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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by NWOwned
We must demand they prove their OS claims.
Prove a 757 hit the Pentagon... FOR REAL and not just say it, not just show obviously doctored and 'staged' post crash photos.
It's a fair question. Here's a compilation of eyewitnesses who were there and who personally saw the plane hit the Pentagon...
Eyewitnesses to the Pentagon attack
...and here is the best simulation I've seen of the attack and presents the evidence on which it is based...
So, right now are you thinking, "hey wait a minute, those damned fool conspiracy web sites never told me about any of this!" or, are you simply going to accuse all the witnesses of being secret government agents and all the evidence manufactured and planted? If it's the former, congratulations, you're starting to think for yourself, and if it's the latter, then why are you wasting my time asking for proof when you're simply going to invent whatever reason you need to for why you don't have to believe it?
I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion." - (Washington Post, September 11, 2001) -
Originally posted by NWOwned
It's a clear PERP mistake. The eye witness accounts not matching the gate cam video etc. Mistake. The gate cam video may be authentic too now because of this mistake. The animated video explanation is done to cover the smoke trail's actual origin by saying it's a smoking engine and not the missile it really is.
Originally posted by Saltarello
Funny you mention the first responders and ground zero workers, wich are being denied care for the condition they got from working there, when "it was safe" to be there.
Funny thing is, it wont help you to try putting all the eggs in one basket, thats we focus on building 7 and the pentacon, so you dont really have to disprove 1 theory, but some. If you or your kind realy had some backbone this issue and discussion would be over by now, but your futile efforts at covering and smearing are not working now are they?
Originally posted by samkent
Concerning the smoke from the engine.
500mph is 733 feet per second.
How far was the light poles from the impact point?
Which pole hit the engine vs the wing? The first pole? The last?
Did the engine start smoking 1/100 of a second after it hit the pole?Or did it take 1.5 seconds to start smoking?
I doubt there was much time to see any smoke at all.
Originally posted by NWOwned
Take ATS member Shaun Hatfield (I forgot to include him in the eyewitness list - he'll do just fine), you may want to look him up. He and I had a little back and forth on his Pentagon "eyewitness" experience. He told a harrowing tale of driving his van down the road and having the plane come right across his windshield up in front of it and he watched as it impacted the wall. Skim through some of my previous posts where I ask him to tell his "eyewitness" story and be sure to count how many times he mentions a prominent 'smoke trail' occurring as he and two of his friends watched the plane cross the road, scoot over the lawn and hit the building.
Go on. I got all the time in the world...
Oh yeah, one other thing I want to mention and since we're talking about the animated video (please do watch it all) is that at the very end of the video a video clip from the gate cam is allowed to play, when you look at that part, pay attention to the billowing smoke. The very rightmost vertical puffing column of black smoke is coming out of that 'generator' like a regular choo choo train. It's the generator Dave says I can't possibly see from that lousy video.
Originally posted by Junkheap
Pretty much as soon as the first conspiracy theory came out. Nineteen terrorists hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings still remains the simplest explanation.
Also, no whistleblowers ever surfaced. If the government can keep 9/11 whistleblowers covered up, why can't they keep Fast and Furious ATF whistleblowers covered up?edit on 30-9-2011 by Junkheap because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lynda101
reply to post by Junkheap
I never have thought the views of a lot of intelligent people were false and the way TPTB are fighting so obviously to change people's perception of 9/11 only strengthens my view. I'm just glad the obligatory to persuade us we are al idiots, has finished.
If 'someone' engineered and benefitted from a catastrophe that killed over three thousand people, that
'someone' would be likely to have a small elite army of specialists so no whistleblowers there, nor more importantly would that 'someone' permit any whistlers to live.
For me it boils down to one issue, did a group of 'someones' gain something from this atrocity? Yes they did, they gave themselves a new mandate allowing them to push through laws that have restricted our personal freedoms and now allows government to monitor and spy on us all in a way never tolerated in the past.
Originally posted by budaruskie
You Dave, you did this for me. I said to myself, what is all this drivel about space beams and holograms, how did I get myself to this damn fooled conspiracy website? Of course, the complete failure of history's most expensive, best trained, most technologically advanced military and the suspension of known laws of physics and investigation when combined with total disregard to actual evidence or critical thinking is MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE!!
Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by budaruskie
The saddest thing is this, when it was proven there were indeed Jewish people who were killed in the WTC, not one single conspiracy theorist apologized. Not one single conspiracy theorist admitted it was false.
And because that was the very first conspiracy theory on which all the rest of the theories were founded on, it makes me take great pause at the rest. But will you hear a conspiracy theorist apologizing for spreading that bit of false information? No. Because if they did, then they have to apologize for every other theory.
I want to hear one single theorist apologize for that one. (I won't hold my breath though, because secretly they want to believe it).