The Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

reply to post by Flint2011


It is the NYPD's job to care for the safety of these people while they protest as granted by the constitution. It has already been shown that the police are more prone to violence than the people. Refer to Office Bologna for a specific case.

So I wouldn't worry about the NYPD! These protests will remain peaceful until the higher-ups try to remove them.

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by TheThirdAdam

 

I do and it worries me a great deal. It's my belief that is already motivated by would be hijackers. I just constantly worry about those people out there and there safety as well as NYPD's safety. Way to much can go wrong really quick on both sides of the fence.

You are absolutely right, but not only have they put public safety at risk by having no official structure, they are paving the way to our right to protest to be taken away. Let's just say that someone who would never benefit from civil protest decided to employ thugs to turn this thing violent, how long do you think we would still be able to legally protest?

reply to post by michaelmcclen


Well put. It's always nice to be able to meet people half way even when I can't always agree with them. It's important that education be int he hands of the people who will not bend it to there own agenda as well.

And it's my opinion that we need more art majors and philosophy majors etc. These are the people inspire the beauty in life and motivate us all to reach to the stars. They represent the core of social evolution in my opinion.

reply to post by TheThirdAdam


Not trying to butt in, but it doesn't matter whether or not they turn violent. It is our right to protest, and cannot be taken away as long as the constitution is in place.

reply to post by CheshireR


No one said to forbid them; they just will not have any assistance in getting into college. You can come from a very impoverished back ground, work hard in school and get good grades, guess what you are going to college first before that rich kid who slacked off. Money in education should not be relevant. It should be based upon your intelligence and if you applied your intelligence in school. Why should hard working students who have a natural advantage over others be treated equally as those who are less intelligent than them? That is a serious injustice.

People are naturally unequal; no one said you cannot go to school without being intelligent just that the intelligent ones are first priority and colleges should have very high standards for academic achievement. Sorry if treating people based upon their abilities is such a ridiculous thought to you, I guess equality should come first so we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya while Mr. C student runs for President.

Reality will welcome you if you are ever interested in visiting.

reply to post by TheThirdAdam


I see it all to clearly and it scares the hell out of me and is the foremost reason why I worry so much for people's safety out there. It just has all the ingredients to go bad and I fear it will. I hope it won't though.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


You are absolutely right but I am damn tired of Americans hurting Americans in this country. There is enough violence in the world without anymore bloodshed. Whether it be cops hurting citizens there or vice versa. That are people who so much more to gain by it going bad and those who will suffer get the blunt end of it with nothing to gain at all.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by TheThirdAdam

 

Not trying to butt in, but it doesn't matter whether or not they turn violent. It is our right to protest, and cannot be taken away as long as the constitution is in place.

Hmmm... Because the constitution isn't being rewritten and the civil liberties that it gives us aren't already being diminished? Maybe we're reading different current events here, but seems like that would be very precedented to me

Personally, I think the protesters being "disorganised" is not necessarily a bad thing. What happens when you show a boxer your face/head? It gets knocked off! However the protesters would do very well to organise groups of spokespeople, who can liase with the media, police etc. If it were structured correctly, contingencies could be put in place, allowing for arrests, disappearances etc and still retaining a voice. I don't know, I'm sure there are others on ATS who will have better ideas.

Also on a side note, there has been zero coverage of this here in Australia as far as I have seen.

reply to post by Screwed


Oh here we go, Mr. Citizen of the World. Labels are important, just like categories; they help identify who you are. If you let them define you, well that is wrong, but if you achieve that label through personal exploration then who is it hurting?

I am Human, American, Floridian, conservative, Christian, white, male, etc… it is a way of identifying who you are within a larger makeup. If you let these categories define you, then yes that is a problem, but I do not. Things are Left and Right, just as they are black and white, up and down, etc…

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by CheshireR

 

I guess equality should come first so we can all hold hands and sink kumbaya while Mr. C student runs for President.

Reality will welcome you if you are ever interested in visiting.

edit on 9/29/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)

Well considering your president;

Barack Hussein Obama II (Listeni/bəˈrɑːk huːˈseɪn oʊˈbɑːmə/; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first African American to hold the office. Obama previously served as a United States Senator from Illinois, from January 2005 until he resigned following his victory in the 2008 presidential election.

Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.

Has an extremely prestigious education and getting into Harvard is no C student achievement, im starting to wonder if putting a C student would make a diffrence because Obama isint with that amazing education. Or should I say he couldent do any worse!

Not that im saying your advocating Obama as being amazing but im just making a comparrison to your quote.

& a light hearted quote =)
Albert Einstein "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"

reply to post by morder1

Well what is attainable without economic power besides the needs of Socialists?Are they suggesting that democracy can only be reached through Socialism which will further consume the Constitution and our "individual rights,"of privacy.Just how well does Socialism fit into a Democratic Republic,it don't,just ask Ron Paul.

This whole thing smells real fishy to me.It even looks as if the original Occupiers wrote the Declaration,and when the Unions stepped in they made grievances on behalf of all present.

Clearly there are two different groups going to be present.The pissed off Americans who know the Corporate Imperialist have stolen all our money,hijacked the planet with 9/11,and the Socialist within the Union Parties.Pretty soon it will look like 1968 all over again.

Let's see if they boycott the Democratic National Convention in 2012 and we locate the subversive group/s behind it.
Great Video

reply to post by Flint2011

I can agree. There is too much violence.

But we should always uphold our rights no matter what the small minority may do.

reply to post by TheThirdAdam

That's another story. But why should we give up our rights just because someone is trying to take them away? Isn't that the situation in which you fight for your rights?

man, reading that declaration gave me the chills.

this looks good folks, progress.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


It's easy to say when it's not your head being bashed in or your eyes being maced or the mother or family member of a cop who won't be coming home ever again. Violence is never the answer no matter what end of the fight you are on. That is what they use against us all. They turn us against one another and divide us and conquer us. So what are you really sticking up for? Your rights as they were told you they were or someone Else's illusions. I don't condone anyone standy by the sideline and letting others stripped them of who they are but let's face it. No one no matter how smart or dumb they are really knows which way is up but we all know that hurting people is definitely not acceptable ever yet is happens everyday in our country and in the world. When are people going to stand up for that to be stopped and actually do something about it? So see, it's not me debating your intentions or anyone in the thing. It's the influence behind it that worries me for everyone's safety that I speak of.

WE live in a Damned if you do and a damned if you don't world and I am sick of it. Just saying. Keep up with the great discussions though. I commend all of you.

reply to post by Flint2011


You're correct to say that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. There is no way around it.

I would only say that I am not a violent person at all. If you look at some of my threads and posts, I am all about a positive outlook and talking to people before something has to go violent.

That being said, I have had to protect myself against police and other people. There are times when you have to whoop some ass and send em packin'! I hate if it ever comes to that, but I am willing to defend what I KNOW is mine and what is my right to defend......and I enjoy the conversation as well.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by Screwed

 

Oh here we go, Mr. Citizen of the World.

Labels are important, just like categories; they help identify who you are. If you let them define you, well that is wrong, but if you achieve that label through personal exploration then who is it hurting?

I am Human, American, Floridian, conservative, Christian, white, male, etc… it is a way of identifying who you are within a larger makeup. If you let these categories define you, then yes that is a problem, but I do not. Things are Left and Right, just as they are black and white, up and down, etc…

I tried.
Good luck on your journey.

reply to post by Misoir


Lovely answer but you seem not to take into consideration that there are other solutions than prioritizing smart students. I still disagree with you just for the simple fact that you wish to treat people differently based on intelligence, even if it's more efficient to help smart students succeed. How about making sure everyone can afford to study? That would be a better solution to the smart kid that can't afford to go to school. As for C students doing higher studies, it's not like they aren't smart if they can get there(universities need them anyways to pay tuition fees so they can buy more material for the school. Even if they fail over and over it just makes them more money...). If such student applies to be president and isn't smart enough he won't even get to the ballot. Then again you can have a high education and be smart but the way the government is right now the president is just a puppet anyways.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I agree that our rights as defined in the bill of rights are very much worth fighting for, but let me ask you this: who stood up and fought against the patriot act? Nobody. That violated our fourth amendment rights. What about gun control laws being passed? I don't remember anyone standing up and just saying no and standing their ground. What about freedom of speech? I can think of quite a few things that could be said that could land someone in prison.

When this thing turns into a riot that shuts down manhatton and the feds come in and put a stop to it and say no more protest, who's gonna stand up and say that can't take that right away?

Originally posted by Misoir

But do we really need to drag in these cultural issues which will certainly alienate Conservatives such as me. How about just leaving it as a protest against the treasonous elites?

edit on 9/29/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)

As much as I completely respect what they are doing down there and support their efforts, I have to agree with you on this statement. I feel like they are destined to fail with too many demands. As you said, it alienates people. This is so frustrating because I really do feel like they are on to something. Grrrr!!!!