The Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

Originally posted by flice

This is the beginning... and what a glorious beginning.

I'm sure thats what the Germans thought too when Hitler first started with his campaign that "was in the best interest of the people." This is exactly how dictators rise to power... Just read what history books say about the rise of almost any oppressive government and how they came about. You will see that very few tyrants took their power by force. Just read about Castro and his rise to dictatorship.

Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by flice

This is the beginning... and what a glorious beginning.

I'm sure thats what the Germans thought too when Hitler first started with his campaign that "was in the best interest of the people." This is exactly how dictators rise to power... Just read what history books say about the rise of almost any oppressive government and how they came about. You will see that very few tyrants took their power by force. Just read about Castro and his rise to dictatorship.

Wait a minute ... you lost me here ... are you talking about George W. Bush? He took away the rights of the people, under the guise of "protecting the people". That is just what hitler did ... and now, you are trying to think that demonstrators are?

I think your lost in your thoughts.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
RIght now on the livestream is a woman saying that "in the US, a dog has more rights than an immigrant", which translates to giving equal rights to illegal immigrants as citizens. This is nothing more than a leftist radical protest against Capitalism mixed up with some anti-Americanism and demands for socialist democracy.

What is the patriot act ...

The word patriotism, is just another word for nationalism, which in german translates nazism.

If I was religious, and fanatic ... I'd say George W. Bush the older, and his son George W. Bush, were the father and the son, predicted to end the world. But I'm not, but I still find it pathetic to see Americans talking about Americanism, and defending the lot that have murdered over a million people in the world, amongst them women and unborn children.

And finally, here is an AMERICAN joke ...

When the cops in NY arrive at a crime scene, they check the suspect. If he's a jew, they let him go. If he's a christian, they check if he's got a gun and if he does, they take him in for questioning. If he's black, they check if he has a gun, and if he does they shoot him. If he's a puerto rican, they shoot him, and check for a gun later..

And of course, dear ... we have the live witness of American tolerance, when the black african student, was shot 30 times. He wasn't even a suspect, he was just a black man in NY.

Originally posted by undo
the missing secret ingredient is when the leaders stop believing in a higher power (and by higher power, i don't mean bankers or illuminati). if they don't think they are answerable inevitably, they misbehave like the rest of us. they make mistakes. they lie. they steal. they cheat. they exaggerate. etc. when they believe they are answerable to a higher power, they straighten right up and suddenly, you have a much fairer form of government. the mess the world is in, is directly proportionate to the godless world view of the leaders.

edit on 30-9-2011 by undo because: (no reason given)

Wrong again ...

With GOD in the world, the Kings and Queens, alot themselves as "Gods representatives on earth". How did Crazy King George put it, in Pirates of the Carribean? (my favorite quote) ...

Son, they become worse ... they slaughter people by the millions, as cattle ... because they are the direct descendants of God.

Religion, is a tool to rule ... your mind. Because Jesus said, Kingdom of Heavin is in your heart. Meaning, that in your heart is where true freedom lies. The answer to this, is religion ... it helps rule your heart ... and owns your soul.

It's the tool of the Devil himself. If there was such a thing, as God and the Devil, that is.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by michaelmcclen

 

Everyone receives free K-12 in this country, period. Beyond that you must earn your way into college. In my opinion we need far less people in our colleges, when ‘higher education’ just becomes another stage of education for people it loses the ‘higher’ part of its title. When every moron who can garner a C average is allowed in, it weighs down the credibility of a degree. Then everyone will start moving towards having a Masters because most have Bachelors, and on and on. We have to draw the line somewhere.

The state should pay for higher education, I agree, but only for the ones colleges deem to be the most promising. This filters out the less desirable from bogging down the worth of degrees. The whole notion of equality of education is a sham and destructive for the high achievers. If you had 4.0 in school and get a Bachelors in College you have basically as much worth as the guy who was getting stoned, partying, and having a good time in high school and college but just barely earned a degree. It is an insult to treat people equally in my opinion when we are inherently unequal.

Evolution would say natural selection, let the intelligent move on and leave the weakest links to die. So do not bring evolution into the discussion here.

I agree and disagree with this post.(!)
Yes, lowering standards just to get the numbers up is bad, overtaxing the schools with useless subjects & too many students is bad. But that's all financial
The better option is to educate EVERYONE to as a high standard as possible, but sadly education is seen as a problem rather than as a solution.
The fact that we are inequal (unique) makes us what we are. If we can learn to co-operate each to his ability without any form of prejudice, we could finally progress into a 'type 1 civilisation'.
As for evolution, i think the fittest & strongest would survive, not necessarily the smartest
ETA; If i was smart, i would be living in a cave in Norway, but i'm not......

reply to post by bjarneorn


Yes bush did that under the guise of protection from terrorism, but what these people want is government protection from social/economic injustice... it handing would be communist leaders another layup in the same game

I agree with all of the points.

are you all watching this? its crazy wow just wow

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So im gonna say that it will be no later than Monday before the national guard is called in... way to go dumbasses

reply to post by Misoir


Blah blah blah. ATS' armchair politicians strike again.

At least these people are doing SOMETHING, unlike the rest of us that sit on here and bitch about them. I support what these protestors are doing in NYC because if I didn't have a job and schooling to worry about, then I would be right there with them.

reply to post by TheThirdAdam


Who's a dumbass? The guy on ATS calling others dumbasses?

Why don't you get your ass down there and tell them?

Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by morder1

 

This has been brewing for a long time. We can not allow a group of NWO cronies get their hands on this movement and twist to what they want. Don't forget Al Gore called for a US Arab Spring not long before this happened. There hasn't been a revolution or war without the banksters hands all over it. This needs to be the first one. Everyone hold the line and stay aware.

if you are not aware of who is funding this event, then you are truly unaware and no matter how you twist it, the money is doing the talking. And, if Al Gore called for it, you be assured it's loaded with self-interests (his and his cronies)

Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by flice

This is the beginning... and what a glorious beginning.

I'm sure thats what the Germans thought too when Hitler first started with his campaign that "was in the best interest of the people." This is exactly how dictators rise to power... Just read what history books say about the rise of almost any oppressive government and how they came about. You will see that very few tyrants took their power by force. Just read about Castro and his rise to dictatorship.

Wait a minute ... you lost me here ... are you talking about George W. Bush? He took away the rights of the people, under the guise of "protecting the people". That is just what hitler did ... and now, you are trying to think that demonstrators are?

I think your lost in your thoughts.

if your history knowledge begins with Bush (either of them) tis no wonder you have no idea what is happening or why. Yes, Bush contributed to the theft of American freedom but he certainly isn't "responsible" like you tend to infer.
What a shame activists of today only see their own lifetimes (maybe 20yrs) as a historical viewpoint ... if only they reallllly knew the whole story ... but credits to those who are willing to learn rather march to their graves as nothing more than a footnote.

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Is there a particular history book you have in mind? History books usually cover alot of different things, I am sure you have something in mind and if no one else I want to know wtf you are talking about. Dependant on what book you are talking about in the same stroke of penmanship wasnt Hitler also declared Time Magazines man of the year? I cannot advocate things people long dead have tried to do but perhaps a little history will tell you empires rise and fall and peoples spirit can be compromised over the illusion of their supposed apparent right to what is apparently power, in context power being the ability to rally people to do something good or evil, now tell me about these books please.

ETA
What I meant was you are right about how dictators can come about but history will tell us that if anything this is natural I want to find a book that goes against that is what I mean by this

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Misoir

 

Blah blah blah. ATS' armchair politicians strike again.

At least these people are doing SOMETHING, unlike the rest of us that sit on here and bitch about them. I support what these protestors are doing in NYC because if I didn't have a job and schooling to worry about, then I would be right there with them.

That's kinda the point isn't it though? You have an education and the decency to work for what you have. I find it hard to believe that these protesters who are demanding a redistribution of wealth are all reasonable, intelligent, and responsible adults. If they were they would have taken into consideration the honest folks that
they were hurting by blocking off the Brooklyn bridge... WTF does a bridge have to do with anything pertaining to wall st?

Hence "way to go dumbasses!" And also the fact that actions like that will quickly get them either hurt or disbursed. So yeah, DUMBASSES

Late to the party but compelled to do one of my "list" things, I have to see a psychiatrist about this.....

“As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

You've identified your enemy: corporations, or rather, the corporate culture. Good luck with this.

As one people, formerly… divided by the color of our skin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or lack thereof, political party and cultural background, we acknowledge the reality: that there is only one race, the human race, and our survival requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their brethren; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, ...

So far, this is the ideal circumstance; but the foundation of inequality, and the pliant nature of popular opinion, make it difficult to visualize as a reality. Humans are fractious, opinionated, occasionally prideful, and vain. This reality contributes to a very stringent path, which few follow, either because they don't want to, or they can't...

... but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

Corporations are neither human, nor people. It is a construct, a socioeconomic artifact, as such it represents a systematic approach to an objective: amassing perpetual revenue. All the rest is a factor of how people apply the tool, change the rules, and generally do everything possible to succeed as they are taught to perceive, and measure, "success."

"Humanizing" or even demonizing the corporate model is akin to blaming a gun for a death..., we KNOW what, or more precisely, who "kills people."

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

This has happened, they got caught, the fact that the bloated political system is dragging its feet on remedying the deficiency is more on them than the corporations themselves. After all, they're supposed to be protecting us, right?

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give CEO’s exorbitant bonuses.

Define, "exorbitant." I feel they deserve whatever compensation for which they negotiated. The problem there is not the corporation, but the board. Again we return to "people."

They have perpetuated gender inequality and discrimination in the workplace.

I beg to differ, THAT particular sin, falls squarely on us. We allowed it to happen..., and still do. It is not the responsibility of a corporate institution to reform human nature... that task belongs to society, not her constructs.

They have poisoned the food supply, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

I am unsure who the author or authors of this list are, but I mean no disrespect to them or their noble cause when I say this is a poor statement.

We have allowed them to do these things. Our "representatives" have a job.., most of us don't verbalize it, and few are surprised it doesn't happen... but we expect them to regulate commerce with a particular agenda... the public good. That hasn't happened, and we return this time to more "people" ... in this case, the political servants.

They have continuously sought to end the rights of workers to negotiate their pay and make complaints about the safety of their workplace.

And those proclaiming support of the worker have consistently abused the priviledge of their representation as well. In human culture around the world, representation equates to political relevance. Political relevance is, to the human moral condition, a great temptation. I would wager even people within your own organization may come to mind if you ponder it well enough.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

Don't get me wrong. This is as valid an observation as I can imagine. But we must also realize that the "education" system is virtually driven by political expedience. It is the food for the ego of the elite. The system has been slowly reengineered to produce revenue. It has been so for decades. Where have you been? The system itself, (I would have imagined, in a parallel version of that ideal you initially espoused,) that the honorable and genuine drive to advance mankind's knowledge, would have presented as least token resistance to the temptation.... They apparently did not succeed, if they did try. Between the policies which engender revenue and the presence of a corporation, a wealth hole, I can only see people who we can describe only as euphuisms allow... because in the end, we really don't 'get' to know who they are.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

Yes; this is the doctrine of profit. That is exactly what they are going to do since they are "people" and we can't interfere with their "freedom." Would it have been outrageous disincentive to have never made the allowance for such a sad paradigm? That an immortal corporation has right protected by OUR constitution which supersede OUR own. If they can increase their revenue - without breaking any laws - they are expected to. THAT's what corporations chartered for enterprise do. Once again, perhaps our "representatives" should reconsider this element of relatively recent Jurisprudence... after all, we can all see where it has gotten 99% of us, no? It's not the corporation. It what the people using it do that makes the problem.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

This may be the truest of all your grievances thus far. That DID happen, and before long corporate influence will rewrite history to characterize its benevolence. But there WERE those who knew it was happening. And they did nothing. Again the poison of narcissism and vainglory injected itself into the affairs of people via "representation". Corrupt the right man, and you can rule the world. I have very little doubt that such an idea constitutes "a joke" to some.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

Yes they have, and they have likewise inserted themselves into the regulatory and public policy-making process.... once again - our representative failed us. They sold out. I'm starting to think maybe you're protesting the wrong place. But my mind is open, and as you can see, I am no denigrator of lofty ambitions of approaching a better place for everyone.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They were the instrument. Save your anger for one wielding it. Again, our politicians seem to be one and the same with the corporate profit machines and their agendas..... of course most don't see this. They are told not to look... that way lies madness. "We have no right to privacy" they proclaim as if tritely winning in some sophistic exchange. BUt we are not stupid people. As much and as hard as the establishment wishes to have us think so, we are not stupid. We know the government participated in the crafting of the policies which make corporation the beneficiaries; and they do it in exchange for services and political "reach." It's that straightforward. All the while the political parties make rich, rich, rich, people, much richer. Its a game. We are a "game" to them. Therefore our privacy is an illusion. Only WE can make it real. And I promise that protesting Wall street will not MAKE that happen. Quite the contrary, I should think.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

No.... they BOUGHT the press. Where HAVE you been?

they have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

No, you putting the cart before the horse here. Those who direct corporate activity are the ones who rely on actuarial tables that tell them that you can increase profit by leveraging the cost of producing a safer product against liability for injury. It's math to the construct. Nothing more. Now the people who USE this liberty to their advantage need to explain themselves.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

No. They are ALLOWED to make policy and regulate themselves BY OUR REPRESENTATIVES. I really think your yelling at a gun for shooting you.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

No argument. But of course. We are letting it happen... at least the politicians are.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

Fossil Fuel (hah!) profit is only one form of monopolized essential ingredient for 'civilization.' But those who direct corporate activity will do whatever makes them the most profit, grants them the most political relevance, and ensures their status quo.... Sounds like something that should be measured, evaluated, and analyzed. Except we can't threaten their "right to trade."

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

Look at their charters. The corporations are defined to make profit. They will make as much "as the market bears." Once again, regulation against abuse, or that the corporate entity is a toxin in our midst, is lacking.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty book keeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

Even dime store owners have been known to cook the books. It's possible because of the regulations and enforcement devoted to keeping corporations honest.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

Someone does. Corporations are the tool.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have, and do. And as long as their is no renaissance of the corporate culture, they will again.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They have been CONTRACTED to do so. In this they share responsibility, but most of the shame.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

Buyer = Seller. Of course they do. Did you expect the government to make it's own weapons? Where's the profit in that? /sarcasm here

They have participated in a directly racist action by accepting the contract from the State of Georgia to murder Troy Davis.

Someone influential in your group has an agenda, eh? A bit ham-handed. Our government has a contract that ensure just treatment. If there is/was a flaw in the execution of justice; it falls on them.



I omit the remainder of your plea for support and participation; since "the avalanche has begun, its too late for the pebbles to vote."






I am afraid I find a greatly misdirected effort here. This is my opinion.

Would it be wrong to wish you success in your pursuit of a more ideal world?

Gerald Celente predicted this event taking place on Coast To Coast AM when Tunisian Dictator was overflown. trendsresearch.com

Originally posted by Maxmars
We have allowed them to do these things.

With all due respect, Max, that is a weak statement when one considers generational attentions. This is actually a sociological attention more than it is cliched. The internet has set its' roots and given many the opportunity to gain information and express opinion when such was impossible a mere decade ago.

That is what we are seeing here...a society rooted in a system where culpability was impossible, where instant research was impossible, where education was the lacking school system and mainstream media (newspapers, really?)...

The system was not set up for people to be properly informed and to properly equate their pleasure or displeasure...that was left to those bred into the positions of power.

The internet has changed that.

We allowed nothing. They took everything and coaxed it along.

Now it is the 99%'s turn to talk.

This will not end and I see something major happening in the next decade or so...way ahead of schedule...

I'm sorry for the repost, but this is more detailed from my last one.

Hey I heard Gerald Celente on Coast To coast AM when Tunisian Dictator fell and this is what he predicted. www.trendsresearch.com...

9. Youth of the World Unite University degrees in hand yet out of work, in debt and with no prospects on the horizon, feeling betrayed and angry, forced to live back at home, young adults and 20-somethings are mad as hell, and they’re not going to take it anymore. Filled with vigor, rife with passion, but not mature enough to control their impulses, the confrontations they engage in will often escalate disproportionately.
Government efforts to exert control and return the youth to quiet complacency will be ham-fisted and ineffectual. The Revolution will be televised … blogged, YouTubed, Twittered and….