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Originally posted by Pervius
President Lincoln had to reach out to Russia for help and got the entire Russian Atlantic and Pacific Naval fleets to port in the Union's northern Ports.
To fight the South and keep a Fascist Federal Government. Russia created what we have now. The whole "Cold War" was just trickery by that Generation to rob other countries of their resources/oil creating a fake "Cold War".
If Ron Paul was serious about saving the country and ending Fascism...he'd be on the first plane to China asking them for help to set up War Crimes Tribunals.
Great Leaders have always reached out to foreign Governments for help to achieve the end game.
Ron Paul won't achieve his goal until he reaches out...to end the madness. Want a scary thought?
Think the enlisted military supporting Ron Paul would still stick by him and abandon the wacky officers at the top?......Helping a Chinese invasion or Tribunal? At some point it may very well happen.
reply to post by mishigas
Ron Paul wrapping himself in the constitution to defend terrorists? pure politics? we still making things up about Ron Paul? does it never end? Mishigas?
Did it ever cross your mind that he's been saying the same thing for decades? it isn't 'pure politics', he actually believes in protecting the constitution, Americans' rights and not terrorists in this scenario.
He does not want the precedence to be set from this case, the president has no right to order a killing of an American despite treason, but one would have to be convicted of treason. If all of the facts were there, there would be no reason not to have a speedy trial and carry out his punishment by death.
The amount of spin some of you try to place on Ron Paul is just straight up desperation to make him look bad. Even Herman Cain agreed with Paul about this exact topic on two separate occasions, only to come out flip flopping on his stance.
reply to post by mishigas
He must know the dangers of declaring and treating these terrorists as criminals. To implement a policy of Mirandizing a terrorist and then giving them access to our justice system is pure insanity.
Well, OK, then his only mistake is classifying al Awlaki as a citizen and not as a terrorist. I do not believe that a man is permanently a citizen. Certain acts, voluntary acts, revoke that citizenship, and that is exactly what al Awlaki did -- voluntarily revoke his citizenship.
Presidents and governors order the death of citizens all the time. That is part of being a Capital punishment society.
RP needs nobody's help to make him look bad. He's got that down to a science.
You act against your nation, you get extradited and convicted for treason, that is how it works. Again, this is setting precedence to just assume Americans have turned against their countries and have shoot to kill orders without trial, without proof. If they had proof, it would be a breeze to kill them as a punishment.