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Duality. The Result of Spiritual War? Is Unity A Deception?

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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Duality is in everything. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Was the creation of the universe, born from spirit's equal and opposite reaction the creation of a dark spirit?

In the universe, this dark spirit is as present as the holy spirit, even in us.

Is unity a trick of the dark?

I have come to unity, and I fear it.

We are all supposed to be one, but this means we have to be evil as well, and there can be no evil in the light of God, so are we supposed to become unified thus accepting duality, or are we supposed to strive for love and neglect negativity?
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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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So simple.

It is all about the lesson of the soul. The teacher has to teach this way. It is how we learn, each time you take the more difficult path you learn more about the self.
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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
supposed to strive for love and neglect negativity?
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The darkness is another factor of balance. ALL dont possess it equally. Its like NATAS job is to FORCE energies/ SOULS to seek the LIGHT in turn what is NATAS? UNITY is the connection collective energies from ALL energies/souls who managed to PASS NATAS test on their energies/souls. THE HUMBLE duality those who still need to learn to LOVE.


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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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I have found in spiritual warfare which is so real by the way that yes we are made of evil,but once anointed with the Holy spirit we become one with God,Fighting the principalities of darkness is no walk in the park. Its ver real and you have to have Jesus to get threw. Without Jesus you will not win.I forgot the rest of your question...LOL



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
Duality is in everything. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Was the creation of the universe, born from spirit's equal and opposite reaction the creation of a dark spirit?

In the universe, this dark spirit is as present as the holy spirit, even in us.

Is unity a trick of the dark?

I have come to unity, and I fear it.

We are all supposed to be one, but this means we have to be evil as well, and there can be no evil in the light of God, so are we supposed to become unified thus accepting duality, or are we supposed to strive for love and neglect negativity?
edit on 28-9-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)


We strive for love not negativity...we fight the negative with love..we are not to have anything to do with evil once the holy spirit has anointed you because we are one with God.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by SeleneLux
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So simple.

It is all about the lesson of the soul. The teacher has to teach this way. It is how we learn, each time you take the more difficult path you learn more about the self.
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Oh you are so correct on what you just said and let me tell ya its not easy what so ever.Im going threw that now and man oh man its hard as all get out..Real spirits beat you down just for praying and stop you for doing what your suppose to do with God..You have to run on pure faith and Love to get threw..
extra DIV



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Astar316
Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!


But there IS hate and love.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Astar316
Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!


But if one does evil how is it not wrong..That is where your personnel beliefs come..If your a christian or not..All have a different opinion on this kind of topic..Being in spiritual warfare being a christian i can just say that you really have to believe and have god and Jesus..Being out of Love is not wrong what so ever.know it well. but its how the situation is handled is how you know if its good or evil.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Because we are born into a world of evil and the love is from the holly spirit that god put in our hearts and our planet..Its written that when the holy spirit leaves this earth the gates of hell are going to show themselves.There wont be much love on the planet then. Unless we have it in our hearts already.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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We are all supposed to be one, but this means we have to be evil as well, and there can be no evil in the light of God, so are we supposed to become unified thus accepting duality, or are we supposed to strive for love and neglect negativity?


Striving for love is negative in and of itself. We have to realize that being born here we "take on/in" a lot of negativity and darkness through childhood indoctrination and in general through being part of the whole polluted "soup" of mass consciousness on this planet.

So, the idea is to allow these negative beliefs/assumptions to come to the surface of your consciousness, learn the lesson they carry, forgive, and allow them to drop away. Everytime you get rid of something you are one step closer to love, and you are also a little wiser because things will not drop away before you have truly forgiven, and you cannot truly forgive without understanding first.

That's the real spiritual journey in my experience. You say "then we have to be evil as well"... We already ARE part evil being born here and growing up here. There is no denying that. But as you process out the negativity and become wise to it, you get less and less evil and more and more good.

Most evil deeds happen when people are not conscious of what they are doing or saying. "Something" takes them over and acts through them and it might hurt another person tremendously without the one "doing" evil even realizing it at all. All the hidden dark compartments of negativity in our unconscious mind have a "life of their own" so to speak. But when you integrate, accept, and forgive the hidden dark negativity they lose their power over you.

A person who is always present - always conscious - cannot do evil (unless he/she actually chooses it). That's why Eckhart Tolle talks about being in "the Now" and the power of now etc. And to be in the now you will have to get rid of everything keeping you out of the now. Everything of the past must be processed out and forgiven, lesson learned, and it drops away. Nobody can force themselves into the now, into being present. It's effortless when all is forgiven.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Astar316
Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!


I see. So, from a reasonable point of view, the woman who kidnapped two children and tortured them-- that was neither good nor evil? And so we need do nothing?

You are as dangerous as that woman-- dangerous by your complacency and lack of empathy. You are also a dime a dozen.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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beyond good and evil

there is a field

I'll meet you there. - Rumi



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Good and evil are one and the same. water does not cease being water cause its hot, nor does it stop being water if its cold.

Same with good and evil. they are the same thing just packaged differently. We strive every morning to be better (perfect) than we were yesterday.but in order to attain perfection it simply implies that said creature would have to start out in a environment that is less than perfect.

This is the start of potential evil. Thus we have imperfection (evil) in the world.

Remember evil is just a word someone made up long ago to describe a feeling. all language is just describing a emotion or feeling.

Or better said: From the urantia book: Per Jesus


My brother, good and evil are merely words symbolizing relative levels of human comprehension of the observable universe. If you are ethically lazy and socially indifferent, you can take as your standard of good the current social usages. If you are spiritually indolent and morally unprogressive, you may take as your standards of good the religious practices and traditions of your contemporaries. But the soul that survives time and emerges into eternity must make a living and personal choice between good and evil as they are determined by the true values of the spiritual standards established by the divine spirit which the Father in heaven has sent to dwell within the heart of man. This indwelling spirit is the standard of personality survival.



ANY THOUGHTS
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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by Astar316
Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!


I see. So, from a reasonable point of view, the woman who kidnapped two children and tortured them-- that was neither good nor evil? And so we need do nothing?

You are as dangerous as that woman-- dangerous by your complacency and lack of empathy. You are also a dime a dozen.

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Im not implying that kidnapping is wrong nor torture or murder for example. it all comes down to perspective.
So yes neither is right or wrong it simply is.

per the urantia book


The possibility of evil is necessary to moral choosing, but not the actuality thereof. A shadow is only relatively real. Actual evil is not necessary as a personal experience. Potential evil acts equally well as a decision stimulus in the realms of moral progress on the lower levels of spiritual development. Evil becomes a reality of personal experience only when a moral mind makes evil its choice.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Astar316
Duality is the deception! There is no good or evil! There is no wrong and no right, it's all depending on your perspective!
If your girlfriend screws you, it'll hurt you and you may think it is all wrong, but in the end, maybe she loves the other guy and if one decides out of love, how could it be wrong?!


But there IS hate and love.



I thought you were a strong proponent of that Love was all that existed?



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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It's not about fighting the darkness. There is no fight unless you make one. There is only one. You'd be fighting yourself. The Sun does not fight the moon. They work together.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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The sun doesn't fight the moon that is so correct,just imagine what would happen if it did..Oh yes we have to fight the principality of darkness, that is why the world is so bad..its the evil in us because we were born into evil..fight evil with good.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by seagrass
It's not about fighting the darkness. There is no fight unless you make one. There is only one. You'd be fighting yourself. The Sun does not fight the moon. They work together.


If you do not fight the darkness you will be sinful which in turn is darkness



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by eeks4

Originally posted by seagrass
It's not about fighting the darkness. There is no fight unless you make one. There is only one. You'd be fighting yourself. The Sun does not fight the moon. They work together.


If you do not fight the darkness you will be sinful which in turn is darkness


On one hand you don't want to repress your inner evil. On the other you don't want to surrender to it.



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