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Do we really want to live like this for 4 more years?

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posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 09:27 AM
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"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million last year, while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million, the Census Bureau reported Thursday"


www.cnn.com...


I don't know about any of you, but I think our country is in major trouble. Our national debt is ridiculously high when Clinton brought it WAY DOWN. People are losing jobs left and right and poverty levels are at a high!!!!! I don't think we should allow the current administration to stay in office another 4 yrs. What's going to happen next? We are already involved in a war that we have no business being in and when and if the soldiers come back they have no jobs to come home to. That means unemployment will go up yet again. I think it's time for Bush to go back to Texas!!!!! I'm ready to call it quits on Bush! It's time for the American public to take back our FREE country and let our voices be heard. People entire this country in droves b/c they hear "AMERICA IS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY"! Eventually people will be considering us a 3rd world country! Just my opinion!




posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:15 AM
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The sad part is we probably will endure another 4 years of mismanagement, scare tactics, lies and fiscal irresponsibility. It astounds me that the average American is perfectly content while being lied to, ripped off, sent to foreign shores to fight an illegitimate war, lose their jobs and go cheerfully down the toilet to financial ruin, as the whole world looks on in amazement and disgust.

What happened to America? I think we've all gone mad! It's beyond my comprehension that such an arrogant, self-serving administration that has done so much damage to our nation and it's standing in the world can still have so much support from it's citizens. Either we've been subjected to some kind of mass mind control or we've all become stupid. I guess it's OK with us Americans that we're being screwed royally and not even getting so much as a kiss. We must be masochists. We're getting kicked in the teeth and we seem to enjoy it!

I agree, it's time for a change. Boy, this ONCE GREAT nation is really going to hell on a bobsled ... We're becoming a 2nd class nation very quickly, and most of us are too stupid to care. What a shame ...



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:18 AM
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The Bush administration is trying hard to put a positive spin on this, saying "well, this doesn't take into account the last few months of data." This is supposed to make us forget about the previous problems.

You might also consider Bush's response to this -- he is staying at his ranch here in Texas (on vacation, as he has been for about 40% of the time he's been in office), working on his speech for the RNC. Yes, George, another speech in your carefully controlled political setting, made to people who have signed a loyalty oath to you, is going to get us out of the situation we're in.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:26 AM
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That's bull crap also. He's in Texas enjoying his "vacation" he's not worried about an RNC speech. Condeleeza Rice has that covered for him. Go back to when the Terror strikes hit us and remember his speech! It was ridiculous. He has no intelligence at all. Then all of a sudden he's supposed to be this eloquent speaker? BS...once Condeleeza saw that State of the Union address, she whispered to him to never speak publically again until she approves his speech! I'm kidding not sure if that really happened but darn it if the man sounded illiterate then and isn't much better now. If there weren't so many darned people that liked him so much I would swear he was the anti-christ. Americans are just going to bend over and "take it up the tailpipe" like they have been for the past 4 yrs!

[edit on 27-8-2004 by WuvLove]



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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bush doesn't give a fawk about black community



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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Either he's re-elected again by the misguided "christians", or he will get to stay under "mysterious" circumstances.
Whichever way, evil will prevail.
And who's fault is it?
The people of the United States of America.
People who complain all the time but are too chicken to take action.
People who believe Bush & Co. will guide them to salvation.

I think we are rather deserving of whatever we get.
We will welcome Nazi regime with open arms because we're stupid and then spend the rest of our lives complaining and kicking ourselves for it.
Think of your children if nothing else.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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We have got to show Bush the door in 2004. I can't believe anyone would want to see 4 more years like these last 4, if he is re-elected it will only get worse. But a lot of people I talk to about him seem to think he is the answer to all the problems in the world. They must still be able to afford their prozac.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 05:26 PM
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Goose, if he's re elected, he'll become REAL dangerous, cause he doesnt have to care about being elected again. If we give him 4 more years, this country(what's left of it) will be totally destroyed. Somehow I dont see Bush steping down as president. He will remain in power under "suspicious" circumstances. You watch.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Goose, if he's re elected, he'll become REAL dangerous, cause he doesnt have to care about being elected again. If we give him 4 more years, this country(what's left of it) will be totally destroyed. Somehow I dont see Bush steping down as president. He will remain in power under "suspicious" circumstances. You watch.


I totally agree, read my post again, I was agreeing with you. Since Bush has been in my family has become one of those affected greatly, hubby almost did not find a job, he looked for 7 months and finally found one for 6.00 less an hour and still he has no health insurance not for 2-3 more weeks. he got sick a few weeks ago the ER bill is over 1800.00, we don't qualify for any help. Believe me i do not relish four more years with Bush as President. My Mom who is 69 years old told me that she always wanted to be younger and had always wished she could 16 again, the other day she said that with Bush as president she did not wish that anymore. My brother died of cancer in May of this year, he did not have any health insurance and they did not do any expensive tests until his medicaid came through (a social worker signed him up for it at the hospital due to him being so sick he could not work) so by the time they did the tests (MRI)they found he had cancer, prostate cancer, it was already in his bones and we found out on Tuesday he would die, he died that Friday at 3:55 am. Not having access to good medical care can kill you, it killed my brother.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 09:50 PM
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Goose, I'm very sorry- I totally understand. My family is in the same predicament yours is in. I pray we stay healthy, but with all this added stress, who knows. Its easy for young kids to shoot off here and claim everything's wonderful. I doubt if any elites are posting here. Many people have terrible hardship, and like you, dont qualify for anything. I dont want handouts- i've never taken any. But I personally cant afford insurance right now. And medications? Ha! Everytime I think how the rest of the world gets theirs at a fraction of our cost, it just makes me sick.
Its a joke. Then they arrest a little old man for going over the border and buying his wife's medications. Its either food or meds. Take your pick.
Maybe Kerry will change this so that we can avail ourselves of some insurance not requiring: 1)blind head of household2)must have 6 children under the age of 5 living with you3)Must have 1 bedroom apartment.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 11:23 PM
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Thank you, dgtempe. yep there are a lot of us in the same boat. Kerry has said he will pretty much use the same eonomic plan Clinton used which created jobs and slowed the dificit. He also said he would try to slow the businesses moving overseas and try to keep them here. I sure hope people come to their senses and really watch the elections so they can't cheat again and don't vote for Bush, right now in some polls he is running neck and neck with Kerry. I don't know how the man has done such a horrible job and still have any support.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 09:30 PM
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Gee, I wonder why Powell isnt going to Greece.



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 04:28 AM
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I couldn't agree more with every post I've read so far. This country has really gone down the tube since George W took office. There's not a single positive thing I can think of that this administration has accomplished. Not one single accomplishment. How the American people can continue to give there support to a mentally retarded, self-absorbed, religious fanatic with a John Wayne complex, after all the damage he's done over the past 4 years, is beyond me. It will take a gereration to repair the damage and right the wrongs that he alone has done.

The rest of the world is appalled and shocked by our nation's behavior. We've lost any respect we might have once had around the world. On the one hand we've become the laughing stock for the rest of the world for having a moron as a "leader" (he even looks like Alfred E. Newman), while on the other hand they're scared as hell of us because he's a loose gun, prone to irrational, psychotic behavior. We've become a threat to every civilized nation on this planet. Everyone fears they may be next on the pre-emptive strike list.

While our country is heading rapidly down the road to bankruptcy, our leader is foolishly spending hundreds of billions of OUR dollars on a war based upon a pack of lies, against a nation that was no real threat to us. Lies carefully constructed to satisfy George W's own "personal agenda". Talk about arrogant and self-serving! And all the while, he's laughing at us the whole way, making no apologies and having no regrets. And to make matters worse, our nation's people are loving it and behind him all the way! What happened?! Has our country's educational system sunk so low as to produce a generation of total idiots? I guess it has. What else could possibly explain this situation? We've become zombies, cheerfully following George W down the road leading to the gates of hell. It's unnerving.

This is not the country it once was. We have become a small-minded, self-absorbed, arrogant society. History has shown that this kind of arrogance is short-lived, though, and is destined to self-destruct. Just like the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans before us, our greed, lust and delusions of grandeur will, in the end, be our own downfall.

What a pity. And what a waste ...



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 05:06 AM
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I don't think an "election" will matter. It didn't matter last time and it won't this time either. Our country is headed down the tubes, and we aren't in control anymore.

Now, you can come out and call me crazy, or say that "We are in control!" and that's fine, but are we really? Is this how you would run the country? How many people do you know that could make as many mistakes as this president? WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL.

How I wish McCain won the republican primary in 2000...we would be a MILLION TIMES BETTER OFF.



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 05:14 AM
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And another thing...ALL THE ISSUES ASIDE!!

What is the mood in the country? Bitter division, gloom, and an uncertain future. AND not because of terrorism. It's our President.

Whatever side of the aisle you are on, you can't think that this atmosphere is good for America. And if you do, or you just blame democrats, you are a bitter partisan who doesn't deserve to be a part of America.

How can I just come out and say that?

I am no democrat. I am independent, because I don't believe in either of these parties. However, Bush has overstepped the bounds of normal Republicans. He is not a Republican. He is a dangerous individual, who uses him down home country charm to disarm those against him, to get what he wants.

Kerry may be a pompous elite, and he may shift with the polls, but I sometimes wonder what's so bad about that?

Before Kerry, I always thought of what I would do if I was President. I would ask the people what they want...it's OUR COUNTRY. And unfortunately, too much is at stake this time around, and Bush needs to be removed.

Think about it like this: If Bush is ultra conservative and Kerry is an ultra liberal, then we've had 4 years of one, now let's balance it out with 4 years of the other, and make a GOOD decision to save America in 2008.

Please. America is supposed to be the greatest country on this planet, and it should be, but we are not being represented, and we are not achieving our potential.

We CAN do better. Much better.

[edit on 29-8-2004 by cstyle226]

[edit on 29-8-2004 by cstyle226]



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 05:16 AM
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George Bush is a wonderful human being, a good man and we shouldn't question what he is doing. We are much safer with him in office and he does what he says. .....

I live in Phoenix, Arizona and I have to put up with this type attitude all day long from these yahoos who claim citizenship. It scares the BeJesus out of me to think this administration's actions are supported by such a large number of Americans. We have become the laughing stock of the free world, our economy has tanked, we are fighting a war which benefits a few of daddy Bush's buddies and there is no effective response to W's blatant attempt to further businesses interest, gut the Constitution and destroy our environment.

I can't even turn on our local radio or TV stations without hearing a biased report on the days events. "We report. You decide." The local talk radio is dominated by right thinking white guys swearing their undying support for our subnormal Commander in Chief. Anyone who calls in and opposes popular sentiment is shouted off the air by the talk show hosts.

I know this is just a frightening swing of our political pendulum, but I fear we will be stuck on fascist for ever. This country deserves everything it gets. American's are happy as long as their flabby asses are planted on their corduroy couches watching reality TV and NASCAR love fests. (Big news for you American sports fans, George W. Bush was a sassy male cheerleader at Yale. How does that settle with your big tough "F" the rest of the world image of Georgie Boy?) The only way you are going to hear a squeak out of the average citizen is when they can no longer get 0 percent financing for their DVD player equipped monster trucks.

It seems as if nothing short of Americans taking back the White House with pitchforks and brickbats will do the trick. (No Ashcroft, I'm not advocating a revolution here). Stealing the Presidency of the USA has precedence and the Republicans will stop at nothing to keep George and Jeb in office.



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 05:19 AM
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Edited by the Thought Police.

[edit on 29-8-2004 by cstyle226]



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 05:38 AM
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Wow! I am extremely impressed by all your attitudes here!! it's great to see some like minded individuals about the illegitimate bush regime on ATS!

This guy stole the election, his administration are the "neo-conservatives" and have corporate and oil ties that no politician in the West should be able to get away with, they spend money that isn't even yours on weapons that won't make the slightest impact on the war on terror, they only care for the rich and have abandoned the poor.

Goose and dgtempe I truly feel sorry for you. I can't believe that you don't have access to free, quality healthcare and that the job your husband could get pays so little and no benefits!! its outrageous! Please consider moving to Canada! It's a disgrace that the most powerful nation on earth lets a US citizen perish due to such medical negligence due to greed.

Please vote for John Kerry or Ralph Nader. Kerry may be rich but he's a good man at heart who has morales, is a true patriot and can question when his nation is doing something wrong (Vietnam, US soldiers did commit atrocities and they are sadly repeating it in Iraq and Afghanistan) and cares for the environment, jobs and healthcare. What America needs is the most liberal guy in the senate (trust me he ain't that liberal though compared to other western nations
) to try and set things right for the American people.

Ralph Nader if he could get the votes would be the best candidate you could vote for in the election. This is a man who truly cares for the people. But it's a risk to vote for him due to how close US elections have been in the past and the gore-bush debacle in 2000.

I truly hope that the past 4 years has made a lot more Americans aware of politics and ready to participate in democracy. Around 50% turnout is a disgrace. Everyone should have to vote.

I see on television that a lot of US citizens say they like bush because he sticks by what he says and dislikes Kerry because he flip-flops. But I think this, why would you want a leader to not be able to see that his wrong and change his decision?? I would want a leader who ways up both sides and makes a choice and if he/she is provided with new evidence or reasoning could be able to change his/her decision.

Bush is an idiot, his administration is corrupt and crazy. They are the real terrorists.

VOTE KERRY OR NADER 2004! You won't regret it!

thanks,
drfunk



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 06:17 AM
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DrFunk,

While what you say is right, and while you see some thinking people on ATS, it isn't the norm. Unfortunately, America has become mindless. The people that think and speak out are called "wackos" and immediately discredited.

Nader is maginalized by the corporate media. The Libertarian Candidate isn't even mentioned anywhere on the corporate news.

America has fallen into dangerous hands, and I just don't think anyone can stop the Bush administration from stealing this 2004 election as well. They have brainwashed their followers, and they are loving it.

Kerry can't stop Bush. I'm going to vote for Kerry, but I know what the results will be.

And 2 months from now, we'll all be on these forums asking ourselves, "How did this happen AGAIN?"



posted on Aug, 29 2004 @ 07:22 AM
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Unbelievable. While I really do not like Bush and dislike him more every time I have to defend the idiot, allow me to point out a couple of things.

Clinton did not lower the deficit, that was a fiscal slight of hand. Pay attention, huh.

More people are below the poverty level? Interesting, as there are no other indicators that would point to that. Could it be maybe a tinkering with what one calls "poverty" (they love to play with that, depending on who is in office), what groups are being looked at as compared to earlier numbers, a higher number of illegal immigrants (My area is being overrun by illegals), and the mere fact that figures don't lie but liars figure?


Everywhere I see, jobs are on the upswing. Unemployment is good, even the illegals are doing well enough to send most of their earnings out of country while spending a good chunk in the local Wal-Marts.

If one will try and recall, the nation was already going into a recession when Bush took office, and the economy was further crippled by something some of you seem to have forgotten. It occurred on 11 Sept., 2001; jog any memories? While nobody can deny that the president and this congress have spent more than their share of our money in the last four years, the spending would not have been as high were it not for the little thing called a war! That is one of the few things those Washington Bozos are actually supposed to do with our tax money - defend the nation.

Yo, Phyto, stop being part of an ethnic "community" and be a regular citizen. ASk not what your country can give to you, but what you can do for yourself, therby helping your country.

cstyle226, let me assure you, while Kerry's voting record does indicate that he is the most liberal politician in Congress, Bush is no conservative. Bush is a politician only wanting to have a second term in the oval office. He and Clinton have more in common than either party would like to admit.
As far as what would be the matter with Kerry waffling, switching opinions with the wind, and being a poll-watcher, that is not what a "leader" does. We do not need a mob-rule follower, I'm sure that makes sense to you, right? Problem is, neither are very good choices, huh? Ever thought that this situation might have been orchestrated by a power that controls the Washington power from behind, partial from across the ocean?



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