Originally posted by EmilNomel
face it john... we are human beings and we are greedy!

Not all of us. I can't speak for anyone else but I know I'm not.

killing others for 5 dollars...

I certainly haven't killed anyone for 5 dollars and I really hope you haven't

assassinate our presidents...

Again, I know I haven't and I'm pretty certain no one else on this board has.

we make wars because of greed for oil and other resources... thus kill millions of innocent people!

Certain factions of government do, but I know I don't and I'm fairly certain neither do you. How is any of this pertinent?

big corporations steal other poor people's inventions...
and on and on...

You'll have to substantiate this claim. Not just one or two examples, but evidence that every single big corporation in existence steals the inventions of poor people, seeing as that is what your claim implies. Or, more fitingly, provide specific evidence that a big corporation stole Meyer's "invention".

things you do not really want to hear because they make you ashamed to be called a human being!

You're putting words into my mouth again. Substantiate your claims, don't play the armchair psychologist with me.

it hurts your peace of mind and ego hearing about these things...

See above. Either you're flaw projecting or putting more words into my mouth. Neither is appropriate behaviour.

and if you say that it does not hurt you then you are either a liar or just a really insensitive, ego centered and evil person!

MORE flaw projection and/or words being put into my mouth. Those are pretty big accusations. Substantiate them, the armchair psychology is getting tiresome.

and that's why you keep saying "bla bla bla... prove it"

Well... yes. unlike you, I don't believe wild claims unless they have supporting evidence. How exactly is that a bad thing?

you were quick to accuse me for being closed minded... yet, you do not see that you are closed minded just the same if not even more!

Being open minded is not good when you are prepared to believe any old thing you read on the internet without a shred of evidence.

here is a proof for you that "free energy" and perpetuum mobile exist:
just look at the universe or the solar system... how is it possible for all the planets to go around the sun "forever"?

If no work is being done and no force is acting against it, the orbit will be perpetual. Notice the key phrase no work being done. As soon as you tried to harness energy from the motion, it is no longer perpetual motion. Is a "water powered" car a planetary orbit? No. Your analogy is false. I've made this point many times on these boards: there is a strong correlation between scientific illiteracy and belief in over unity claims. That is why uniformed people such as yourself get sucked into these hoaxes.

or look at the atoms... how is it possible for the electrons to go around the nucleus "forever"?

See above. Electrons don't "orbit". That is an inaccurate analogy to make teaching physics in high school more palatable to the students. So, yet again, your analogy is false.

energy can neither be created nor destroyed... maybe true but, it can be borrowed used and returned back to the source...

Energy is not converted at >=100% efficiency. That is the killer blow to perpetual motion machines or "water powered" cars.

perhaps here you will say that "once it is used to do some work (for example heat up your room in the cold winter) it's gone and cannot be returned" and if you say so then yes, you do have a point!

You WILL use up more energy splitting hydrogen than you will get by using it as a fuel. You will have to supply more energy than you get back as fuel.

we say that energy cannot be created but, that is not the truth either... because energy can be created from the void! (big bang theory for example) + other proofs that i will not get into them at the moment...

Is there a cosmological Big Bang happening in the "water powered" car? Of course not. Lets not take thread this into complete absurdity.

what do you know about infinity and the void? and how can i open your eyes for you to see something without a boundary?

What you are saying is not in any way pertinent to this thread.

you are closed minded (we all are )

Hang on, you said you weren't. Which is it now?

because we have limits how far we can see and understand... do you see?
i bet you don't see... understand?

Again, you have stopped making sense.

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bah... why am i wasting my time trying to educate you on things you will never be able to comprehend?

What exactly could I possibly "not comprehend"? You haven't addressed any of my points, instead you've gone off on a pseudo-intellectual tangent. You might think that your monologues are clever and insightful but alas they are not.

i'll tell you why... because there are others who will see! and perhaps there is a small chance (one in a gazillion) that one day you will open your eyes too!

More pseudo-intellectual rambling. Funny how you haven't addressed one single point I have made in my previous reply.

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Originally posted by dainoyfb
The problem that everybody has when trying to get a system of this nature working is that it takes more energy to make the HHO than the engine can produce with the HHO available from it's own production.

Wrong in so many ways. Have you tried it, friend? I am producing HHO with just 13.5 Volts at 105 Amps, running through a 40 Amp circuit breaker. Of course the reactor will draw as much energy as it is allowed to, that is why we have to limit it. Even at 40 amps it will drain my battery in 10 minutes flat.

Originally posted by EmilNomel

Originally posted by dainoyfb
The problem that everybody has when trying to get a system of this nature working is that it takes more energy to make the HHO than the engine can produce with the HHO available from it's own production.

that is not true!
the alternator produces more energy than what's needed to make the HHO

the problem that i can see is safety...

considering the HHO gas pressure build up and it's combustion...
how safe is this system from not exploding your vehicle?

Safety is a very important issue, friend. We make the HHO on demand, the only explosive gas is in the Jars, the bubbler, and the hose leading to the air breather. I would never have a tank of this stuff on my car, it would become a mini hydrogen bomb in a crash, or a fire. As far as "exploding your vehicle," I take that to mean exploding the cylinder walls or pistons, it's true that the HHO burns hotter than gasoline, but it makes the gasoline 100% efficient, and it cleans out all carbon and sulphur left from the burning of gasoline from your engine. You do have to remove the CAT, as Oxygen always goes south, out the exhaust. Having a hot CAT full of Oxygen is not a good idea. No worries about passing an emissions test, my van passed, the tech even commented on how clean it ran. My tailpipe is perfectly clean, just a little water moisture.

I remember when the (HAARP) earthquakes first hit Japan, someone was saying it was because they were ready to release a hydrogen powered car, that would damper the oil industry.

Originally posted by Screwed


So can someone smarter than myself please tell me why this wouldn't work?
Honestly?

edit on 30-9-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)

AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FUEL WARS OVER WATER START??? SOLAR POWER IS BEST AND MORE PLENTIFUL..

A water-powered car, wow, I can't wait for water to be 5.00 a gallon too! Seriously, this is insane. Maybe if they used salt water, but clean freshwater is on its way to being as limited a resource as oil. I would hope these inventors would focus on technology that utilizes unlimited resources (that would mainly be solar).