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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by kimish
We can't condemn all missionaries or the entire church for doing such ugly deeds.
Why can't we? What if Christianity is entirely untrue? Let's put the ugly deeds aside for a moment and focus on that.
Doesn't that make the work of any missionary, no matter how well-intentioned, ultimately both unethical and immoral? After all, no religion has ever established their metaphysical claims as true (and many of their claims about the physical world we know are untrue). Modern missionaries certainly know that at least some of the bible's claims are not true, yet they present the book that makes those claims as knowledge. If nothing else, this is certainly unethical.
Originally posted by sirenofthedead
1) Should one ever presume that they are qualified to judge the righteousness of another? What makes you an authority?
2) Some people believe that karmic contracts are made before we are incarnated. The "evil-doer" may well be making a karmic sacrifice on behalf of someone else, for all you or I know.
3) Some people believe there are no others.edit on 30/9/11 by sirenofthedead because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kimish
I don't believe TRUE Christianity should be labeled a religion but it should be looked at as a following of the teachings of Christ Jesus. So I wouldn't say any missionary that spreads the Teachings of Christ Jesus with good intentions and doesn't push the religion side is unethical. It's like, is letting someone know how to live a better and more productive life without forcing their beliefs unethical? To the missionaries that Push their beliefs, I feel is unethical but to at least let other know where they are coming from and why, I do feel that is ethical. The sad thing is that most missionaries do push it upon others and they don't see that. Their heart is in the right place but...
Originally posted by DarkKnight76
Well, once I tell you I am not interested in your voodoo mumbojumbo, then it is time to shut up and let me burn.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I am an authority if I am subject to the actions of another.
Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
This is too absolute. We tell KKK members that they're wrong for their beliefs all the time, and never think about whether it is right or wrong for them to believe as they wish.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
There is nothing moral about trying to tell someone what to believe or to try and change what they believe.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by kimish
That is how I was raised to believe in JC but now that i'm a little older and more mature I don't agree with that mindset. Organized religion stinks and if JC were to see how things are now and with the religion of Christianity, I feel he wouldn't appreciate it.
Unfortunately you are right but I don't believe all missionaries have that train of thought. I would say 99/100 do though and that is a shame.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Are those people in your life who try to convert you to save you from Hell moral and correct in their actions?
If one sincerely believes in Hell and cares about you enough to try to save you from it, they must be a moral and caring person acting in the right, otherwise to let you perish would make them an amoral sociopath.
However, the more someone tries to save you, the more of an undesirable creep they are perceived to be. Religious conversion is often unwanted.
Is the attempt to save others from Hell a moral action or is it an unethical action?
Originally posted by Sanndy
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Are those people in your life who try to convert you to save you from Hell moral and correct in their actions?
If one sincerely believes in Hell and cares about you enough to try to save you from it, they must be a moral and caring person acting in the right, otherwise to let you perish would make them an amoral sociopath.
However, the more someone tries to save you, the more of an undesirable creep they are perceived to be. Religious conversion is often unwanted.
Is the attempt to save others from Hell a moral action or is it an unethical action?
I have several friends that would really like to "save" me. The problem is that they always get around to telling me that their god has a plan for me because he has a plan for all of us. This is usually when I ask how they got permission from their god to mess with his plan.edit on 30-9-2011 by Sanndy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Well, there is only one reason we pay any attention to Jesus and it has nothing to do with his oft-quoted "wise words". If people didn't think he was there to save them from the wrath of God, few people would find his humanitarian platitudes much more than a curiosity.
Originally posted by Annee
I think and have experienced very few give a crap about Christ's actual words and message.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Are those people in your life who try to convert you to save you from Hell moral and correct in their actions?
If one sincerely believes in Hell and cares about you enough to try to save you from it, they must be a moral and caring person acting in the right, otherwise to let you perish would make them an amoral sociopath.
However, the more someone tries to save you, the more of an undesirable creep they are perceived to be. Religious conversion is often unwanted.
Is the attempt to save others from Hell a moral action or is it an unethical action?