Today is a big day, markets pricing in Lehman-like event

Initial claims chart on ZH shows that for every major drop down, there is a sudden surge upward the following week.

Yeah GDP is really still crap when you look at it against inflation. Good point^.

reply to post by flice


Yeah that isn't much different than what ENRON did... You think China is a bubble? You think America is a bubble? Europe is about to create the mother of all bubbles and when it burst, it's gonna be EPIC.

And the German parliament voted for the EFSF? Well then, they choose the heads-on-pike solution. Their choice.

More bad data from Japan :

* Japanese Retail Trade SA (Aug) M/M -1.7% vs. Exp. 0.2% (Prev. -0.3%)
* Japanese Retail Trade (Aug) Y/Y -2.6% vs. Exp. -0.8% (Prev. 0.7%, Rev. 0.6%) (RTRS)

And Ben is opening the door for some more traditional QE. (and considering copper is falling off a cliff, wouldn't surprise me if he starts SOON)

WTI and Brent crude traded higher during the European session with weakening in the USD-Index after Fed’s Bernanke said the central bank might need to ease monetary policy further if inflation or inflation expectations fall significantly.

Got gold/silver/oil? When Ben starts the printing press once again, it'll be to the moon.

One thing everyone is forgetting that if Bravaria would've went against this that they would've been the next "victim" on TPTB Nation Hitlist.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by flice

 

Yeah that isn't much different than what ENRON did... You think China is a bubble? You think America is a bubble? Europe is about to create the mother of all bubbles and when it burst, it's gonna be EPIC.

Here's hoping best case each bubble pops independent to the rest and is spaced far enough apart not to negatively shock the system. Take out all 3 in less then a year and guess what, TOTAL AND COMPLETE GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN!

Originally posted by surrealist
Yeah GDP is really still crap when you look at it against inflation. Good point^.

Isn't GDP adjusted for inflation?

ross domestic product in the United States represents the total aggregate output of the U.S. economy. It is important to keep in mind that the GDP figures as reported to investors are already adjusted for inflation. In other words, if the gross GDP was calculated to be 6% higher than the previous year, but inflation measured 2% over the same period, GDP growth would be reported as 4%, or the net growth over the period.

www.investopedia.com...'___'CTRO

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by flice

 

Yeah that isn't much different than what ENRON did... You think China is a bubble? You think America is a bubble? Europe is about to create the mother of all bubbles and when it burst, it's gonna be EPIC.

Here's hoping best case each bubble pops independent to the rest and is spaced far enough apart not to negatively shock the system. Take out all 3 in less then a year and guess what, TOTAL AND COMPLETE GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN!

Smiliar to 2008, if AIG would have fallen, the whole system would have collapsed. The problem with 2008, is since we put a band-aid on a very large wound, the chance of global meltdown is once again staring us in the face.

DOWN WITH THESE RATS!

Down with this system.

Let's reset this thing already and have

GLOBAL DEBT FORGIVENESS.

Bringz itz onz!!!

Originally posted by mossme89

Originally posted by surrealist
Yeah GDP is really still crap when you look at it against inflation. Good point^.

Isn't GDP adjusted for inflation?

ross domestic product in the United States represents the total aggregate output of the U.S. economy. It is important to keep in mind that the GDP figures as reported to investors are already adjusted for inflation. In other words, if the gross GDP was calculated to be 6% higher than the previous year, but inflation measured 2% over the same period, GDP growth would be reported as 4%, or the net growth over the period.

www.investopedia.com...'___'CTRO

Yes, but the government's figures for inflation are totally bogus.

www.shadowstats.com...

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Problem in 08 that they spaced the mortgagegate mess Q4 06 - Lehman collapse Q2 08 and the drop Q3 08 too far apart.as that is what allowed the system to absorb the mess the mortgages and Lehman caused.

If all 3 would've hit in under 6mos start to finish then we would still be tracking in negative territory.

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Good luck wi' 'dat: dream on(i.e. "debt forgiveness")

Doesn't it seem strange, that when your banker will still give you credit when you already honestly tell them that you cannot afford to pay for any more loans, not even the first loan?

It's happening in Greece right now. The greeks are NOT asking for more loans. The rich had already emigrated. All that's left are the ones whom will have to slave in bondage to MORE debts. When a country becomes a slave nation, or forced to be one, there will be no more developement in any form, let alone democracy. Slaves have no rights.

Germany parliament-the lower house, are puppets of TPTB, may had been forced to vote to increase the ceilings. But 2 things spring to mind.

1.) Where will the money come from, and are those owners of such funds prepared to suffer even higher losses when even spain, italy and greece collapses outright? Or do TPTB intends to rob it off the casino stock market as fools jump in to gamble stocks to push it higher then followed by a bear pawing on all gains by TPTB?


2.) The ECB may force greek to accept the loans, get its auditors to implement harsh austerity measures the way the Nazi command, SS and gestapo had done to Europe in the past, but the CRITICAL issues is - will our fellow human brothers and sisters in spain, italy and greece roll over, play dead or wag their tail in compliance, or are we non-europeans to witness a bloodbath that will make the UK riots look like a kindergarten brawl in the next few weeks?

At this point, the insignificant nobody me can only suggest the rest of humanity huddle down, do all we can to protect our own loved ones and nation, and pray for innocent enslaved Europeans. The horrors have begun......

At least now the masks are off, and for all the world to see what the European UNION is truly all about - Enslavement of the european human group.

It had never been about the development, uplifting and elevation of europeans. It is all about enslaving the masses through debt bondage while the rich gets richer, and bankers whom had caused all the mess are not even given a rap on their knuckles, but fully free to continue on with their deprediations.....

This is EU. May future innocent generations of europeans born into slavery forgive us this generation all...

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Make no mistake, they get their way there and it will only be a matter of time before it comes here.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
This ain't looking good.

Today there are :
- the German vote on the European bailouts.
- US GDP numbers
- Italy selling $9 billion in bonds.
- Jobless claims
- Fed Balance

But remember, the stock markets are leading indicators. They're anticipating activity weeks/ months from now, not today. Today's news was already priced in weeks ago, it won't have much affect on the markets unless it's substantially different than what the projections were.

Regardless of the details, the SYSTEM DOESNT WORK for the PEOPLE who DO the WORK!
When do we get a break from paying for limosines and private jets etc.?
The Elite are running us into the grave with their experiments and their demands for luxury.
Its time to put a cap on the net worth of individuals who really have too much money in a system that is based upon it.
Its only natural that those with the most will rig the system to keep themselves in style no matter how the lower mensch (us) suffer bleed and die for their EGOS!.
far too many human lives have already been wasted and destroyed by the snares and traps of wars,debt, drugs, and illnesses, that keep the wealthy rolling in dough while we struggle from paycheck to paycheck.
Common sense tells us all this wont work, so what makes these masters so positive it will?
-The sure knowledge that whatever happens they will continue to enrich themselves at humanitys expense.-

the stock market is going crazy because the inflation is starting to hit and the fed can't do anything about it so they are basically screwed. Watch out for Qe4.

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by mossme89

Originally posted by surrealist
Yeah GDP is really still crap when you look at it against inflation. Good point^.

Isn't GDP adjusted for inflation?

ross domestic product in the United States represents the total aggregate output of the U.S. economy. It is important to keep in mind that the GDP figures as reported to investors are already adjusted for inflation. In other words, if the gross GDP was calculated to be 6% higher than the previous year, but inflation measured 2% over the same period, GDP growth would be reported as 4%, or the net growth over the period.

www.investopedia.com...'___'CTRO

Yes, but the government's figures for inflation are totally bogus.

www.shadowstats.com...

Yes! And just like jobless claims and unemployment, they usually come out later and revise them/GDP lower. Government statistics about economic data should be printed on toilet paper.