Why Aren't The Jewish Religious texts edited to remove Racist and hate passages?

reply to post by digginapony


I hazard a guess then that my original OP has more relevance than even I first envisaged?
Can it be the source of Nazi methodology and ideals this that you speak of then ?
For it seems like it is inspired by the "evil one" himself.
Oh this world is just getting darker than even my childhood.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by digginapony

 

I hazard a guess then that my original OP has more relevance than even I first envisaged?
Can it be the source of Nazi methodology and ideals this that you speak of then ?
For it seems like it is inspired by the "evil one" himself.
Oh this world is just getting darker than even my childhood.

You are absolutely correct. He was a liar and a murderer in the beginning...and will be in the end.

The star of David is actually the star of Rephan. Rephan is Satu(r)n. This is the "god" who deems certain people to be special while making promises of land, wealth, and power. The Talmud is "his" holy book.

God Bless...



P.S. Nazi really comes from AshkeNAZI. Hidden in plain sight.

reply to post by Dr Expired


I am sorry to learn of your childhood. There is absolute truth. Please remain faithful and understand where we are right now and why we are here. I also suffered severe trauma in my childhood.

God Bless

reply to post by digginapony


With all respect to you , I don't want this thread to be some sort of Jewish expose...the questions I ask are based on easily and readily accessible religious text by all.
The damage the exclusiveness the Old testament teaches can damage and does damage seekers.
Of course the Torah, Talmud may have even more questionable hate tracts, or even demented raging rabid ramblings, but the christians have the Klu Klux Klan , and other extremist sects.

Islam has their extremist sects and texts as well.

I just wish to contain this thread discussion to the more mainstream books.
In the future perhaps there can be a edited version that protects children from unnecessary spiritual torment.
That is the purpose to me of this thread.
I think you should start a new thread that highlights the Talmud.
If what you say is true it should be discussed in a non hate mannner.

Originally posted by digginapony
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

They do not follow the Torah. They follow the Talmud.

Umm no. Jews follow Torah. Talmud is just interpretations on Torah. Some adhere to it, some don't.

"I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of Satan."

Taken out of context.

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."


This is not a game...dude.

And a whole bunch of other stuff taken out of context.

You have been visiting Stormfront again, I see.

Originally posted by Dr Expired

Yes the non literal modern fundamenatlist christian interpretation has Israelites meaning believers...but nothing in the Torah or Old testament backs this up .

Hi, the Book of Ruth and the Book of Ezekiel would like to talk to you.

The new testament gives hope but not acceptance in relation to God.

Huh?

Sincerely we need to pinch ourselves perhaps and just acknowledge the Bible was written by Jews for Jews.

It was written by Hebrews for instruction and guidance to all who choose to follow. Not just "for Jews." Exodux, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy touches on this.

Originally posted by digginapony
reply to post by digginapony

 

In short, not only are they not the Israelites of the bible,

YOu have no proof of such claims.

they also do not adhere to the teachings of what most people think of as Judaism.

Such as?

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Taken out of context!? Please elucidate the "context" for Sanhedrin 57a , which states that when a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep, just for one tiny example.

What was the context of Jesus burning in hell in his own excrement?

Of course, one can always say anything is taken out of context. How does one then ascertain the truth? The answer is to know them by their fruits as Christ taught. Do the actions of the Zionists correlate to the teachings of the Talmud? The answer is that they do to the "T!"

Originally posted by digginapony

. . .

P.S. Nazi really comes from AshkeNAZI. Hidden in plain sight.

National Socialist = Nazi

In German the t has more of a "ts" sound.



Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for the region along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north, and thus for Germany. Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally "German Jews."

Please learn linguistics a bit better.

That was horrible.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by digginapony

 

I hazard a guess then that my original OP has more relevance than even I first envisaged?
Can it be the source of Nazi methodology and ideals this that you speak of then ?
For it seems like it is inspired by the "evil one" himself.
Oh this world is just getting darker than even my childhood.

I highly doubt that you did not intend this topic to actually ask a question based on your post history.

Nice disguise though.

reply to post by digginapony



Wow congratulations, you learned to copy and paste from a hate website. All this Talmud bs is soooo tiring. None of these quotes exist in the way they are stated, I venture to guess you haven't actually read it. I have a copy on my shelf, maybe you should buy one and read it for yourself instead of taking random quotes off a random site and spewing their ignorance all over this board.

reply to post by Dr Expired

For the very simple reason that the works are histories.
They are not instruction manuals except in the mind of a few fundamentalists.

reply to post by digginapony

Let me break the bad news to you - something shocking - even the "Turks" that control the Muslim world are Khazars.

All trouble in the world originated in central Asia - from a people who suddenly appeared in Tarim basin in Xinxiang some 4500-5000 years back.

These power hungry and bloodthirsty people have changed the face of the entire nations - from India to USA now.

Thats the problem with rteligeon now people editing things to there own needs over the years.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

They have you all saying things like "Jesus was a Jew."

Umm . . . He was . . . lol

No he was not. Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

quote]Ignorant Christians fall for their lies and facilitate the anti-Christ.

Rev 2:9 We were warned. They are of their father who was a liar and a murderer in the beginning and will be in the end.

Ahh. The good old fall back of the synagogue of Satan. Too bad that the writer of the passage is talking about spirituality and not blood lines through out the chapter.


Jesus did denounce the Jews. A lot of people don't see this because back then they were known as the Pharisees.
His first condemnation, in 23:13, related to the fact that they did all they could to shut out others. False religion and pretense are always the worst enemies of the truth and are far more dangerous than immorality or indifference. As the religious leaders of the Jews, they were held guilty before God of blocking the way for others seeking to enter into the kingdom of God.
In verse 14, another woe is indicated, in which the scribes and Pharisees were charged with devouring widows’ houses and making long prayers to impress others. The verse, however, is omitted in most manuscripts and probably should not be considered as rightly a portion of this Scripture. It may have been inserted from Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47.117 If it is included, it would bring the total woes to eight instead of seven.
In Matthew 23:15, the second woe is mentioned. In this one, the Pharisees were described as extremely energetic on both land and sea to make proselytes of the Jewish religion. But when they were successful, Jesus charged, “Ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” In referring to hell, Christ used the word Geenna or Gehenna, a reference to eternal damnation, rather than to Hades, the temporary abode of the wicked in the intermediate state. The Pharisees and their proselytes both would end up in eternal damnation.
A third woe is mentioned in verse 16, based on the trickery of the Pharisees, who held that swearing by the gold of the temple bound the oath. Jesus denounced them as both fools and blind, as obviously the gold was meaningless unless it was sanctified by the temple, and the gift on the altar was meaningless unless it was given significance by the altar. Repeating His accusation, He declared in verse 19, “Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?” Accordingly, Christ concluded that an oath based on the temple was binding, just as an oath based on heaven carried with it the significance of the throne of God and God who sits on the throne.
The fourth woe, mentioned in verse 23, has to do with hypocrisy in tithing. While they were so concerned in paying the tithe down to the smallest spice or seed, they omitted the really important matters: obeying the law and manifesting mercy and faith. He repeated His charge that they were blind, straining out a gnat or a small insect, but swallowing a camel. He was, of course, speaking figuratively of their dealing with minutiae but omitting the really important things.
The fifth woe is pronounced in verse 25, where He repeated the charge that they were hypocrites, merely actors acting a part. He charged them with cleaning the outside of the cup and the platter but being unconcerned about what was inside, where cleanliness really matters. He meant by this that they were concerned with ceremonial cleanliness, that which men observed, but not really concerned with holiness. While observing ceremonial rites of cleansing, they were not above extortion and excess.
In verse 27, Jesus mentioned the sixth woe. In this one, He described them as whited sepulchres, graves that had been made beautiful and white on the outside but within were full of dead men’s bones. This illustrated that the Pharisees were outwardly righteous but inwardly full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Jesus concluded with the seventh woe, in verse 29, in which He charged them with building tombs of the prophets and garnishing them with decorations and claiming that they would not be partakers with their fathers in martyring prophets. Jesus called their very witness to account, that they were the children of those who killed the prophets, and He told them, in verse 32, “Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.” In other words, do what your fathers did and even do worse. Jesus was, of course, referring to their intent to kill Him and to their later persecution of the church.
In the severest terms, in verse 33, Jesus addressed them, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” He described the scribes and Pharisees as poisonous snakes, destined for terrible judgment which would be theirs in hell, specifically Gehenna, the place of eternal punishment

Jesus declared, in verse 34, that He would send to them prophets, wise men, and scribes who were also believers. Some of them they would persecute, some they would scourge and drive out of the synagogue, and others they would kill and crucify. Their works would justify bringing upon them the just condemnation coming from all the righteous blood shed upon the earth from the time of righteous Abel, killed by Cain (Gen 4:8), to the martyrdom of Zacharias, the son of Barachias (2 Ch 24:20-22). Zacharias, mentioned as the son of Jehoiada in 2 Chronicles 24:20, probably was the grandson of the priest and Barachias was his actual father. Richard Glover, in his outline of Matthew 23, summarizes the characteristics of hypocrisy in these words, “Hypocrisy is a hard taskmaster…lives only for the praise of men…concerns itself with the small things of religion…deals with externals chiefly…reveres only what is dead…finds a fearful judgment.”

The present sad chapter in the days of Israel’s apostasy was the climax of the religious rulers’ long rejection of the things of God. Jesus solemnly pronounced that all these acts of rejection of God and His prophets would cause judgment to come upon this generation, which they would bring to culmination by their rejection of God’s only Son. This prophecy was tragically fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the scattering of the children of Israel over the face of the earth. Jerusalem, the city of God, and the magnificent temple, the center of their worship, were to lay in ashes as an eloquent reminder that divine judgment on hypocrisy and sin is inevitable.

Ran out of room in the last post.

reply to post by digginapony


Since you among others are so good at bringing up the USS Liberty at every opportunity, you all seem to back off so damn fast when I bring up the HMAS Hobart! Why is that?

As for Rachel Corrie....only stupid buggers throw themselves in front of moving vehicals!

reply to post by Dr Expired


If you have a Jewish background (whatever that means) you'd show some respect towards your Hebrew and "Jewish" ancestors. I'm assuming the Old Testament you speak of is the Christian version taken from Torah. Now if you read Torah, it was written during ancient times and there's a lot of common sense in it however I'm assuming you don't know Hebrew so you would interpret it differently.

Is any genetic research available on Hebrews, which traces their origins?

What if all Hebrews originated from central Asia. That way Khazars would be no different from Israelites.

reply to post by bluemirage5


I think the OP does have a point, and should not be beaten down for it.

Dayanand Saraswati stood up against false practices of Hinduism against all odds. There were 14 attempts on his life by both Hindu pundits and Muslims, before the 14th one got him, but he did not die in vain. He did something for Hindus that nobody else did in the recent history.

Every religion can be reformed. This is not demonizing Judaism.