The world does not have to end

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by dudeguyman

 

Do you think the sun will keep shinning forever? one day it will supernova.

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yes that is a fact... as far as its known

do you think that will be soon? Or even that you might be witness to such an event in your lifetime?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by dudeguyman

 

Do you think the sun will keep shinning forever? one day it will supernova.

edit on 4-10-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

yes that is a fact... as far as its known

do you think that will be soon? Or even that you might be witness to such an event in your lifetime?

I believe Jesus will return in my lifetime and a new earth will be made, but as for the sun i think it will ether be re-made or rejuvenated.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration
I believe Jesus returned in the lifetime of the Apostles, just like he said he would.
He returned to heaven.
He came again into "his kingdom" at the same time as he "returned".

reply to post by jmdewey60


Would help if what you just typed made any sense what so ever.

If he came again then why is the world still full off sinners?

Oh yeah i forgot your just making up nonsense.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration
I see, you are still waiting for the Messiah.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Awen24

 

Seriously though, in terms of the philosophy I'm stressing... what I'm saying is that the End Times are characterised by a falling away, and not by some great return to Christianity and the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth (which, from what I've seen, is what you believe, correct me if I'm wrong).

I was brought up a Seventh Day Adventist, which is I guess to label it, pre-millennial, post-tribulation rapture eschatology. This is what I have always held up to at least two weeks ago. I have taken a much harder look at what all that is based on, including what the individual Greek words mean, and I have come away not believing any of it. I think the end of the world was just as Jesus said it would be, which was when he was crucified. The end of what was prophesied, maybe more approprietly. Like I said, this way of looking at it is new to me and I don't have it all worked out yet or even know how to define it, other than maybe, Amillennialism, something I need to look into.

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I think... no, I know... that if you take your time and study both the Old and New Testaments in depth, you'll find that to be an untenable position. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, the OT minor and major prophets speak constantly about Christ's return, and the millenial kingdom. Christ didn't return in the lifetime of the apostles. If He had, he'd have failed miserably... because of the mountainous volume of unfulfilled prophecies. When did God "put Jesus' enemies under his feet", or "establish His throne on His holy hill, Zion", or any one of ten thousand other things? When, as in Zechariah 12:10, did Israel "look on the one they have pierced, and mourn as one mourns for an only child"? When did the entire nation of Israel experience revival, as in Zechariah 12? When did God "write His Word on their hearts" so that "no man will teach another" (Jeremiah 34)?

There is far too much in Scripture that remains unfulfilled. The beliefs that you're espousing (and I'm not being critical here, I should stress... you're obviously seeking with some degree of honesty and integrity, and I respect that) will force you into a symbolic and non-literal interpretation of Scripture, and that's a really dangerous position to be in... just as it's dangerous to allow the works of man to dictate your interpretation of God's Word (as you have with several texts). Be really careful with that. I heard a really great quote the other day, and it went something like this:

"I have never made the mistake of taking the Bible too literally... but the more I read, the more I learn, the more history unfolds, the more convinced I am that I haven't taken it literally enough!"

reply to post by Awen24

. . .will force you into a symbolic and non-literal interpretation of Scripture, and that's a really dangerous position to be in... just as it's dangerous to allow the works of man to dictate your interpretation of God's Word (as you have with several texts)

I've always taken these things in the most literal way possible. Most people never even heard of the SDA Church, much less the eschatology they believe in, so my pointing that out apparently is not helpful so I should describe it a bit by saying it is like I said, the most literal way possible to take all the supposedly end time prophecies. I doubt I could live long enough to where I would end up seeing everything being symbolic, other than Revelation which to me now is something that describes itself as being visions of imagery which are symbols.
I am going down a literal interpretation but based on a more (to me) literal translation of the verses the basic concepts of are based on.
Feel free to point out where I allow the works of man dictate my interpretation. I always invite criticism because I am not always able to see myself objectively.

Amen Awen24

I agree so much with what you said here

"will force you into a symbolic and non-literal interpretation of Scripture, and that's a really dangerous position to be in... just as it's dangerous to allow the works of man to dictate your interpretation of God's Word (as you have with several texts). Be really careful with that. I heard a really great quote the other day, and it went something like this: "I have never made the mistake of taking the Bible too literally... but the more I read, the more I learn, the more history unfolds, the more convinced I am that I haven't taken it literally enough!"

So here is my point; 1st Satan hasnt risen yet, but when SHe does there is no reason not to believe s/he will not be the bride of Christ and the Daughter of GOD saince Man alaready killed GOD's Son. GOD will do as the scripture says and give it to another. This other will also be a Heir to the throne or the Daughter of GOD's because due to male and female made he them; is the only choice left. There is a Queen of Heaven and a Queen of the South; that Jesus said would rise up; so Jesus Christ as the king of kings, is entitled to a Queen and this queen shall be a female or woman. The world will not end until the entire mystery is revealed.




reply to post by Awen24

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

If he came again then why is the world still full off sinners?

Pull that log out of your eye and you will see God at work and not sinners.



With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I really wish i could make any sense out of your post's, but unfortunately all i see is arrogance and a man that is stuck in his ways. May Yeshua Ha`Mashiach bless you and lead you on a path of repentance.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Oh the irony! please shoot me LOL.

reply to post by flyingfish
I was willing to let the thread just die, but since you bring it up, it does seem quite ironic to me, I just didn't want to be the first one to say that since I am involved, so not exactly the most objective.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
all i see is arrogance and a man that is stuck in his ways.

Psst... That's the LOG.

With Love,

Your Brother