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Originally posted by Brotherman
OldCorps
Does anyone know anything about the other American killed in the drone strike Samir Kahn apparently he wrote a web magazine called inspire? I guess TPTB saw an opportunity for a 2for. I read about him in an article published in the lebanon daily news on Oct 1st
Originally posted by joshter
LOL You're ridiculous. YOU have zero credibility. What kind of law says that Osama is innocent? Why do you disagree with any of the evidence that the government has on the guy?
Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by OldCorp
You did mention him in the OP why I find it important is that somehow he is painted to be just as bad and through the media source I read through almost any kinds of unimportant but none the less he is a citizen too, that makes 2 Americans murdered I thought this thread was about the dealings of an american citizen without proper trial this particular assassination deals with 2 Americans that were destroyed without due process in the same incident maybe one was on the CIA whack a mole list but what about the other? Makes me curious about the other ones involved that remain nameless
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by joshter
LOL You're ridiculous. YOU have zero credibility. What kind of law says that Osama is innocent? Why do you disagree with any of the evidence that the government has on the guy?
Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter at all.
It's not a matter for legal proceedings.
Bin Laden was neither a US Citizen nor inside US borders. US law can't be applied to that situation by ANY yardstick. We can't just arbitrarily start extending US jurisdiction to the entire planet, although, apparently, there are imperialists around who think we can.
Originally posted by dubiousone
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by joshter
LOL You're ridiculous. YOU have zero credibility. What kind of law says that Osama is innocent? Why do you disagree with any of the evidence that the government has on the guy?
Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter at all.
It's not a matter for legal proceedings.
Bin Laden was neither a US Citizen nor inside US borders. US law can't be applied to that situation by ANY yardstick. We can't just arbitrarily start extending US jurisdiction to the entire planet, although, apparently, there are imperialists around who think we can.
It sounds to me like you're saying the U.S. "can't" or shouldn't apply American civil and criminal justice, due process, and procedural rights outside U.S. borders, no?
But it's OK with you that the U.S. applies the force of its military power and kills whomever it wills anywhere in the world it wishes.
Am I reading you correctly?
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Dude became a threat the second he swore his allegiance to the enemy. American or not you get dealt with the same way dude got his. We get a little touchy feelly and emotional when it comes to allegiance. Swear it to the USA above all others and you're good, wish for her destruction and watch what happens.
He declared himself an enemy of America and swore on it's destruction. Does this not matter? Does the fact he was involved in terror attacks not mean a thing. His actions led to the death of our servicemen directly.
How's that for nearly $10 Million in saved money for food, housing, healthcare, electricity for what would've been the rest of his life?edit on 3-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OldCorp
We're Americans G DAMN IT! We are BETTER than that! (At least we used to be.)edit on 10/1/2011 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dubiousone
It sounds to me like you're saying the U.S. "can't" or shouldn't apply American civil and criminal justice, due process, and procedural rights outside U.S. borders, no?
But it's OK with you that the U.S. applies the force of its military power and kills whomever it wills anywhere in the world it wishes.
Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by nenothtu
Please google: blowback, there is only one blowback that has to do with this, don't bother being smart with your 6million hits for blowback, puhlease.
You claim to be this macho American
that does not accept any form of attack and will 'spill blood' to see it through
but your own constitution is being raped in front of your eyes but you can't see it. That is a war and terror on your rights but you outright refuse to accept it.
I asked who is the president to use his signature to assassinate an American and you merely just explained what the CIC is. Am I just wasting my time with you here?
You call the dead man a terrorist, I call you a terrorist for ignoring the blatant rape of our constitution, you think you're doing the right thing, do you deserve a hearing when I accuse you?
or is it ok for me to call for your theoretical assassination without due process and your rights to a fair trial?
Its the same principles, it really is, if you are logical and not emotional about it.
End of the day, you think you're American because you think the president should be able to kill any American that he deems is a terrorist or a threat to national security and I think you're unAmerican for that very reason.
And yes, this is exactly the same arguments that are thrown around when the Patriot Act was the main subject on ATS, across the internet and the entire nation. Patriot Act > Freedoms or Patriot Act > Terrorism.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
This would only apply if the person in q committed a major crime there and fled here to avoid capture, in cases like this we arrest them here and extradite them to the nation where they are wanted. This is apart of our international law enforcement objectives here. We'd expect them to arrest our suspects there and extradite them here.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Originally posted by OldCorp
We're Americans G DAMN IT! We are BETTER than that! (At least we used to be.)edit on 10/1/2011 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)
Question. Would this killing bother you if the dead men were not American citizens?