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Now the EU orders Britain: Let migrants claim benefits  as soon as they arrive in UK

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posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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It's not a fix. Take a look at the epetitions site: the problem is the people starting dozens of petitions on the same subject, usually immigration or the death penalty, so any support gets spread thin. If you can persuade the authors of all the other petitions to drop theirs and support just one, things might be different. But of course there's no reason why someone should agree to drop their petition - after all, would you?




posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Despite a petition of over 100,000 signatures being handed in to Downing Street Cameron is still refusing to allow a referendum whilst telling us that he does't believe it's right for the UK to leave the EU and that he believes the British people don't want to.
Simple way to find out; give us the referendum and the opportunity to demonstrate our wishes without that smug, arrogant, toff assuming he knows what's best.
His administration are even trying to delay and prohibit any parliamentary debate on the subject.

www.bbc.co.uk...

When are we going to do away with these people and the system that allows them to govern as they please under the illusory image and name of 'democracy'.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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The signatures only trigger a parliamentary debate on the subject, not a referendum. It's the same for all of them.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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HA HA HA HA at Britain. We are the toilet/the doormat of the
world.

Thank you so much progressive politically correct do gooders.
you no not what you have done.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Despite a petition of over 100,000 signatures being handed in to Downing Street Cameron is still refusing to allow a referendum whilst telling us that he does't believe it's right for the UK to leave the EU and that he believes the British people don't want to.
Simple way to find out; give us the referendum and the opportunity to demonstrate our wishes without that smug, arrogant, toff assuming he knows what's best.
His administration are even trying to delay and prohibit any parliamentary debate on the subject.

www.bbc.co.uk...

When are we going to do away with these people and the system that allows them to govern as they please under the illusory image and name of 'democracy'.


The problem with democracy is that in principle it allows people to say what they want. Sometimes that isn't what you want. Perhaps if more people actually bothered to vote there would be more representative results. But the plans announced to make registration voluntary rather than a legal and civic duty could lose even more voters from the electorate.

Multiple referenda is not necessarily any more democratic a system, because it always depends on what question is asked and how it is phrased and when it is asked.

The problem Cameron has is that the UK electorate who did vote - in their infinite wisdom - didn't give his party a majority. They did not win the election. It's about time the Conservatives realised this and stopped acting like they have any mandate. Right now we have a placeholder government that may not even last five years. Not the best time to make decisions that affect all 60 odd million of us.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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There's plenty of immigrants who can spell 'know', for a start.

And what's wrong with doing good?



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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I am a (about to take a serious risk here) FIRM believer in the welfare state.

However, British benefits should be reserved for British citizens. If the EU require us to start paying benefits to everyone that plops down on British soil from the get go then the EU should be required to fund such an exercise. A separate "pot of money" should be created to fund welfare for "individuals not holding a British Passport at the time of application."

It should be noted that if a British Citizen were to travel to France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Norway or Denmark they would be entitled to benefits from day one.

Personally I prefer the Arab states policy. Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates all have very generous welfare systems, but ONLY for their own citizens.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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You do know It will be debated wither Cameron likes it or not, and it will be voted on in December. Once again, I agree how ever the people off the United Kingdom will be railroaded into something we do not like.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Wrong, parliamentary debate, and a vote is taking place In December.

No doubt MPs will vote it down, since they have their heads so shoved up their anuses they do not see what is going on in Europe.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Yes, a parliamentary debate with a vote at the end. No referendum.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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So are you arguing?

I was agreeing with you


But to say there wont be a vote, on it come on.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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If that is true, and whilst I have no reason to disbelieve you but I have not read anything confirming that - could you please provide a source, it only means that a parliamentary debate on the subject and if there is any vote on it then you can guarantee there would be a three line whip ensuring adhesion to the party line and a complete disregard for the wishes and interests of the electorate.

The fact that this can happen is proof that the system ensures the continuation of the current corrupt and incestuous processes and procedures which are decidedly undemocratic, lack any real accountability and are totally unrepresentative.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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The problem with democracy is that in principle it allows people to say what they want.


No it doesn't.
It allows people to once every four or five years vote for a party that most represents their views.
Only blinded bigots agree with every single policy of any particular party.
Party politics has had it's day and we need radical reform ensuring elected officials are representative of the electorates wishes and are directly accountable to them and not whatever political party they owe their allegiance to.

It may take some time but please make an effort to read this thread;
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You may not agree with everything, but I'm sure you'll find it interesting and informative of alternative ideads and opinions.



Perhaps if more people actually bothered to vote there would be more representative results. But the plans announced to make registration voluntary rather than a legal and civic duty could lose even more voters from the electorate.


That is because people aren't actively encouraged to ask and question what is going on.
Quite the contrary, people are being actively dumbed down through a National Curriculum that preaches 'facts' and discourages dissension and individual thought and MSM that cleverly manipulates people into unquestioningly accepting everything presented to them as fact.



Multiple referenda is not necessarily any more democratic a system, because it always depends on what question is asked and how it is phrased and when it is asked.


Of course, but when used as part of a complete shake up of the whole political, parliamentary and electoral systems it can help ensure that the electorate have a real say in how this country is governed.



The problem Cameron has is that the UK electorate who did vote - in their infinite wisdom - didn't give his party a majority.


Thankfully.
Cameron is an arrogant, self-centred, egotistical toff who is hell bent on dragging this nation back to Victorian like times.
The problem is the alternatives are equally as determined on maintaining the political status quo, come from the exact same Oxbridge etc background and enjoy the gravy train with equally as much greed and disregard for the electorate and their well being.



They did not win the election. It's about time the Conservatives realised this and stopped acting like they have any mandate. Right now we have a placeholder government that may not even last five years. Not the best time to make decisions that affect all 60 odd million of us.


That is the whole point.
They view us, the electorate, with complete disdain and arrogantly believe they have a right to do as they please with complete impunity.
And our electoral and parliamentary processes support this.
edit on 2/10/11 by Freeborn because: E's are good



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Link provided below, I for one will be watching who stands up and speaks out against the EU and who does not.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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