Obama will win. As predicted. And guess who's tho blame...

Originally posted by beezzer
I feel that a Cain/Paul ticket is our only hope. Cain is a strong leader with a sound plan. Paul has some great ideas (I'm not sold on his foreign policy) but his biggest deficit is that he is *gasp* old.

For obvious strategic reasons, Ron Paul would be the best choice for any candidate for VP. You can pretty much be guaranteed that Paul would rather off himself than be forced to be VP for Romney or Perry because those two are known corporate shill candidates, and he hates them as much as everyone else does (except for the media and their zombie drone followers).

The question is why would Ron Paul want to be VP, and would anyone really want him as VP? He'd be "dangerous" as VP because he could threaten to resign if the guy in the captains chair does something particularly disgusting, which is guaranteed to happen with Mitt Romneycare Romney or some other corporate pick. So, why would Paul be willing to work for Cain?

I think Cain will replace Perry as first choice for the simple reason that he's black and Republicans want to field someone who can best compete with Obama. About 8% of people are racists (both black and white people). Racist black people will have the option of voting for Cain, giving him at least a 2% edge over a white candidate who would face lost votes due to racism. But on the other side of the token, racist white people won't be give any edge to the Democrats because it wouldn't change the fact they'd be voting for someone who is black. So the fact that Herman Cain is black makes him more electable by default all other things being equal, sadly.

Very little is actually known about Herman Cain. Its ridiculous how people look at his basic profile and are just so excited about it. Well... maybe we should look at his negatives too before getting excited about him. For starters, its well known he got paychecks from the Federal Reserve system. We know he voted for the banker bailouts (which isn't a disadvantage since others did too, but its a lost opportunity).

PS - I'm very excited to see what happens with Ron Paul's money bomb on October 19th - its expected to his campaign's biggest money bomb.

Cain will NEVER get the nomination, though I wouldn't be surprised if the candidate chose him as a VP... or at least approached him about it...

ONE of the GOP's biggest problems is that it's leadership believes that it is a party of rich white Christians fooling poor white Christians into voting against their own self-interest.

In other words the GOP leadership would NEVER go with a black candidate because they believe their own supporters would, to a meaningful extent, reject that person, based on race.

This makes no sense.

Romney beats or comes close to Obama nationally and with independents.

Romney is up by 7 over Obama in Florida.

Romney is the only one that will challenge Obama in PA, MI and other swing states.

Obama/Biden can't beat Romney/Rubio.

The far right wants an idealogue but the Country just wants a President who can turn things around. We just got through with 2 idealogues with Bush and Obama and they don't want an idealogue. They will not elect a right winger like Perry whose really not a Conservative. He's worse than Obama on illegal immigration.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Facts are not racist. They are just facts.

The fact is, some people will vote for Obama because they are the same race as him, some people will vote for him because they feel guilt for not being the same race as him.

Call it racist all you want, but if the Republicans ignore those facts, they do so at their own peril. This thread is about Obama likely winning the election again. Many, many Republicans think that is impossible, and they are very wrong. He is likely to win again.

Obama will win again if the Republicans put up a mainstream polished politician against him. Obama has the advantages of being an incumbent. Being black. Being idolized with irrational hero worship. He is an excellent orator. He is an excellent fundraiser. He will win a large percentage of the votes and race plays into it.

I did say "even white" people vote for Obama. Some people ignore that fact and it needs to be pointed out. Some of the white people vote for his policies....fine. Some of the white people are afraid not to vote for him, because they will be called racist. Some white people vote for him out of guilt, and they want to see a black man succeed to put all this crap behind us. In my opinion, the only legitimate reason to vote for Obama would be if you believed in his policies, but I'm not so naive to ignore the other reasons that come into play, and it is not racist to look at the whole picture.

If the Republicans want to win, they have to campaign against not only Obama, but also against politics in general, and against the race card, and with a huge war chest of campaign funds that will rival Obama's. Perry and Romney and Santorum are too plasticky and entrenched in the game to accomplish a defeat of Obama.

Paul or Cain or Palin have a chance to actually win.

On the other hand, do the Republicans really want to win? Nobody is likely to turn this Titanic economic problem around in 4 years. So, maybe the Republicans put up a stuffed suit, let Obama win, then continue to blame him for the ailments, and then take a landslide in 2012? That is another legitimate strategy, and again, it isn't racist, it is just fact and strategy.

reply to post by Matrix Rising

Obama/Biden can't beat Romney/Rubio.

Apparently Rubio is ineligible?

His parents were not citizens at the time of his birth. When asked directly, he believes he is eligible, but at this time it appears he is not? I support Rubio, and I thought he would be a front-runner this election, but apparently he is not eligible, and if he is ineligible, then so is OBAMA!!!

If Rubio gets any consideration, then it will put the spotlight on Obama's eligibility. Sticky political situation.

Originally posted by beezzer
Cain is a strong leader with a sound plan.

Cain is a corporate stooge who is loyal to the bankers. It's hilarious to read someone who bitches about Obama turn right around and throw his support behind ANOTHER lap dog of the elite


and to the poster that called ATS "stormfront with flying saucers". Some of the crap that you read on here, you have to sometimes check to see if this is a conspiracy website or a gathering place for grand wizards and grand dragons.

Why would anyone want to be elected President of the U.S.A. in 2012?

It's like being given command of a sinking ship, while the former commander and everyone else abandons ship.

Those who are in the race, would be wise to find a way out.... Consider a future bid for office, when or if things have greatly improved... Or at the end of Obama's second term, at least then everything really can be blamed on him.

Let Obama have it!

Does it really matter now?

reply to post by beezzer


During the Suffrage movement, there was a black lady, over 7 feet tall, who showed up at meetings, and who would emerge to say very interesting and sometimes profound things. They called her "Sojourner Truth".

She stood up at one such meeting and said: "Religion, without humanity, is very poor stuff".

I think the same can be said for government.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Stormfront with flying saucers, lol. That was good, in the last few years ATS has swung fairly hard to the right. As you said earlier, most of it is anti-establishment feeling. If a Republican was in it would swing to the left. And the racists are out like cockroaches here. Admin doesn't do much though so it stands. Personally, I think as long as it gets them traffic they don't care.

As for Obama, I tend to agree with the OP. It's not because I like Obama, i deal in reality. Paul will never win, that is just a fantasy most of you keep alive to feel better. Cain is a joke, he is not a part of the big boy bohemian grove club of owl worshipers so he's not getting in. Rick Perry doesn't have the street cred either. I think it will be Romeny and it will be a tight race. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. They don't run this world anyway.

Actually I think Ron Paul COULD beat Obama decidedly.

But, as the OP said, the GOP won't get behind Paul. He's too Old School. The Republican party no longer stands for it's Conservative roots. Which is why America is going bankrupt. In today's "Global Economy" war is a GDP and the Liberals and Conservative have no problem shipping it overseas.

It makes companies like Northrop Gruman and Boeing (along with investors [anyone want to bet most politicians have heavy investments in these companies?]) rich while passing along the debt from the wars to the public.

It's sad, but I'll probably end up voting for the lesser of two evils AGAIN. I will not vote from some hack GOP candidate that claims to be a "real conservative" because it seems cool all of a sudden ... even if his name is Herman Cain.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

NO president has been reelected when unemployment is 9.0% plus

That is a fact. Deal with it.

There is talk of Obama just stepping aside in January and letting Hillary Clinton go up
against Sarah Palin. Hillary will lose but at least it will look better in the history books.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Hillary won't go for that! She is much to savvy to take on a losing proposition, or be used as a patsy. Hillary will wait for 2016. Either she will ride Obama's momentum as things start to turn around, or she will be able to put a bunch of blame on Republicans and ride as the anti-Rep candidate.

Hillary wants nothing to do with 2012. She is way to smart for that.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


You're absolutely right on all of those points. Of course, it still won't keep me from voting for who I believe will do the best job. It may not be realistic, but making my voice heard.

4 more years of Obama, there goes our credit rating again....

reply to post by getreadyalready


She will be too old in 2016. It's now or never.
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It's getting really bad for Obama. David Axelrod said it will be a Titanic struggle to get
Obama re-elected.
He chose the correct ship - Titanic -
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Playing class warfare is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Obama ship is still going down.

reply to post by jazzguy


" have some faith in ron paul"

Can't do it unless he disavows himself from the GOP.. then promises a cabinet minus CFR/tri-lateral/elitist rejects, abolishing the patriot act, crumbling the cia into dust, and international war crimes investigations in Nuremberg.

I dont see how anyone who doesn't want a blood stained conscious can endorse either failed party.. they combine to kill more people than terrorists, and since the Nam.. have cause human suffering on par with the German national socialists.

Besides.. voting 2 party to solve this nations problems has failed each & every time.

I kinda like the idea of just letting oblahblah keep his lofty title, I cant think of a better more smug candidate to be known throughout history as the captain who sunk the USSA Titanic. .... we all know an establishment clown servile to the elite will be appointed anyway, might as well be him.

...uh, and no.. I don't care. Put a fork in this nation: it's done. Been awake for neigh 30 years watching things get nothing but worse.. when I was a kid, a full breakfast was .99 (1979).. $2.00 if you wanted to splurge... there was no TSA, torture was a war crime, no gestapo papers please roadblocks, SWAT call outs were rare and newsworthy.. the aggressive war for profit police state I find myself in disgusts me.. even worse are all the 1930s Germans dunk on yester-years N/A "good ole USA" rhetoric.

I wont be sad to watch it wither on the vine.

reply to post by Gazrok


uhhhh... pretty sure the REASON for the bailouts had nothing to do with Obama.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
And whose to blame? The GOP of course. They allowed their ranks to be swamped with ideologues and now their party is completely divided.

If the Republican voters are smart enough, they would intentionally let Obama win. Once Obama finishes his next four years, he will never-ever be able to run for president again. 2016 will be a window of opportunity. Republicans should take the next four years to rejuvenate and reorganize. When Obamacare goes into full affect, I would not want to be the president. Republicans should take a quiet step back, so the Democrats can do as much damage as possible. When everyone starts screaming bloody murder, the rejuvenated Republicans can take advantage of a weakened Democrat base.

Deval Patrick (D) of Massachusetts will be the Democrat nominee in 2016, and he was the one who originally created the platform Obama used to win in 2008. Patrick = Obama II. If the Democrat party destroys America as planned, Deval will never-ever be able to become president.

Sometimes winning is not always rewarding.

Now's your chance to contribute to Dr. Pauls campaign....he is going to need a lot of grassroot money as he is going up against the likes of Monsanto, Big Oil, and Big Pharma that will but an obscene amount of $$$ into Dems/GOP to maintain the status quo.

secure.ronpaul2012.com...

I don't think RP has a chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination. 3rd party time.............

TPM might be RPs only chance.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I hope your right. Hillary would be a very easy candidate to beat.

Would be nice to see Herman Cain in the Oval Office with Palin as VP.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I hope your right. Hillary would be a very easy candidate to beat.

Obama spending $1 billion on class warfare would be depressing for - everyone -.

The American people want solutions not excuses.

Hillary will admit the whole Obama transformation thing didn't work out very well.

(Thanks for telling us what we already know.)

Here is my alternative. I had to come up with something. Don't blame me.
My husband thought it up for me.

Vote for me if you want to. It would be nice to retire in November 2012.

I'm really getting too old for all of this. Good luck. Bye.