so where is felipe calderon on this one?

remember that big lecture speech he gave arizona about the new law?

youd think hed be a little more pissed off about this...

whats even more embarrassing, is that the government got massively ripped off.

690+ ak-47's and all they got was $350 thousand. that's 500 a piece.

they were practically giving them away. they should have gotten $5000 a piece. when you're selling illegal guns to multi billion dollar narcotic empires, that's the minimum.

this was a joke. they could have traded coc aine for them and set up a massive sting that could have crippled them.

anyone, who touched the coc aine would have been implicated. obama's is just like all the "smart" elite. he's in another world, where all the problems he tackles is whether to have the mashed potatoes with the white house roast beef.

Originally posted by OldCorp

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I'll also echo a previous poster who said that if Obama goes down for this, then Bush should go down for his crimes as well - they BOTH have innocent blood on their hands. Imagine for just a second, in a perfect world, Bush and Obama sharing a jail cell... I wonder who the bitch would be?

Its so refreshing to be participating in a site where there are people who realize we've got scumbags on "both sides" of the proverbial aisle. Until I found ATS, I was stuck reading posts from right-tards on one news site, and left-tards on another. One side thinks Bush was a great president and Obama terrible, the other vice versa. In very few places can you find a decent percentage of people smart enough to realize that Bush & Obama (and both of their kindreds) are two very similar sides of the same coin.
Edit > Meant to add: thanks for the visual of the most recent two worst presidents in history rotting in jail together.

Originally posted by randomname
this was a joke. they could have traded coc aine for them and set up a massive sting that could have crippled them.

anyone, who touched the coc aine would have been implicated. obama's is just like all the "smart" elite. he's in another world, where all the problems he tackles is whether to have the mashed potatoes with the white house roast beef.

That's like trading Gasoline to an oil company for payment.... Why would they want it? they manufacture it, or have it manufactured for pennies on the $100.

I wonder if this "Fast and Furious" played any part in the Administration's bullying tactics with AZ's immigration law? Especially, considering if the AZ immigration law would have been implemented, then this F and F may have been found out about sooner.

Could this be the reason the Obama Administration chose to specifically target AZ's immigration laws and not some of the other states with similar, or more strict, immigraiton policies?

Back when the immigration thing was front page, I often wondered why the Administration chose this state to strong-arm, and so viciously too. I kept thinking to myself, 'there is something else going on here that we are not seeing, besides wanting to look good to the hispanic voters'. Could also explain Obama's over-the-top red carpet treatment of Mexico's President. Not to mention the amount of podium and camera time O gave the guy to specifically and directly address the American People. I mean, what President does that? Another nation's leader, in from of the White House, talking down to The People, really?

Hmmm, get's more and more interesting.,

A bit off-topc, but FWIW: I also thought it wierd that Osama Bin Laden was killed the same weekend that Holder was first being questioned about the Fast and Furious, by congress. That being the first time someone as high up as Holder was being officially questioned, on record, should have garnered MUCH more media attention (even though it was also the Royal Wedding weekend). The Holder questioning was over-shadowed by the Osama death. I wonder how many journalists were immediately taken from the congressional hearing and immediately charted off to Afganistan?

Curioser and Curioser...

Originally posted by stirling
Naw, the Cover up would be even more brutal thats all......As it is, it pretty much raises the specter of goverment involvement directly with the Sinaloa Cartel, which was the primary recipient of the arms.
...GEE THIS IS A LONG ONE ... excuse me misoir,,,
Consider the Menna airport sandal in the US., precursor history to this and i think youll not be far afield.
Its far more complicated, and far deeper and more convoluted than the average citizen may want to contemplate.
This has to be independantly researched and investigated, by somebody with very deep pockets and who is immune to both criminal and goverment retaliation.
Is there suich an entity?
Just the public en masse i think.
Go get em Annonymous!
Do something real instead of screwing with peoples emails.
Hack some real time information on these subjects and youll get my support!
But thats off topic so just diregard that last........................s

Great insights and logical "who's who" for the internal conflict
within the families! Here's yer star----
I believe the traction this story is getting (versus the PTB's ability
to plug the infodam) just MAY be very soon like John Rappaport's
metahor of "trying to hold an inflating beach ball underwater...)
pretty soon that little scrap of plastic is going to be one ungainly
mother. We can hope, my friend.... it doesn't matter at this point
who the finger is pointing at, because just about everybody in the
gubment who wants us disarmed stood to gain from trying to back
door the 2nd. Good luck with that one, fellas.
"Tree--rope--journalist: some assembly required." unknown

Originally posted by derfreebie
it doesn't matter at this point
who the finger is pointing at, because just about everybody in the
gubment who wants us disarmed stood to gain from trying to back
door the 2nd

What exactly could they gain from releasing guns to another country that aren't even purchasable by the general public if they were trying to rail against the right to bear arms? They have plenty of cases for that; I don't believe this is one of them. They f'd up - badly. I'm sure they'd rather just forget it ever happened.

Something just came to mind, if indeed our govt would do such a thing.... and is still a real stretch...
The price thing is an obvious real problem. There needs to be a better reason why sold so cheap.
It would be interesting if you could obtain one of these weapons and totally strip it down and see if there may be some kind of device, or chip, or whatever embedded in it; that would make it possible to locate it, like a Lojack or GPS, but probably alot more sophisticated and undetectable......

That would make some kind of sense, so perhaps it is wrong.
IMHO

Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
And this isn't Watergate. Not by a mile.

You're right. This resulted in far more gruesome and deadly results. The chain of command is complicit in mass murder, many thousands of victims in mass graves and the most gruesome of tortures.

its clear from the article that this wasnt just a misguided plot to identify mexican drug lords, it was about justifying new gun laws, and the atf, fbi, justice dept and obama administration in general are complicit in it.

business as usual it seems.

according to the article atf whistleblowers admitted that it wasnt clear how this strategy could result in identifying the cartel leaders.

its like that south park episode.

step one, collect underpants, this is analogous to giving ak47's to a drug cartel.
step two, ?, this is analogous to allowing the untrackable weapons to be used in murders.
step three, profit, this is analogous to identifying king pins of the cartel.

there is no direct or indirect means to result in step 3 via step 2.

our government agencies make stupid decisions time and again, but this goes beyond "misguided sting operation" into the realm of the absurd.

we are to believe that between the atf, fbi, us justice dept, and key figures in the obama administration that the best plan they could come up with was one that was so profoundly stupid, and pointless that it was comparable to the underpants gnomes?

they arent that incompetent, its much more likely that this was indeed, a political maneuver.