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Originally posted by juveous
reply to post by YouAreDreaming
But see, I was under the impression it was true, but doesn't have the same implications you are suggesting. We know we are made of atoms, and we know atoms are in all matter (regarding technicalities with particles). To see the "me" in all things, is no different than to closely exam all things to see the similarities. It is like saying everything in the universe is me because it is all the same stuff just organized a bit differently. But that ends up begging the question of natural order, and we have a very diverse planet. The natural order suggests that there is a drive to distinguish. Distinguish what is beneficial, harmful, secure, what is fun and what is true. All accompanied by the will and capability to survive. My point is, to see everything as me, may not to some, but to some others it may disrupt the natural order to distinguish, and create a false sense of identity to other people, objects and abstractions
Originally posted by juveous
We may be all interconnected, but I only sense that some people may bridge those connections without knowing the order.
Originally posted by juveous
Sometimes I like the notion that you are me, and I am you, and to an extent I believe that, but only under broad generalizations. The fact is people are affected differently, develop different habits, learn differently and appear different and we have thoughts only ourselves can hear. There is so much subjective experience that you can't help but to distinguish yourselves from others, unless of course you don't want to, but then you have no use for variety which is that, the spice of life.
Originally posted by juveous
I'm only arguing alternative impressions to the notion because people are affected differently.
The fact that you can remember your past life is an enigma all on its own to me. But apparently there are many people like this.
Don't get me wrong, I cannot grasp the idea of not existing, and for what it's worth, eternity is one of the few things that makes sense to me. I do however, tread lightly on identity for psychological reasons.edit on 29-10-2011 by juveous because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by juveous
reply to post by YouAreDreaming
All i mean by knowing the order, is the cause and effect that creates the diverse life and matter.
Im comfortable with stating that we are the universe experiencing itself, but it is the experience i know from this body. Im not entirely sure if existence and experience are interchangeable.
edit on 30-10-2011 by juveous because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sickscent
reply to post by YouAreDreaming
"I do not die, I awaken to the dream I lived." A personal favorite of mine.
Originally posted by iwantmygoldback1933
Great thread. I myself understand what your talking about and believe you can catch a glimpse of the future in your dreams or maybe as you dream you are creating reality and as were awake were just living out what we already know is going to happen. Story time!
One night, about 5 years ago i dream t of this girl adding me on myspace. I woke up so sure it had already happened but once I logged on, there her request was. Cheesy example but one that creeped me out at the time. Im sure ive dreamed of stuff which has happened in my awake life plenty of times, i just have to pay more attention to my dreams and put the pieces together.
cheers
Originally posted by iwantmygoldback1933
Great thread. I myself understand what your talking about and believe you can catch a glimpse of the future in your dreams or maybe as you dream you are creating reality and as were awake were just living out what we already know is going to happen. Story time!
Originally posted by iwantmygoldback1933
One night, about 5 years ago i dream t of this girl adding me on myspace. I woke up so sure it had already happened but once I logged on, there her request was. Cheesy example but one that creeped me out at the time. Im sure ive dreamed of stuff which has happened in my awake life plenty of times, i just have to pay more attention to my dreams and put the pieces together.
cheers
Originally posted by ecossiepossie
When I was young I used to know I was dreaming an be able to do what I wished in my dreams .I gradually lost the abilty to be aware in my dreams as I grew older.By the time I reached 12 or 13 it was gone.Thease days no matter how bizzare my sleep dreams are I am unable to realize that Im sleep dreaming....Thankyou for this thread .