but she obtained not a habitation. Wisdom returned to her place�

43:1: �I beheld another splendour, and the stars of heaven. I observed that he called them all by their respective names, and that they heard. ��

47:3 �At that time I beheld the Ancient of days, while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence,��

51:5:7 And that angel of peace answered me, saying,�Those mountains which you have seen, the mountain of iron, the mountain of copper, the mountain of silver, the mountain of gold, the mountain of fluid metal, and the mountain of lead,�6In those days men shall not be saved by gold and by silver. 7Nor shall they have it in their power to secure themselves, and to fly.

56:3 �The saints shall exist in the light of the sun, and the elect in the light of everlasting life, the days of whose life shall never terminate; nor shall the days of the saints be numbered, who seek for light, and obtain righteousness with the Lord of spirits.

One verse (17) from Chapter 71, is entirely devoted to the moon and its phases: The sun now returns to the east, entering into the sixth gate, and rising and setting in the sixth gate thirty-one days, on account of its signs.

The deception of lineage- part 1.

58:1 �1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable, I saw that the heaven of heavens shook;�
This 505 and 7/12th years, rules out Enoch the father of Methusaleh, the father of Lamech, the father of Noah. It must refer to Enosh the son of Seth. 415 years into his son, Cainan�s life. Why? Because of this error, 37:1 �The vision which he saw, the second vision of wisdom, which Enoch saw, the son of Jared, the son of Malaleel, the son of Canan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam.

The Enoch described above in 37:1 lived to be 365 years. The Enoch described in 58:1 was alive during his 500th year. But Gen:5:22 records; �And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methusaleh�and all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years.� And this; 64:9 �Afterwards my great-grandfather Enoch seized me with his hand� represents the author as being the Enoch who lived for only 365 years. Note, 365 the exact same number as we attribute to a year, when as previously shown, this author clearly speaks to the year being composed of 12 months plus 5 days in his lunar liturgy.

The Books of Enoch are presumed to have been written between the second century BCE and the second ACE. Egypt�s Roman Period is from 30BCE to 395ACE. The Thoth-Enoch tales, may be the secret behind the pyramids, which is foremost not how they were built, but why and by whom.

This thread which I started, is under the heading of ancient civilizations, and it is at this point that it crosses into religious conspiracies, although very relative to the topic since the two historical concepts will always merge into one. I don�t know if there is really any interest in what I have written, since the picture I have painted thus far is intentionally nondescript, and I don�t know if any moderator even reads this thread and therefore should so decide where it should be placed, but from here anything further I might write becomes far more pointed. So until I am advised further or have direction on where to continue, this is the last post relative to the opening post.

Why Osiris?

Dr. Zahi Hawass, though not too eager to delve into the cavernous underneath of the Khafre causeway, did disclose findings of pottery shards and bones dated to the end of the 26th dynasty, c500BCE. These however are overshadowed by his dating of the shaft itself to 1500BCE.

In the Lower Egypt area between Thebes and Abydos was a town known as Nubt which was excavated by Flinders Petrie and James Quibell. The find of over 2,000 graves in this walled town, initially led Petrie to believe the remains were those belonging to the period; 2181-2055BCE. Petrie later realized that in fact, what he had found was a much older town, reaching back in history to c4000-3100BCE. Thriving in commerce, and community organization, Nadaqa as it is now known, is currently credited as the first town to openly trade merchandise, gold, silver and copper, and traverse the Red Sea and Nile to carry out this commerce with ancient Mesopotamia and Palestine (Canaan). It is here that colour appeared on the artifacts, carving tools took shape and later became more sophisticated. Rich was the land in minerals, in fact so much so, the name itself means Gold(town).

Excavations at this site provided insight into some of Egypt�s earliest age, which represented a vastly different belief system to the more elaborate dynasties of the pharaohs and Gods to follow. Predating the worship of the Ogdoad but favouring Seth over Osiris, the art, architecture and religious aspects were quite simple in comparison to later finds. Mummification was not used, or royal tombs nor pyramids to bury the dead. Instead, graves lined with the pottery possessions of the dead sufficed. Naqada thus far has yielded the earliest finds of hieroglyphs and metal works. The area seemed abundant with fauna from hippopotami to gazelles, snakes to crocodiles. Life in Naqada predated the pharaohs but it was the growth and expansion of the area which gave rise to the unification of Egypt.

Near the delta of the Nile in Upper Egypt lies the great pyramid complexes of the dynasties some 1400 years younger than Naqada. Rife with funerary evidence of pharaohs and queens, and their service to Osiris and Horus, they collectively all lack solid evidence to support that they were in fact the tombs of the pharaohs.

As mentioned earlier, the townsfolk of Naqada were devotees to Seth. It was not until the First dynasty 3100-2686BCE, and much later into the Old Kingdom c2686-2181BCE the age of the great pyramids, that Osiris it seems started to gain in notoriety. By 800BCE, Seth, his brother, was being painted as evil, reduced in godly stature and minimalised. A marked religious transition this presumably arising from the ever changing myths and affiliations throughout the era, and significant because of the hierarchy of the Egyptian gods.

Abydos to the north, and west of the mile by 9.5 miles, is as equally as old, and known as the cult centre of Osiris. It is also the first known place to bury the rulers of unified Egypt. Evidence of pottery shards found in Abydos suggest they hail from the Naqada area, and consequently, one can presume Abydos was a town founded by settlers. Abydos too enjoyed trade with Palestine, in fact Abydos held most of the benefits of Naqada except for its location and early prosperity. The town itself was a buildup of settlements over those before, understandable considering that the earlier settlements are said to be below groundwater.

The tombs of the earliest rulers in both Naqada and Abydos, were mastabas, the same shortened table like structure Egyptologists link to the tombs of the officials of the later days. Tombs in general became more elaborate throughout the course of Egypt�s history, where some very elaborate mastaba tombs of later dynasties have been excavated, evidence put forth that they were obviously a crypt of choice for the true elite. Whether the pharaohs abandoned pyramid tombs for underground resting places, either to thwart robbery or due to the cost as Egyptologists claim, is arguable considering the lack of evidence to support the supposed corpse or its regal status.

The archaeological aging of ancient Egypt is part science, part chronology, similar to the aging of Babylon; the supposed cradle of civilization. If we seek to understand the past as it inherently affects us today, it is necessary to muddle through and try to sort fact from fiction, myth from legend, deception from reason, and as best as we can, remove all bias and preconceived notions in search of that understanding. What we find out in our search can soothe our interest in the progression of man; shock us to the point where we lose faith in ourselves; question our own devoutness, or stun us with the realization that we have been a product of mass duplicity. For me that muddling through was just curiosity, a hunger to learn more, the soothing interest. Now here I am instead, a victim of stunned realization. The scientific age of Babylonia for example as proof of it being the "cradle of civilization," just does not fit.

The following is a brief description of the important Egyptian gods; the possible gateway to man's history.

Hermopolitian Ogdoad (group of eight gods/ 4 pairs). From the Hermopolis Magna, the cult place of Thoth � deals with creation, earliest texts from c2055-1650BCE.-The sun god emerged from a group of 4 pairs of male and female deities, given names to describe the unformed chaos- air, moisture, darkness, eternity etc.

The Ennead (four generations of the 9 major gods) from the Heliopolis � incorporates the next thought of thinking- from one to many. The pyramid texts of the Old Kingdom c2680-2180BCE describes the processes of life. In the beginning, Atum/Re/Ra the creator and sun god, created two opposites of himself; the god Shu(air) and goddess Tefnut (moisture). These two then produced Geb (earth) and Nut (heaven) It is from these two that man was first created in their children; Osiris, Seth, Isis and Nephthys. The Egyptians obviously had no problem with acknowledging incest as the means to begin population. One other myth: Memphite theory, surviving in the Shabaqo Stone, hails from the new kingdom c1550 � 1069BCE, and incorporated new gods associating them with all manner of earthly and human characteristics, the lotus leaf birth and male fertility for example. In this period, Ra became Ptah.

Ra/Re (Atum) Worship of the sun god reached its peak at Heliopolis during the fourth

His children Shu (air) & Tefnut (moisture) parallel the creation of Earth.

Geb- Father of Osiris , Seth, Isis, Nephthys, God of the Earth.

Nut- Mother of - Osiris , Seth, Isis, Nephthys, Goddess of Heaven.

Osiris � Father of Horus, God of the underworld

Isis -Sister and wife of Osiris, mother of Horus.

Seth- God of chaos and confusion. Killed his brother Osiris. But still favour with Ra. C800BCE texts started describing Seth as evil. Some of his statues recarved and his defeat at the hands of Horus celebrated.

Nephthys- Infamous. Supposed wife of Seth, mother of Anubis by Osiris. Protector of the dead

Djeheuty/Thoth � Some say son of Re, others, son of Seth. God of wisdom, a moon God, messenger of the gods. It is said that Thoth authored a text of great importance which would one day be found, and would explain the great secrets.