Originally posted by Carseller4
Ron Paul's worst enemy is his own supporters.

edit on 29-9-2011 by KySc5 because: (no reason given)

I think the analysis is very premature. In the end, you're going to have four candidates in the Republican primary.

1) The Establishment Guy: Mitt Romney. His argument is the McCain argument, a moderate who doesn't frighten people on the otherside, offers a better economic platform, and has the best theoretical chance of beating Obama.

2) The Conservative Flavor of the Week: Michelle Bachmann, I mean Rick Perry, no Herman Cain, oh wait...whomever the conservative base decides they like in a given week will rise up the polls, and stay there until it is determined they voted wrong on a key issue. By that, I mean anything. Cain has a chance of staying there only because he doesn't have much of a record to have to defend, and he speaks well.

3) The Religious Zealot: Mike Huckabee when he was nice fit the role last year. Look for Rick Santorum to edge out Bachmann to claim this spot, and try to win on social issues.

4) Ron Paul: There will be 15-20% of the people voting for him in Republican primaries. Not all of them will be natural Republicans as the supporters will be registered and will vote, and can win in caucuses.

So in this scenario, who wins?

Mitt Romney still has odds in my book. Especially if foreign policy comes to the front. Cain's lack of experience in that area will hurt him.

Herman Cain can win if he sells a strong jobs platform and manages to push out some of the rest of the field. Romney has the establishment vote locked up, so Cain needs fewer rivals.

I can't see Rick Santorum winning, ever.

And Ron Paul. Ron Paul can win, but only in one scenario. If the dollar truly crashes and the banks go belly up in Europe, as seems very possible, the idea of a gold standard might just be the winning ticket. If people see massive inflation and threat of financial collapse looming because of the banking system, he just might do it.

If there was a foreign policy issue, however, like open war in the middle east, he can't win. Republicans are far too hawkish to vote for noninterventionism.

But he'd be a really interesting independent in that scenario, though I doubt that would happen.

The only wild card left in all this is Palin. For some reason, I still believe she jumps in, and she brings massive support of her own. Republican women will vote for her in droves, and it could be enough.

If I was asking Cain the question, I'd say:

"In the interests of full transparency in our government and for the taxpayer's money, would you support a regular audit of the Federal Reserve and all major governmental institutions to protect our dollars?"

And yes, I realize the Fed isn't a government institution per se, but that's the question that will get the answer you want. If he says no to that, then I have serious problems.

On a personal note, I'm a Paul supporter who did a ton of work for his campaign in '08, but I generally like Cain and what he has to say. Which doesn't make him not a corporate schill, but it does speak to the choices the Republican field offers. The only other one who strikes me as smart is Gingrich, but he has big problems. Love his books though.

herman cain is a federal reserve PICK...did you know he was on the BOD of a Fed branch?

lmfao

his 9 9 9 plan.....?

turn it upside down.. 6-6-6

you can't make this up. i'm one of the few who realizes it

We should start reporting troll threads.

it'll take more than a few rigged polls to make people vote Cain over Paul. I think they are diametrically opposed, a former fed director and Ron Paul, like Hamilton and Jefferson. Sure the Hamilton's will rig the system but the Jefferson's will be right in the end.

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
We should start reporting troll threads.

Hahaha, too funny.
Report yourself while you are at it for the one liner.

This thread is about real polls just like all the other threads were about polls that were flooded with Ron Paul fanatics to try to get people to think he was winning.

Well, Herman Cain is thoroughly whipping Ron Paul in voter support, gaining a first place and third place in two recent polls where there are no fanatics padding the numbers for him either.

Herman Cain is the real deal cinderella story, not Ron Paul.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
We should start reporting troll threads.

Hahaha, too funny.
Report yourself while you are at it for the one liner.

This thread is about real polls just like all the other threads were about polls that were flooded with Ron Paul fanatics to try to get people to think he was winning.

Well, Herman Cain is thoroughly whipping Ron Paul in voter support, gaining a first place and third place in two recent polls where there are no fanatics padding the numbers for him either.

Herman Cain is the real deal cinderella story, not Ron Paul.

Oooooooo two whole polls as opposed to how many Ron Paul has won? You can only vote once in polls online so there is no padding going on. Cain is an ex fed who would let our ME policies be dictated to us by Israel. Apparently Cain never bothered to study history when he is screaming they are our "friends" because "friends" don't spy on and murder your "friends". And his 9 9 9 is a good laugh 9% corporate tax they have been paying no taxes for years why start now? 9% personal tax it sounds good but will never happen how will you destroy the middle class if you let them have more money. 9% national tax oh goody yet another tax for the people just what we were hoping for.

Ron Paul polling second in NH and Iowa, let's see how Herman Cain is polling there. You want to make up things to discredit Ron Paul, that is cool, you just show how much more of a joke you are and end up discrediting yourself while Ron Paul remains a top tier GOP candidate and his supporters still remains supporters. You're not changing any minds about Ron Paul.

TinfoilTP, you never disappoint to prove again and again how much you love trolling Ron Paul, even going as far as saying Herman Cain has a shot at the GOP nomination.

Come on, bring some real game.

I've seen you accuse Ron Paul of anything negative you can google on him, you never stay solid on one single argument because you can never back it up, you spend all of your days on ATS trolling Ron Paul threads. I guess now that this troll thread has failed, you can go back to calling RP a racist? or does that not work anymore?

Keep this up and your fate will reveal itself as it did for former ATS member and Ron Paul troll, Kro32, unless you are kro32, that would be funny and not surprising.

based on what, straw polls ?

lolololol