The Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

Originally posted by awake1234
One Voice
One Vision
One People + Planet
∞LOVE∞

edit on 30-9-2011 by awake1234 because: eartheart∞

Nah.
Different Visions....very different.
Very different people as long as muslims are blowing # up

reply to post by deadeyedick


The key here is to not let the unions or any other group take away from the voice of the people they cannot hijack what they did not begin,

These protests have to have leverage as a way to get a mob and a way to be seen, and its good that people are starting to realize that this is our chance to change.

Remember unions were once upon a time suppose to protect the rights of the worker. Here is their chance to show that they will again.

As for the declaration, I agree with all of it,

This was a huge step that the protests needed to accomplish, all major wrongs from the bombing of foreign countries to the internal corruption at home were addressed. It was well though out and now it is clear what the people want. We will have a voice again.

Originally posted by StarPeace
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edit on 30-9-2011 by StarPeace because: (no reason given)

That's what it looks like to me too, brother... The sad thing is that I don't think half of them realize that's what they are asking for. Hell, half of the people on here don't even see that.

reply to post by deadeyedick


Of course it has been hijacked. This movement is being hijacked just like the tea party movement was. These movements are going to be the catalyst for civil war. The one common denominator is government. The majority have been educated by the state. Most educated in the so called "civilized" world have been spoon fed the lies by both sides of the left/right paradigm. The one thing both sides have in common is that there must be a government because we are just too stupid or paranoid to live without one. And by the way, corporations in America are not the reason that there is so much student debt. The government more than the corporations are the reason:

link to article

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by NoAngel2u
I really think that list is too long. Those are the details,,, the symptoms. They are covered in one overriding corruptive influence within our political system. Money money money.

They should have remained focused on that one KEY building block of corporatacracy. Gotta pick your battles and prioritize. I don't mean toss the list, but to determine a primary objective and hammer it. You will likely get more people on board with a more narrowed focus that most everyone will likely agree with, than with a list of demands that everyone will argue about.

However, with a narrow focus like "money money money" you risk alienating a lot more people IMO.

A manifesto of 20 odd points allows people to pick and choose what they like from the menu, and discuss their preferences with their peers and in public forums. This raises awareness and attention on those points - it's brilliant.

I'd support any movement calling for the END of the monetary system (and I'm financially wealthy by the way, so it's not a case of sour grapes), but the vast majority of people, especially those with power and influence are so hopelessly addicted to, dependent on, and highly defensive of the monetary system, it is not the time yet for that kind of conversation with the general population, IMO. (Just look how much flak Joseph and Fresco have taken for pointing out the facts and the alternatives!)

I'm not suggesting tossing the list and rendering them un-discusable. lol I'm suggesting prioritizing the over-riding "main" objectives. Fifteen of the 22 listed are d/t financial/monetary corruption. How about coming up with a short list of goals to achieve, with the accompanying list of grievances that illustrate the need for action.

reply to post by Misoir


Playing the turd in the puddings advocate?

Ok we have a large group of people acting as a democracy communicating and working together. This is basically the democracy we used to have. Like a human ant colony....

reply to post by saber13


My prediction is that the unions will get something out of the deal and leave the real problems with the ones who started this thing.

reply to post by morder1


I would think some of the folks demonstrating there in New York would be monitoring ATS to some degree wouldn't you think?

What do you think would happen if someone started a thread that was meant to help organize there efforts by the greatest minds ATS has to offer?

Heres a snippet of the first 5 Grievances.
1. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
2. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give CEO’s exorbitant bonuses.
3. They have perpetuated gender inequality and discrimination in the workplace.
4. They have poisoned the food supply, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
5. They have continuously sought to end the rights of workers to negotiate their pay and make complaints about the safety of their workplace.

I agree 1000% with this!

reply to post by firegoggles


It would be closed i think.

This is the beginning of the Revolution. The details, the situation, the particular issues really don't matter as much as the root cause. We are being squeezed by those in power. They are taking ever increasing percentages of our incomes, our lives, our energy and using it for morally reprehensible things without our permission. The population worldwide is beginning to awaken and see that we have been supporting a lie. Everything we have been told is false. we have been played for suckers and our general good intentions exploited for their gain. The worldwide riots are being portrayes as loose bands of disaffected youth and vandals. In reality, most are basic rescouce wars in their infancy. People are hungry. People are angry. People are fed up with exploitation and indentured servitude.

I think the game is up. We know who is to blame and we are striking at the vehicle of their deceit. This is only the beginning. They know this and are beginning to panic. They are jumping the gun and making some serious judgement errors that further tip their hand. It is over for them, but they will throw everything they have at us in a final effort to regain a semblance of control. Hubris and a disproportionate sense of superiority and control will prove to be their undoing. It is an illusion afterall. Control only exisst by consensus. We no longer concede...

Those of us that get stuck on the details and on our couches will regret our indecision and inaction in the civilization that will follow. It will belong to the youth of this country. Old ways of thinking will fall as will those that stubornly adhere to them.

Fan the flames.

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by morder1

 

It's actually quite organized for the fact that they are not centralizing a person or specific body of people to represent the goals of the movement. It throws people on the outside off. It's a smart strategy for confusing the would be enemy.

I still think the movement is shady as far as who is behind the motivation and my fellow American's are getting duped in my opinion as well and I only hope that none of them get hurt in the process.

^^^^ I have to agree.
This whole movement is just too......simple? scripted? just enough..but not enough? I dunno.

I just have this feeling this is a setup. For what? How? I haven't a clue. Just feels that way to me.

I agree with alot ( not all) of the grievances, but still say something smells funny.. and it isnt the spilled bongwater.

reply to post by deadeyedick


I considered that of course.... Wouldn't it be just .. well ideas? So it would get closed over ideas? Oh the times we live in.....

I won't be Happy til the grab Lloyd Blankfein out on the Streets and Tar and Feather him.

reply to post by morder1

Originally posted by jenk1013
reply to post by NoAngel2u

 

Totally agree NoAngel2u. There are way too many demands/issues being presented here.

Not to mention the fact that most Americans have the attention span of a fly and won't even be willing to take the time to read and truly understand the message. Why not just sum it up as you said? END CORPORATOCRACY RESTORE DEMOCRACY. Easy, simple, non-divisive message. I don't think there is anyone other than the 1% elite who would be against that.

edit on 29-9-2011 by jenk1013 because: (no reason given)

Yes, this protest is not about Wall Street. The list of demands has very little to do directly with Wall Street. For instance this one

3.They have perpetuated gender inequality and discrimination in the workplace.

This is a feminist demand and has nothing to do with the bailouts or the real workings of Wall Street Finance. It is dredging up the old ERA which was never ratified by Congress because it would force pregnant women and mothers onto the front of battle against their will. I remember when this was going on during the 70's and 80's.

During most of those years, ERA had attached to it the Hayden Clause which read: "Nothing in this Amendment will be construed to deprive persons of the female sex of any of the rights, benefits, and exemptions now conferred by law on persons of the female sex." Then, as now, the advocates were unwilling to compromise for anything less than a doctrinaire equality, and so ERA went nowhere

The Equal Rights Amendment was presented to the American public as something that would benefit women, "put women in the U.S. Constitution," and lift women out of their so-called "second-class citizenship." However, in thousands of debates, the ERA advocates were unable to show any way that ERA would benefit women or end any discrimination against them. The fact is that women already enjoy every constitutional right that men enjoy and have enjoyed equal employment opportunity since 1964.

The House passed ERA on October 12, 1971, after rejecting the Wiggins Amendment which would have exempted women from "compulsory military service" and which also would have preserved other laws "which reasonably promote the health and safety of the people." Only 23 Congressmen voted no, of whom one was the senior female member, Representative Leonor Sullivan (D-MO), who made a strong speech opposing ERA because it would harm the family.

The Ervin amendments would have exempted women from compulsory military service and from combat duty; they would have protected the traditional rights of wives, mothers and widows, and preserved the responsibility of fathers to support their children; they would have preserved laws that secure privacy to males and females; they would have continued the laws that make sexual offenses punishable as crimes. All these modifying clauses were defeated. When ERA was passed in strict, absolute language, only nine Senators voted "no."

www.eagleforum.org...

So, why is this bit about gender discrimination being bandied about as a major demand of these protesters? The answer is that this is really a list of demands which contains an enormous amount of radicalism, and it was never just about Wall Street, at least not to those who organized it. It's possible some old ERA proponent from the 70's came up and said, oh while we are protesting Wall Street let's go back to the ERA while we are at it.
No. 4 suggests that somehow Wall Street is directly responsible for poisoning our food supply. I am guessing this is for allowing the evil Monsanto to trade publicly....I'm not really sure....but it also is a ridiculous demand for Wall Street. If they want to protest poisons in the food, why don't they picket the WH and protest the FDA, because they are the ones who caved to lobbyists promoting aspartame. But again, this protest is really about attacking Capitalism. In that demand, they also target monopolization, which again, is not Wall Street trading. Perhaps they meant insider trading. When did these people protest POTUS taking 85 million for his part in the BP Oil spill? Again, this was insider trading, and the Oil Spill was periphery except that the side issue of that was to allow BP to experiment with Corexit. The demand does not expressly deal with insider trading as an issue though and seems to be more of an attack on Capitalism. That is the same old song and dance of socialism and that is why we are seeing socialist demands in this long laundry list.

Is this both a liberal and a conservative cause or is it both
or is it neither
Guess what this is a "People's" cause
Maybe we need a new paradigm since the democratic party doesn't really represent the majority of the liberals in what they think. And in the same vein the republican party doesn't really represent the majority of the conservatives in what they think.

GO People!!!!

I couldn't find a better quality but this is too funny.

reply to post by deadeyedick


Lol!

It took a little to build up, but hahah when he starts walking down the street, thats awesome...