For me, I'd have to say it was the realization that Dylan Avery's "Loose Change" was chock full of lies. In one particular scene, he claimed that after the attack at the Pentagon, a group of unknown people were carrying some mysterious object covered by a blue tarp was being carried out of the Pentagon and then asks "what is this object they're carrying out?". This struck be as really weird behavior for personnel at the Pentagon to be doing, considering the building was just attacked and peopel were killed, so I did more research to see if there were any clues.

...which is when I found out that it wasn't a "blue tarp covered object" being carried out of the Pentagon. It was a triage tent being carried INTO the Pentagon. The image Avery used was deliberately edited to cut off the crowds in the background to conceal the direction the people carrying the triage tent were walking.. Dylan Avery LIED!

I then did more research on the supposed "evidence" I was shown. Richard Gage took the video NIST used in their report, cut off the footage of the penthouse collapsing into the interior of the building six seconds before the rest of the building collapsed, all so he can claim "mysterious noises were coming out of WTC 7 six seconds before it collapsed." Richard Gage is intentionally editing the evidence to suit his tastes, and the only reason why he'd censor such information is if he was up to something.

The list of lies goes on and on- conspiracy proponents claimed the fires in WTC 7 were completely out when the fire fighters who were there said the fires were burning out of control, they claimed Cheney gave a stand down order when the video of the 9/11 commision testimony specifically said someone asked "did the orders still stand", they claimed there was no evidence of any plane that hit the Pentagon when there are hundreds of eyewitnesses who specifically saw the plane hit as well as photographs all over the internet showing aircraft wreckage, and the like...and no, the hijackers and the organizers behind them were NOT "illiterate cavemen" They all came from middle class families and were highly educated. Bin Laden himself was mega-rich due to a family inheritance, and- surprise- his activities into Islamic fundamentalism arose at about the same time.

I present this information to the conspiracy theorists, and what do I hear? The gov't is in on the conspiracy. The NYC police are in on the conspiracy. The NYC fire dept are in on the conspiracy. The Red Cross is in on the conspiracy. The BBC is in on the conspiracy. NIST and FEMA are in on the conspiracy. The CIA and FBI are in on the conspiracy. NORAD and NATO are in on the conspiracy. All the eyewitnesses near the Pentagon and Shanksville are in on the conspiracy. Every news organization on Earth is in on the conspiracy. MIT and Purdue are in on the conspiracy. Popular Mechanics magazine is in on the conspiracy. Dylan Avery and Alex Jones are in on the conspiracy. Apparently, I'm in on the conspiracy, too. Jeez, who the heck isn't in on the conspiracy?

When it gets to the point where the only way a conspiracy theory can survive critical analysis is by circulating outright lies and playing the "secret gov't agent" card at every possible opportinuty, this is proof positive that whatever the conspiracy theorists' true motives to circulate these conspiracy claims are, "honest research into the events of the 9/11 attack" it certainly ain't.

Pretty much as soon as the first conspiracy theory came out. Nineteen terrorists hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings still remains the simplest explanation.

Also, no whistleblowers ever surfaced. If the government can keep 9/11 whistleblowers covered up, why can't they keep Fast and Furious ATF whistleblowers covered up?

I find it interesting the point you provide, suspecting Dylan Avery of lying. I've seen a show on T.V., investigating many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, and Loose Change was a common reference in the show. They actually interview Avery, where he clearly says "Loose Change was originally supposed to be a fictional rendering, based on the events of 9/11." It was only when the "9/11-Truth-Movement" gained momentum, that a lot of these depictions became considered facts, and Loose Change became the paramount source for many of these movements.

I became aware that 9/11 conspiracies are most likely false, when I realized that a wide percentage of conspirators think all footage is fake, there were no planes, and the "illusion" of planes are based on holograms.

I'm sorry, but... what? Haha, whatever.

i'd have to say that i'm not one of the ones who think that there were no planes, i think there were, i take everything with a grain of salt, but theres some things that don't make sense on the osers side and the truthers side....to me, i think both sides hold on to pretty extreme and radical reasons to believe what they are told.....the osers seem to not believe the truthers side of it because of the fact that there has been some pretty wild and lame brain theories that have been injected into the truth movement and they won't let those go.....the smart thing would be to take the os with a grain of salt and the truthers side with a grain of salt.....if there is any holes in either side, don't believe either side, try to plug those holes with your own research....it shouldn't be about, "well, the truthers are all saying this and saying that so i'm going to believe the os whole heartedly" that shouldn't happen....there is a gray area that you can stand on if both extremes don't fit.....

Originally posted by Praetorius
Then when the investigatory commission itself in the majority came out against its own finding to to outright deception and obfuscation by the government agencies and representatives they were investigating, in addition to all the other little nagging factors I haven't thought to mention, it really sealed the deal for me that at the VERY least, a new, unfettered, and independent investigation is called for as the government obviously wants to hide SOMETHING, for some reason...and I'd like to know what it is.

As do I...but the fact that there are a lot of questions that haven't been answered yet...and Lee Hamilton himself admits his investigation turned up no clue as to the actual reason for why Mohammed Atta actually did it...doesn't mean we should be holding an Olympic event on making stuff up off the tops of our heads to fill in the void.

From past performance, such coverups usually means that someone, somewhere screwed up royally and they're going all out to hide it. Simply look at the ATF's "fast and Furious" operation where they openly ordered gun dealers to cooperate with illegal gun runners in the hopes of tracing where the guns are going, only to have a border agent on the Mexican border get killed with one of them. Right now, every high up ATF agent is being grilled on whose bright idea this was, and of course, everyone is playing amnesia and claiming "we don't know." It's like some mass psychosis spontaneously settled into the head of every ATF agent to start selling illegal guns to Mexican gun runners.

SO, when I see so many government authorities coming out and saying "we don't know where our defenses failed", what they're really saying is that the person/people responsible for our defenses having failed have crawled underneath a rock to lay low. I agree we need more investigations because we need to know where exactly our defenses failed so that it can't happen again, but making up ridiculous claims of lasers from outer space, secret controlled demolitions in occupied buildings, "no planes", and the like, is only turning the momentum to get more investigations into a three ring circus. Heck, there are truthers who even claim UFOs were hovering over the towers before they were struck.

Originally posted by Junkheap
Pretty much as soon as the first conspiracy theory came out. Nineteen terrorists hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings still remains the simplest explanation.

Also, no whistleblowers ever surfaced. If the government can keep 9/11 whistleblowers covered up, why can't they keep Fast and Furious ATF whistleblowers covered up?

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Perhaps the players in the game had no awareness of what they were doing in the scheme?
by that I mean, classified intentions are not seen by average eyes. Both the 19 attackers and perhaps if there were some sort of demolitions inside, the people who planted it could have not even been aware of what they were doing due to protocol. The 19 attackers could have been a baited Saudi terrorist organization hijacked by a third party with more sinister plots. The two towers could have fallen legitly, but WTC7 was definitely a controlled demolition propaganda piece used as a fear revival for war.

Most of the theories are easy to see through if you have some basic common sense and understanding of the ideas present in the theories.

My views on 9/11 have always been towards the conspiracy side, but not necessarily in line with most "truther" arguments. Since I tend to disagree with most common arguments I'm either a shill, blind to the facts, or whatever other innuendo delusional truthers have to throw about. (I'm not saying every truther is delusional, but the vast majority of them are.)

I don't support no plane theories, holograms, mini nukes, thermite, space lasers, or the idea that people like Bush were directly involved or behind the attacks, amongst others.

I do however believe that there is far more to the story than Joe Public has been allowed to know. My lines of research and "investigation" have taken me down decidedly different and often unpopular paths than those that tend to consider themselves or otherwise be labeled as truthers.

I support an open and independant new investigation into the events by impartial parties that would focus on some of the aspects of the original "investigation" that were overlooked or ignored completely as well as other concerns or opinions that I have developed over the years.

In many ways my views on the matter have changed over the years based on information I learned or information that was found to be false, from both sides. I consider myself to be objective and open minded and I do not think the government itself is inherently evil and plotting all of our demise. If I could find suitable answers to some of the questions I have and to some of the inconsistencies in the OS I would be "happy" to change my opinion.

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I had believed in the shoot down theory in Shanksville, that Flight 93 was shot out of the sky but the bulk of the plane still landed in the field causing the crater. A theory espoused by the likes of Jim Hoffman and sites like flight93crash.com.

After thinking about it though, I never could quite understand how debris would only fall past the impact spot, and none before leading up to the crater. The debris pattern seemed to be reversed for a shoot down.

And after critically looking at that odd crater, one like I've NEVER seen before, and the unburnt grass surrounding it, it because obvious to me that the shoot down conspiracy theory was false, but that no plane had crashed in Shanksville instead.

I never threw my lot in with any of the conspiracy theory, especially the official theory. There is no way that anyone will ever know exactly what happened either in those planes or in those buildings to any degree of certainty. To say otherwise is just foolish.

I have my suspicions on a few bits of things here and there, but nothing earthshattering. 9/11 was a horrible and tragic event, but not even close to the scale of tragedy that has happened to us in the 10 years since.