remember that big lecture speech he gave arizona about the new law?
youd think hed be a little more pissed off about this...
edit on 30-9-2011 by RelentlessLurker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OldCorp
I'll also echo a previous poster who said that if Obama goes down for this, then Bush should go down for his crimes as well - they BOTH have innocent blood on their hands. Imagine for just a second, in a perfect world, Bush and Obama sharing a jail cell... I wonder who the bitch would be?
Originally posted by randomname
this was a joke. they could have traded coc aine for them and set up a massive sting that could have crippled them.
anyone, who touched the coc aine would have been implicated. obama's is just like all the "smart" elite. he's in another world, where all the problems he tackles is whether to have the mashed potatoes with the white house roast beef.
Originally posted by ANNED
It sure has not stopped the ATF from making up there own laws without congresses approval.
Them telling gun dealer not to sell to "suspected" medical marijuana users with out the dealer having ANY WAY to know if someone is a user is just a catch 22 way of putting the screws to FFL dealers.
Now if a medical marijuana user buys a gun the dealer can be held responsible.
Plus the ATF could send in someone with a t-shirt with a marijuana leaf on it and then arrest or fine the dealer for selling a gun to that person just because the person MIGHT be a user.
The next thing that might happen is dealers may become afraid to sell to someone just because they have long hair or a beard(me) then the person that was refused may likely sue for discrimination causing the dealer a lot more legal problems.
Originally posted by SourGrapes
, I often wondered why the Administration chose this state to strong-arm, and so viciously too. I kept thinking to myself, 'there is something else going on here that we are not seeing, besides wanting to look good to the hispanic voters'.
Originally posted by stirling
Naw, the Cover up would be even more brutal thats all......As it is, it pretty much raises the specter of goverment involvement directly with the Sinaloa Cartel, which was the primary recipient of the arms.
...GEE THIS IS A LONG ONE ... excuse me misoir,,,
Consider the Menna airport sandal in the US., precursor history to this and i think youll not be far afield.
Its far more complicated, and far deeper and more convoluted than the average citizen may want to contemplate.
This has to be independantly researched and investigated, by somebody with very deep pockets and who is immune to both criminal and goverment retaliation.
Is there suich an entity?
Just the public en masse i think.
Go get em Annonymous!
Do something real instead of screwing with peoples emails.
Hack some real time information on these subjects and youll get my support!
But thats off topic so just diregard that last........................s
Originally posted by derfreebieWhat exactly could they gain from releasing guns to another country that aren't even purchasable by the general public if they were trying to rail against the right to bear arms? They have plenty of cases for that; I don't believe this is one of them. They f'd up - badly. I'm sure they'd rather just forget it ever happened.
it doesn't matter at this point
who the finger is pointing at, because just about everybody in the
gubment who wants us disarmed stood to gain from trying to back
door the 2nd
“The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon renamed ‘Operation Fast and Furious.’”
This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn’t necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels.
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonsterYou're right. This resulted in far more gruesome and deadly results. The chain of command is complicit in mass murder, many thousands of victims in mass graves and the most gruesome of tortures.
And this isn't Watergate. Not by a mile.
Originally posted by charlyv
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
Thanks, Missed it.
Seemed like an obvious suspicion.