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Hamas: 'Resistance' against Israel is only option left for Palestinians

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posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Hamas: 'Resistance' against Israel is only option left for Palestinians


Hamas leader Khaled Meshal addresses Tehran conference 'in support of the Palestinian Intifada'; Iranian supreme leader tells conference that UN bid for statehood will fail.

Hamas leader Khaled Meshal told an international conference in Iran on Saturday that "resistance" was the only option left for the Palestinians.

Meshal was addressing the "5th International Conference in Support of the Palestinian Intifada" in Iran’s capital Tehran.

"Palestinians must resort to resistance no matter how costly it is, until Palestine is free and Israel is destroyed," Meshal said.


Emphesis added by me.

click title for remainer of article.


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posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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This has been a topic of conversation for some time now, and I have maintained that the Palestinian Statehood issue has been hijacked by Hamas and other Arab governments in an effort to justify their war against Israel with the ultimate goal of wiping them off the map.

The ink on the stathood request to the UN has not even been allowed to dry before being thrown to the side by the Hamas / Iranian Government.

Hamas was non committal to a Palestinian state for the singular reason that they would not tie the hands of future palestinians to be able to attack Israel. They were suppose to be a part of the Unity Government, and in the end declined because it would require them to acknowledge Israels right to exist.

At what point are the Paletinian people going to realize they are being used by Hamas / Hezzbullah / Iran / radical groups / unfirendly towards Israel etc etce tc.

Every time talks progress by one step iwth Israel, these radical arab groups are present and do evetrything they can to derail the progress. The paperwork was submitted to the UN and Hamas and the Irnaian government have already declared defeat to justify futher attacks on Israel.

Hamas and the other cowardly radical arab groups / governments will, at all costs, do whatever they can to ensure there will never be a Palestinian State.

The moment a Palestinian State becomes a reality, the radical arab groups will have absolutely no other bs excuses to continue to attack Israel. All the radical arabs / governments / groups will be left with is they want to kill Israelis for the sole reason of hating them and to wipe them off the planet.

Maybe the religious leader in Iran would tone down the talks. Lets see what he had to say -


Khamenei told the conference, which was attended by other by senior Palestinian militant leaders as well as Mashaal, that the Palestinians should not limit themselves to seeking a country based on the pre-1967 borders because "all land belongs to Palestinians."

"Our claim is freedom of Palestine, not part of Palestine. Any plan that partitions Palestine is totally rejected," Khamenei told the conference.

"Palestine spans from the river (Jordan) to the sea (Mediterranean), nothing less."


Ooopps... maybe not.... Maybe the fake protocols of the elders of zion should be retitled to the real protocols of the elders of Hamas and Iran. For all the claims people make about the protocols, its very apparent the goals listed in that forgery is the game plan Hamas / Iran are using. Even wording is the same.... Heck the comments by the people in attendance to that terror metting on the destruction of Israel uses phrases last heard when Germany was building its 3rd Reich.

Hamas is nothing more than an extension of the 3rd Reich, and again this is supported by there continued use of updated Nazi propoganda, phrases and tactics to blame the Jewish people for all the worlds problems.


Apparently Ahmadenijad is not the only Iranian leader calling for the complete and total destruction of Israel. He now has the outspoken support of the Ayatollah himself -


Khamenei also called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that should be removed.


What has been the intentions of Hamas from then until now?

Hamas has repeatedly expressed its opposition to the Palestinian bid for statehood in the UN, led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Last week, Gaza’s Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh accused Abbas.of relinquishing Palestinian rights by seeking recognition for a state in the pre-1967 borders.

"The Palestinian people do not beg the world for a state, and the state can't be created through decisions and initiatives," Haniyeh said. "States liberate their land first and then the political body can be established."


Hamas never supported peace, never will support peace, never supported the acknoqwledgment of Israel, and never will acknowledge it.

Hamas has done nothing but used the Palestinian issue as nothing more than a cowardly justification to kill Israelis.

I really hope the people of gaza will wise up and throw out Hamas. Maybe theyn they will have a real chance of peace and their own homeland.

I said it before, I will say it again.

The goal of the radical islamic groups / radical arab governments dont care about the Palestinian people or their bid for statehood. They (radical groups / governemtns / hamas / etc have held the Palestinian issue hostage and used it to justify the killing of innocent people - Israeli AND Palestinians who get caught in the crossfire when they are used by Hamas as human shields.

Why even wait.... We just need to get it overwith now rather than later.

Groups in the Middle East have tried time and again to end Israel. Maybe its time all the cards are put on the table and we resolve the situation once and for all. The last country standing can claim victory. We are heading that direction anyways because of Hamas and Iran.

Why wait?

Hamas / arab terror groups / Iran etc will do everything they can to derail any agreement for a palestinian state. Once a state is created, Hamas and Iran will no longer be able to hide behind the excuse of a palestinian state in order to kill Israelis.
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posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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fight fight fight!!



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by wlord
fight fight fight!!


Its seems to be the direction certain groups like Hamas re pushing for. Why hide it if thats what they want?

Get it done and overwith... Then maybe things can progress.

What would you suggest / like to see?



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Seems like the op thinks it's ok for Israel to steal the Palestinians land. And there was no Israel when Germany was building the 3rd Reich. Seems like the Zionist that worked with Hitler learned their lessons well. Everything that happens to Israel they deserve. The US says they have a policy of not dealing with terrorist but we seem to have no problem giving billions every year to the terrorist nation of Israel. And according to Clinton Netanyahu killed the peace process.
Bill Clinton: Netanyahu killed the peace process



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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The ink on the stathood request to the UN has not even been allowed to dry before being thrown to the side by the Hamas / Iranian Government.


And before Israel had even started it's "announced" peace talks, they announced even MORE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS HAD BEEN APPROVED...

sounds like neither Hamas or ISRAEL really want peace..

Why do YOU only concentrate on Hamas but fail to mention Israeli actions which clearly show they do not want peace???

Seems like Israel and Hamas are almost working together.



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Not at all, so maybe you should go back and actually read before commenting. Israel is open to a aplestinian State. Hamas and the Iranian government are not, and have never been, contrary to claims by members on this site.

Trying to distract from the the topic, which is to point out Hamas and Iranian positions before the inked dried on the request for full membership from Palestine.

Iran and Hamas have no intrest in peace with Israel, and have no desire to see a palestinian state.

Its not a hard concept to understand or to discuss.

please try to remain on topic.



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Iran and Hamas have no intrest in peace with Israel, and have no desire to see a palestinian state.


Your usual twisted lies..

Show me where they don't want a Palestinian state...

I saw they disagree with the terms of the current request because it calls for the recognition of Israel..
That's NOT the same as saying they don't want a state..

BTW, this is about the 6th thread where you simply REFUSE to comment on the settlements..

Is the new announcement of 1100 illegal homes not proof that Israel are not interested in peace??

Odd how you continually ignore that issue which many, including Abbas, consider the MAJOR issue..



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Not at all, so maybe you should go back and actually read before commenting. Israel is open to a aplestinian State. Hamas and the Iranian government are not, and have never been, contrary to claims by members on this site.

Trying to distract from the the topic, which is to point out Hamas and Iranian positions before the inked dried on the request for full membership from Palestine.

Iran and Hamas have no intrest in peace with Israel, and have no desire to see a palestinian state.

Its not a hard concept to understand or to discuss.

please try to remain on topic.


You mean the Israeli site you linked? I read it now go read the link I put in. Every time Palestine comes to the peace table Israel changes what they want. Israel just keeps dragging this out so they can steal more land.



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Any chance you have source material to show the changing goal post Israeli game you are talking about? Serious request byt the way.

Secondly, this topic has nothign to do with changing goalposts. It bluntly quotes the Ayatollah and Hamas leaderrship calling for the destruction of Israel.

My contention in posting was to show that Hamas, as well as the Iranian Government, have had absolutely NO intterest in peace with israel. Hamas, being elected as the government in Gaza, is to represent the Palestinains. Instead they use to to attack Israel.

Contrary to Israel "shifting goal posts" there has never been a serious effort on the part of Hamas to find peace. Peace to Hamas / Iranian government is the destruction of Israel.

you can come up with all the shifting goal posts you want, but in the end they were never considered by Hamas or Iran. Their goals has been clear - total and complete destruction of Israel.

Exactly how do the actions of Hamas / Iranian government help the palestinian people?



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Exactly how do the actions of Hamas / Iranian government help the palestinian people?


Maybe they realized before the rest of us that the FACT is,

Israel, NEVER did and NEVER will want peace..
They want it all..

Now about those new ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS just announced Xcathdra..
Surely they are relevant to the current situation but you REFUSE to acknowledge them as part of the problem..

Kinda shows YOUR bias mate..You tell half a story..



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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From your website..

The United States, Europe and Arab states have said that the announcement of new construction in Gilo would complicate efforts to renew peace talks and defuse the crisis over the Palestinian UN statehood bid.

Britain and the European Union called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to reverse the decision, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said new settlement building would be "counter-productive.

www.haaretz.com...

Seems everyone agrees these new settlements are a real problem in the peace process but YOU continue to ignore them and instead blame Hamas.Iran or any other Arab you can think of...

Pathetic attempt at telling half truths mingled with lies..



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Ever since moses croaked and the rest of em waded over the river to commit genocide upon the Jebbusites, Hittites, and others,This has been Jewish land.
Is that what this is all about?
These egyptian immigrants slaughtering the locals and moving into their "promised" land?
What right does any man have to the land anyways?
6 feet is all hes gonna get in the end ....
Seems like somebodys promised land is always inhabited by somebody else.......
The victors then write the history.
The less loosers left, the more one sided the history.
The middle east is like a cultivated cancer.
The "doctors dont want to fix it because too many "specialists are making a living off of it.
The palestinians have to be weary of such oppression as the \jews must be weary of dishing it out.
The protagonists are reeling and on the ropes mentally and spiritually....
It is obviously the goverments and the PTB who manipulate the death tolls and decide whos getting bombed or shot at.
The people who dont have to kill or be killed are the corruting inflence over the ones that end up taking part.On both sides.
Since when did Yssar Arafat become a Billionaire?
Yet when he died, this "poor arab left a fortune for the palestininian state to try to get back....
Its everyone in power thatskeeping this thing going for their own selfish reasons...
Perhaps Netanyahus nephew is into palestinian real estate?
These leaders come and go, but when they go, remember most end up living in luxury the rest of their lives, no matter what stripe they may be.



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by stirling
Ever since moses croaked and the rest of em waded over the river to commit genocide upon the Jebbusites, Hittites, and others,This has been Jewish land.
Is that what this is all about?
These egyptian immigrants slaughtering the locals and moving into their "promised" land?
What right does any man have to the land anyways?
6 feet is all hes gonna get in the end ....
Seems like somebodys promised land is always inhabited by somebody else.......
The victors then write the history.
The less loosers left, the more one sided the history.
The middle east is like a cultivated cancer.
The "doctors dont want to fix it because too many "specialists are making a living off of it.
The palestinians have to be weary of such oppression as the \jews must be weary of dishing it out.
The protagonists are reeling and on the ropes mentally and spiritually....
It is obviously the goverments and the PTB who manipulate the death tolls and decide whos getting bombed or shot at.
The people who dont have to kill or be killed are the corruting inflence over the ones that end up taking part.On both sides.
Since when did Yssar Arafat become a Billionaire?
Yet when he died, this "poor arab left a fortune for the palestininian state to try to get back....
Its everyone in power thatskeeping this thing going for their own selfish reasons...
Perhaps Netanyahus nephew is into palestinian real estate?
These leaders come and go, but when they go, remember most end up living in luxury the rest of their lives, no matter what stripe they may be.



the lone voice of clarity and logic.

Thank you



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 06:20 AM
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Israel has never liked a peace treaty yet, ever, and clearly the OP only wants to talk about demonizing Palestinians, and not discuss, Israel blatant criminal activity's.

To be quite frank, Israel is just taking the piss, just doing as they please, and then cry to everyone they are hard done by, pro Israel threads like this one, is just more poor old Israel garbage, and to compair Hamas to the 3rd Reich, is just beyond belief, Honestly.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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This is nothing new coming out of Hamas, and it has been their mission statement since group was established. The rhetoric coming out of Iran at the conference is nothing new, and everyone knows they love to stir-up the pot when dealing with their radical friends Hamas and Hezbollah. I don't see them ever getting a state of their own adjacent to Israel with conduct like this. They preach hate, death, and destruction. Who would want someone like that as their next door neighbor? I know I would not.

As it stands now, as long as the Palestinians continue down this course of advocating violence and destruction, I see no reprieve from settlement expansion or further incursions into so-called Palestinian territory by Israel. That is the fact of the matter. The Palestinians are in a state of disarray, and the Israelis are capitalizing off of it. Things would be quite different if the Palestinians would stop the violence, break the chains of their vile benefactors, and make efforts to unify their position. Israel would have to take notice, and would have to acknowledge them as they aspire to statehood. Moreover, it would strengthen their support from the international community to press Israel on the matter. As it stands now, I think the Palestinian statehood situation at the UN was a political stunt. It seems the countries are on the fence about giving support to the Palestinian cause. Now, they have their radical regimes supporting them, but that is about it.

How can Israel take the Palestinians seriously when they continue talking about their destruction, and conquering every square inch of Israel? The Israelis are there and they are not going anywhere. The only feasible and logically step forward is to compromise. If things don't change, there will never be a compromise or agreement if the Palestinians don't change their tactics and marching orders. The Israelis will continue striking back when attacked, gobbling up land, and ignoring the Palestinians. The information in the OP is nothing new, and they are just reinforcing their long held beliefs and ideologies.
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posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Palestinian Statehood issue has been hijacked by Hamas and other Arab governments in an effort to justify their war against Israel


Israel didn't occupied Palestine soil ?

Palestine was a country occupied by UK until 1948 when the Zionists deiced to take over the land and UK handed Palestine to them .

While those savages started their massacre and terror , the UN was watching the whole mess and international community was closing her eyes on that foolish reasons like Holocaust.

Holocaust was a myth

and every one knew it. So decided to not talk about this international fraud.

As Ahmadi-nejad decided to talk about and challenge this lie , Zionism supporting governments were telling every one that he is antisemitism ( the foolish label)

So far , we know about Zionism supporting govts and this is clear that they are a threat to independent Islamic countries . So Islamic countries are a threat for Israel , too.


Prior to and during this conflict, 713,000[28] Palestinian Arabs fled their original lands to become Palestinian refugees, in part, due to an alleged promise from Arab leaders that they would be able to return when the war had been won. Many Palestinians fled from the areas that are now present-day Israel as a response to alleged massacres of Arab towns by militant Jewish organizations like the Irgun and the Stern Gang (See Deir Yassin massacre). The War came to an end with the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and each of its Arab neighbours.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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You tell half a story..


They always tell the half for they are diss-info agents.

They always try to manipulate.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom
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You tell half a story..


They always tell the half for they are diss-info agents.

They always try to manipulate.


Yet you and the others in your merry band of misrule offer nothing to support your claims while constantly stating the information is wrong.

Ironic.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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You missed the point.

Israel and Jordan have a peace treaty, and still do.

Israel and Egypt have a peace treaty, and currently still do - However Egypt, not Israel, are the ones discussing ending it.

Israel and Turkey have a peace treaty, yet its turkey is talking about ending it.
As far as the rest of the Middle East its kind of difficult for ISrael to get peace treaties when Arab governments continue to call for its destruction.

So because Iran, Syria and the bulk of arab countries are stuck in the 9th century and cant live alongside Jews without resorting to attacking them, which Arab countries have done in the past, the present, and based on the article the forseable future, its Israelis problem?

Your logic is lacking.

Israel, after the 67 war, offered to return all occupied land in exchange for recognition and peace treaties. Arab governments turned their noses up at it.

As far as the Hamas / Iran being the topic - Maybe you should go back and read the title fo the thread and the article, since it deals with... wait for it...... wait for it.... Militants / Hamas and Iran calling on the destruction of Israel.

The attempts by the same group of people over and over and over and over do their best to derail these threads, and they fail every single time.

Maybe you and them would like to contribute something to the thread other than name calling, saying the information is a lie etc?

You can also discuss the holocaust is a lie Bs in those threads as well. On the off chance you cant find any of those threads, check the hoax forums as they may have been moved there.


A good example of what to bring would be facts / sources that support your claims. When you bring that, feel free to join back into the conversation. If all you want to do is name call and go after the Us and ISrael, go to a different thread. There are about 10k or so from 2011 so feel free to join in one of those.


Back to being on topic.
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