Giza- What is the Egyptian government hiding?, page 1
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Topic started on 27-8-2004 @ 12:05 PM by SomewhereinBetween
Again I apologize if all of this information is in here somewhere, being new I don't want to search through thousands of threads.

Back in the 90's a man by the name of Rudolf Gantenbrink, after doing extensive computer work on the Khufu's pyramid, which concluded that the theories beinh the shaft were not correct, requested and was granted permission to send a camera equipped and sensing robot into the shafts. His work known as the Upuaut Project, which took several years and was abruptly concluded by Dr. Zahi Hawass the director of Giza's Pyramid excavations and secretary General of head of Egypt's antiquities department, the Supreme Council of Antiquities, upon his finding a limestone slab with copper bands at the end of one shaft.

I will not post the image itself as it is a copyright, the url is below.
www.cheops.org...

His story begins here at his website: www.cheops.org... and his removal is pursued by the Guardian newspaper with the SCA, in the following two links. In order to follow the story all three links should be viewed in the order I provide.

www.towers-online.co.uk...
www.towers-online.co.uk...

A year or two later a visitor to the pyramids, Nigel Skinner-Simpson noticed a sealed off downward shaft at the outside of the causeway and decided to pursue same. His rsearch led him to a book; The Symbolic Prophecy of the Great Pyramid" written by H. Spencer Lewis who spoke of having seen underground tunnels, more subterranean levels, huge sarcophagi and their relation to the Sphinx. As well both Lewis and another authour from 1927/28 presented drawings of the Sphinx and what lies below.




The discovery surfaced again when John Anthony West, an attendee and presenter at the Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E) conference held at Virginia beach in August 1998, gave a report on a presentation by Dr Hawass at the same conference. West reported that Dr Hawass had recently excavated a deep shaft found under the causeway midway between the Khafre pyramid and the Sphinx. The shaft was over a hundred feet deep, and opened into a kind of pillared chamber. In the middle there was a huge sarcophagus half submerged in water. By its style, Hawass placed the sarcophagus in the Saite Period (around 600 BC) and thought that the whole complex was reminiscent of the description given by Herodotus for the supposed tomb of Khufu. Hawass did not think it was Khufu's tomb but he did believe it might be a (or the) Tomb of Osiris, and in some way connected at least symbolically with the Oseirion at Abydos.



The public is not allowed access to these areas, and enter again Dr. Hawass to blur the issue. The full piece is here: www.towers-online.co.uk...

There is a lot of reading, but well worth it. The Egyptian authorities now have information showing a direct correlation of the Sphinx to all the pyramids, as well chambers and tunnels supposedly added to the site during the 26th dynasty, (Khufu was the 4th). But are not willing to share it with the general public.

I'll let you all read the texts.




reply posted on 1-10-2004 @ 04:57 AM by Howard the Dolphin
Originally posted by scorchio123

when the shafts were opened there was two wooden artifacts found which could have been carbon dated, but they strangly dissappeared


Here is some information about the aforementioned wooden artifact(s)

"...the Dixons found three small relics in the shafts. These objects - a rough stone sphere, a small two-pronged hook made out of some form of metal, and a fine piece of cedar wood some 12 centimetres long with strange notches cut into it - were exported from Egypt in the summer of 1872 and arrived safely in England a few weeks later. During the next year or so they were commented upon in books, and even illustrated in scientific and popular magazines such as Nature and the London Geographic. Before the turn of the century, however, they had dissappeared."


To where did the wooden artifact dissapear?

"After doing some more digging we discovered what had happened...they had remained in the hands of the Dixon family for exactly a hundred years. Then, in 1972, Dixon's great-granddaughter had taken them along to the British Museum and had generously donated them to the Egyptian Antiquities Department...Thereafter the relics seemed simply to have been forgotten and only resurfaced in December 1993 because an Egyptologist named Dr Peter Shore happened to read the Independent's story about our search for them."


Sounds simple huh? But there has to be a conspiracy somewhere...right?

..."Rudolph Gantenbrink, the discoverer of the 'door' [within one of the 'shafts' located in the Queen's Chamber], had visited London and given a full lecture at the British Museum to a large group of Egyptologists - including Professor Edwards, Dr Vivian Davies and many others who knew of our search for the 'Dixon' relics. During the lecture, Gantenbrink showed and explained detailed video footage [which]...clearly showed, still lying on the floor of the northern shaft...a metallic hook, and an apparent baton of wood."


This pretty much sums up how I feel about the handeling of the only carbon-datable artifact ever found inside the Great Pyramid, especially by the British Museum's Egyptian Antiquities:

"To be completely honest we found it very difficult to accept that they really could just have been forgotten for twenty-one years [after they were donated] by the British Museum's Egyptian Antiquities Department."


quotes taken from The Message of the Sphinx co-written by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, pages 112, 115, 116


reply posted on 1-10-2004 @ 11:11 PM by SomewhereinBetween
On September 17, 2002, National Geographic, in conjunction with Dr. Hawass, did broadcast a documentary film exploring the shafts for the specific purpose of boring a hole behind the door. What lay behind that door was yet another door. A total of one minute of film was assigned this historic discovery.
Hawass- One day before the show, we found out by Altrosonic that the door in the southern shaft of the Great Pyramid is about six centimeters thick, which implied that there was something behind that door. We decided to drill a three-millimeter diameter hole in the door so we could send a camera behind it. In the last minute of the show, the camera was sent in, and I saw the second door 21 cm. behind the first door.

Hawass seemed willing to pursue further the purposes of these doors, but 2 years later, he is yet to release an update.
We are planning to clean the south shaft from outside to learn if it does open to the outside. If it does, then it is possible that it was a symbolic door for the king to use in crossing to the Netherworld. If it is sealed, we have to return to the Westcar Papyri and read how Khufu was looking for the documents of the god Thoth to help him with the design of his pyramid.

But Hawass offers an explanation:- “It is possible that these doors are evidence that Khufu’s burial chamber might be hidden somewhere inside of his pyramid.” One would think that the only available method short of dismantling the pyramid would be to use ground penetrating radar, Hawass however is not interested, or does he already know what is behind door number two?

In August of this year, two amateur Egyptologists, Gilles Dormion and Jean-Yves Verd'hurt, believed they had indeed discovered another chamber under the Queen’s chamber supporting a fellow peer who in 1986 concluded the same by utilizing a technique called microgravimetry. Hawass declined to allow them access. However, in 1987, 5 years before Hawass’s declaration, a Japanese team emploring electromagnetic waves had already concluded that another chamber existed below the Queen’s. It is noteworthy that Hawass was busy selling his documentary to some Japanese businessmen, rather than the traditional list of Egyptologists. In 1992, Professsor Jean Kerisal utilizing ground penetrating radar added weight to this belief.

Diagrams of the interior of Khufu ends at a subterranean chamber with what appears to be a descending but abruptly ending shaft, protruding from the opposite side of the shaft that enters the chamber. This site offers the best diagram I can find.
ourworld.compuserve.com...

We already know of the tunnels and rooms found under the causeway and their connection to the Sphinx. But other than a few pictures and some scant information, we are told nothing else. It may be that the causeway underground system was constructed much after the great pyramid, given the identification to a later dynasty, and since all we know that the great pyramid was attributed to Khufu, which is based solely on one identification; an inscription found on an interior block. It is possible then that Khufu is not linked via underground to anything, but it is also possible that it in fact is if it is not the age as suggested or has been correctly named.

Next...it may have a history with a persona relegated to apocryphal status.



[edit on 10/1/04 by SomewhereinBetween]
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