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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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In this World their is but one true crime and one true sin
That crime is-----Being Alive and Living by ones own will in Life (=) the only true Criminal Offense

This crime is Punishable by Death

[The living dead (zombies) or "robots" are not guilty of this most major of criminal activates due to self delusional insanity] Since Individual lacking or without soul; mute in mind and will-less or subservient to perceived higher power -- A body without soul never truly lives. (Being Alive) is defined as- having life; living; existing; not Being dead or lifeless, but in a state of action; in force or operation of will. Like "thy will be done"[ thy of or relating to thee or thyself] not they or their since you possess your will but also your will can be possessed for the good, the bad or the ugly(meaningless) ,

P.S. --- a crime is only a crime when you get caught

But if you do the same crime long-enough you will eventually get caught up cause the house always wins and the
Grim Reaper (only believes in capital punishment) taking what everyone in this world possess -- their life.
Which really just borrowed or stolen your choice.
what Death can never take the soul/Ātman being a piece of The All/Brahman/The Force/Cause /Singularity/Immortal soul All is one;One is all and all Every person is born a blank sheet with the opportunity to have or develop a soul

As for Religion, God, Satan and Sin
Books like The Prince, Art of War, Corpus Hermeticum Torah, Bible, Quran, Ramayana and Mahabharata Etc. have something to teach us all one has to do is look below the surfaces but not go off the deep-end in search of answers losing sight of the surface
The devils greatest trick is blinding making people to not believe in neither at all; plus foolish believers that God is a supreme omnipotent being them that by giving their will to it can they be saved from themselves- suckers
Think about this one
"Can a deity create a rock so heavy that even the deity itself cannot lift it? If so, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting the deity's power. But if not, then the deity is still not omnipotent because it cannot create that rock."

Judaism God-Saturn( father of time holy day Saturday) Islam God-Allah (The one and only God holy day Friday)
The Roman Christianity God-Jesus Christ (The Son of God holy day Sunday) Chumps think they all believe in the same God

Gnostic text says-"Their great one is blind;because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said with his power "It is I who am god; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the Entirety. And this speech reached up to Incorruptibility. And behold, a voice came forth from Incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael"--which is, "god of the blind."
“In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.” Even if they are truly blind as well those that listen give them control of sight.

Jesus Christ is most likely based on Julius Caesar, both began their careers in northern countries: Caesar in Gaul, Jesus in Galilee; both cross a fatal river: the Rubicon and the Jordan; both then enter cities: Corfinium and Cafarnaum;
Pompey is the political godfather of Caesar and competes with him in the same way John the Baptist does with Jesus.
Antony and Lepidus became Caesar’s successors, the first as flamen, high priest of the Divus Julius cult, the second as pontifex maximus, just as Simon and Peter do with Jesus (they both melt into one figure – Simon Peter).
Decimus Junius Brutus betrays Caesar as Judas betrays Jesus.
The other Brutus is Caesar’s murderer and Barabbas is a murderer.
Octavian is the young Caesar, his posthumously adopted son. John is adopted by Jesus
www.carotta.de...

Those who have Mastered the knowledge of Truth use this understanding for the good of all things and benefit everyone non above or below anything else, preserving the knowledge of truth (Guardian of Truth) [jedi]
Or those that Master the truth only to bend it to their will using it for reasons of their own self-interests (manipulators of truth)[Sith],
"A rose by any other name...Would never ever smell the same,
And clever is the nose that knows, An onion that's been called a rose"

Those not seeking answers and seek the truth will suffer until they learn the knowledge of truth and finding peace from or find the veil (matrix) where they shown the truth forcing one to (understand the knowledge of wisdom that one is all and all is one, non above or below, each two different and all one in the same) but costing some part of, if not all of their-self in-return. one cannot be told or tell someone the truth it can only be learned from another or seen within/out but men and women have lost their minds after seeing the truth

Message from THE BAY AREA to the condescending Haters


Hella Stupid doo doo dumb (OP)
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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"Can a deity create a rock so heavy that even the deity itself cannot lift it? If so, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting the deity's power. But if not, then the deity is still not omnipotent because it cannot create that rock."

That rock would be God because he is in everything anyway, on the outside he might not lift it but on the inside he could make it float so he wins either way.
Lucifer was that example of perfection and failed through his own wisdom, his nearest rival is not even God its the Angel Michael so it would never happen.

The same thing is symbolised through Christ he came into earth and lifted man from sin through faith otherwise its a fail if he did not, sin would win and the universe probably ends.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

He answered that already in his own way, my theory is right.
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Ex nihilo nihil fit "Nothing comes from nothing"

“Nevertheless, the argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which we should proceed.With a view to concealment we will establish secret brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived, neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose them to have no care of human things --why in either case should we mind about concealment? And even if there are gods, and they do care about us, yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the poets; and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced and turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.’ Let us be consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak truly, why then we had better be unjust, and offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying and sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished.” -Plato, The Republic, Book II

All history is hidden
History is the most important subject in any society it establishes authority and mindset for the rest of persons life, by shaping the way a human being interpret and understand a societies structure; they’re position within it plus the position of groups and sub-groups as well as the reinforcing bias towards other individuals or groups/sub-groups, both outside and inside the social network making up they’re world.

History is always best comprehended from present to past with every historical event having a cause to its effect and effect to its cause.

When you start school, the story of history starts at the beginning, like any piece fiction of literature does, the impressionable young minds are told about ideas and theories of what may have happened long long ago despite being far removed from the present world because the closer to the present one is the more in-depth and credible the facts become making the ability to comprehend and question the story being told easier and the ability to shadow the true harder.
In school this is effectively is makes history just background noise since the information they are basically being told is the most boring and albeit (to a child's mind at least) irrelevant story to them except for the fact they have to pass a test on the subject like the Renaissance which to a both the kid whose being Punked at lunch and the one Punking him have in common is that they don't care about what happened 500 year ago compared to what they will do when the lunch bell rings

In public K-12 education you are trained to write about you're point by finding all the facts that support it and ignoring those that don't.This effectively limits how most choose to perceive reality not just in the classroom, but also on social structure in peer groupings structure and sub-structure, which over those 13 year shape who people become how they adapt and change,

"This world a hollow pageant you should deem;
All wise men know things are not what they seem;
Be of good cheer, and drink, and so shake off
This vain illusion of a baseless dream"
Omar Khayyam

Everyone interprets the world as they see best to them their limiting understanding or elaborating on the way one breaks down knowledge which being so much to take in and process people look for short cuts and quick answers focusing on their problems and trusting those that reenforce the answer they see the truth through

He who has knowledge of the truth is a free man, but the free man does not sin, for "He who sins is the slave of sin" John 8:34 I know sin is not sin

"the region revealed through sight"—the ordinary objects we see around us—"to the prison home, and the light of the fire in it to the power of the Sun. And in applying the going up and the seeing of what's above to the soul's journey to the intelligible place, you not mistake my expectation, since you desire to hear it. A god doubtless knows if it happens to be true. At all events, this is the way the phenomena look to me: in the region of the knowable the last thing to be seen, and that with considerable effort, is the idea of good; but once seen, it must be concluded that this is indeed the cause for all things of all that is right and beautiful—in the visible realm it gives birth to light and its sovereign; in the intelligible realm, itself sovereign, it provided truth and intelligence—and that the man who is going to act prudently in private or in public must see it"



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Hello,

My name is lucifer and I eat hateful people, why? The hateful juices add a spicy kick. I don't eat peaceful people though, they taste too sweet. My hellhound Rufus especially loves people who spread hate and discrimination, they must taste like chicken.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

...One message from Heaven that would be a good one to put to memory. A synopsis of coming events after the Great Warning during the short reign of the anti-Christ. You may not imagine your loss of electronics, they have to go. You cannot look at the image of the anti-Christ. In the Great Warning, God's help, everyone will be made aware.

Message to John Leary


Monday, August 29, 2011: (The Martyrdom of St. John the Baptist)


Jesus said: “My people, I have warned My faithful in many messages that you will be persecuted for My Name’s sake in the coming tribulation of the Antichrist. You will be sought out to be killed by the evil ones working for Satan and the Antichrist. (Rev. 14:15) And it was permitted to give life to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause that whoever should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.’ Because these evil ones will be seeking to kill you, I have asked some of you to set up refuges of protection where My angels will place shields of invisibility over all of My refuges. Those people, who do not leave their homes for My refuges, will have the men in black try to force them to take the chip in the body and worship the beast. If they refuse, they will face martyrdom either by guillotine or in the gas chambers. Those, who doubt that guillotines will be used, can read the Book of Revelation (20:4): ‘And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the witness to Jesus and because of the Word of God, and who did not worship the beast or his image, and did not accept his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands.’ Truly you have had people even witness guillotines being brought into your country at your many detention center death camps. Those, who want to avoid this martyrdom, can call on Me and I will have your guardian angels lead you to the nearest refuge.”

A month later, Our Lord speaks about the signs to know when it is time to go to the refuges.


Thursday, September 29, 2011: (St.Michael,St.Gabriel,St.Raphael)

Jesus said: “My people, I have given several messages to warn you when it will be time to come to My refuges. First, you will have My Warning experience which will bring many souls back to Confession and prepare the people for the coming tribulation. After about six weeks of conversion, you will see a world famine, a division in My Church, martial law, and mandatory chips in the body. Once you see these things or even sooner, I will warn you that it is time to leave for My refuges. Then you will call on Me, and I will have your guardian angel lead you with a physical flame to My nearest refuge. Once you leave your homes, My angels will place a shield of invisibility around you to protect you from the evil ones.”

www.johnleary.com...


I posted these two messages for a reason, please remember them.

Yesterday afternoon, it was pretty warm here but I decided to go out and rake leaves. We have nine or ten older trees in the yard. Our son mulched the leaves with the mower first and I raked up what was left BUT there is an area you can't mulch. All these acorns or nuts and their covers fall from the tree, you can't go over them with a mower. I spent several hours raking them up, they were so thick, it was a layer covering the ground. I didn't finish until dark.

I was dusty, thirsty and sweaty when I went inside. The thought came to me in that state, "this is how souls feel constantly, in Hell but much worse, much much worse."

What if people still reject God after the Great Warning? And why do they not turn to Him now? Many do not believe, the loss of faith, Our Lord and His mother have said, the times now are more sinful than at the time of the Great Flood.

Talk to God (pray) AND repent from the heart and confess your sins. Pray every day and make a regular confession of your mortal sins. Please. It's not my personal advise but Heaven's direction. Over and over it is repeated. And please don't come back with the hateful God rebuttal. We choose where we go.

I posted on a Garabandal thread but no one commented after so I'll share it here.
In the messages to the seer who hears mainly about the soon Great Warning....
Jesus stated on October 3rd, 2011 the most beautiful words, three sentences. This
is who God is...truly. His love for everyone of us is greater than any person's love here.

Our Lord is speaking about His coming at the Great Warning.

www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...

10/3/11
Excerpt from the message: I will never desert you children. That is why I am coming.

"This is My return to save you once again. Didn’t you know that I was always going to be merciful? That I would never wait until the Final Judgement until I tried once more to save you all?"



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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You have an interesting way of writing, but not sure what you are getting at.

Maybe the issue at hand is Sin and Knowledge and what man does with it, we are free to do what we want, but you if you were the only person on earth you can do what you like to it, problem is a little man can not build cities on his own he would be alone. Bring on a populance and that man can not rule the world as he could have done by him self so he has to earn that right, his own rules and justice might not suit everyone anyway. Not even Kings rule by doing what they like for free, because there is always a price to pay and eventually death consumes them anyway for the next in line.

As for god's Angels send their energies and distribute it in various outlets, the light they emit effects the earth, their singing holds the cosmos together like vibrational energy, they can guide people but not tell them what to do.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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OP - I think you and Shirley Phelps would get along GREAT!~



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by The time lord
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You have an interesting way of writing, but not sure what you are getting at.


The time lord, hi,

I share messages from Heaven and their links hoping you'll read them and believe them
The prophetic is true. Who would know better than God about the times now and He is
the only one to know the future?

Follow God, believe Him, there is one plan. People gotta recognize this is the end of a period of time, the 6th Day. The Millennium is the 7th Day and it's not far off. I'll post another message to a seer from Latin America, it reads like a translation.

The two sentences underlined should make clear to anyone, the Roman Catholic Church is not Babylon but the true faith. The anti-Christ wishes to destroy the Holy Eucharist. People are so stubborn and partly their upbringing, they can't see the Truth, it's going to take God Himself to tell them personally and He is going to in the Great Warning, before the anti-Christ takes power. Remember, no one knows every moment of your life, only God.


colbe


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MESSAGE FROM OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
TO HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER LIGHT OF MARY
SEPTEMBER 18, 2011



I COME FOR THE HUMBLE, FOR THE SIMPLE.

Beloved children:

LIVING UNITED WITH ME, IS A DIFFICULT TASK FOR YOU, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

I CALL YOU NOT ONLY TO CONTINUE, BUT TO ELEVATE YOUR BEING.

In this instant in which you move, it is essential that My People grow, feed themselves, nourish themselves from My Word in Scripture so that they know and recognize the sings of the times.

I AM LOVE, I ALERT YOU.

My People will not fight this battle only with the word from their mouth; they will fight with faith in Me, in a Church that must be purified, but never destroyed… NEVER!, because I am with and upon My Church.

My children must change spiritually, see beyond what they have before them, they must silence the voices that surround them and hear Me.

There will be great calamity throughout the world, so great as you have never before seen it. A great nuclear explosion will contaminate the waters and harm man. The hand of man has created its own destruction.

Fire will descend from on high, fire of the same sin. Physical fire and spiritual fire. It will make man look within himself even without wishing it. I AM AN INSTANT AWAY.

I come to conquer over evil.
I come for the false prophet and the antichrist. My Eucharistic Sacrament will be outlawed by the antichrist.

DO NOT FAILL, I AM WITH MY PEOPLE.

I COME TO RESTORE EVERYTHING CREATED IN MY WILL.

You do not think seriously about the calamities through which My People, My Church will pass. Some are so comfortable in the world, in their current living, that they set aside THE TRUTH. In this instant there are more weeds than wheat.

YOU SET ASIDE ALERTING MY PEOPLE,
AND THEY STEER THEMSELVES TOWARDS A GREAT CALAMITY.

The signs are stronger in every ambit, and humanity has not been alerted about it; a few maintain consciousness about what you live in this instant, because they recognize the signs, above all apostasy.

ALERT MY PEOPLE, ALERT! YOU LIVE IN MY LOVE.

DO NOT ALLOW MY crucifixion TO BE NULLIFIED, LEADING YOU TO A CHRISTIANITY WITHOUT A CROSS.

I am Love, I listen to the smallest of supplications, the smallest of prayers.

Come to Me, I do not brush you aside, just turn to Me, recognize Me, convert.

I AM YOUR GOD, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

Pray and make reparation, prayer is powerful, it is the Christian’s weapon,
intercede for one another.
Pray children, pray for Japan, it will weep, it will suffer.
Pray children, pray for the United States, it will suffer.
Pray for Chile, a great calamity looms over it.

Beloved, the sun hides, in its place its heat draws nearer to man, it will damage not only advancements that man has accomplished, but will remind him of his ancient customs to which he will return.

Children, do not scorn My Mercy, I remain here with you.

PRAY, TIME AND NONTIME.

I AM YOUR GOD, MY LOVE EXCEEDS ALL SIN, IF YOU RETURN TO ME REPENTANT.

I love you.

Your Jesus.


www.revelacionesmarianas.com...



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Posting a non-Catholic Christian message from Heaven. The "great awakening", Catholics
know it as the Great Warning.

October 9, 2011

As you release My word, always deliver it in love. As you speak as My voice, I will perform signs and wonders. I am raising up My voice in this hour to bring a great awakening As you open your mouth and speak, rivers of living water will flow from your innermost being. Do not allow these rivers to become stagnant. Do not allow them to dry up but go forth and trumpet My word in this earth. I desire to release
My glory in an unprecedented way in the days ahead says the Lord.
ELAINE TAVOLACCI



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Jesus said: “My people, you are SEEING MUCH SIN IN SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW YORK CITY.
These sexual sins are calling on My punishment for HOMOSEXUAL ACTS AND FORNICATION.
The vision shows My severe punishment of SAN FRANCISCO, when it will be SUBMERGED into the ocean from an EARTHQUAKE because of the homosexual sins.
There is also coming more punishment for NEW YORK CITY from storms and other means of destruction.
Recently, New York State has approved homosexual marriage.
THESE SINS ARE ALL ABOMINATIONS and these cities will NOT ESCAPE MY PUNISHMENT for their sins.
I AM WARNING MY FAITHFUL TO LEAVE THESE CITIES JUST AS I WARNED LOT TO LEAVE SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
This is because IN A SHORT TIME THESE CITIES WILL SUFFER MY WRATH.
I have put up with man’s sins for too long, but NOW THESE CITIES ARE CALLING DOWN MY JUSTICE.
Pray for the souls of the people of these cities because many may die suddenly without being ready to meet Me at their judgment.”
MY RESPONSE:
I have yet to understand how devout religious folks can speak so matter of factly about Jesus/God & cite the Bible as a source of factual information that no one should dare challenge. The fact that they then have the audacity to expect everyone to adhere to what they are saying without question, is really just...WOW! You see folks, I figure this: God's words were written down by man. Man edited it, interpreted & re-interpreted it---cut things out at their leisure, probably for their own corrupt reasons. So, if men are corrupt & full of sin, then by their hands, so is the Bible.

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by ProfessorJames M. Kauffman, Ed.D. It was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively & thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

(It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian)
edit on 10-10-2011 by PaladinEris because: Separate original post copy from my response.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Also, still waiting


Want to bet? Any amount up to $500k that what you claim won't happen within the next year, put your money where your mouth is so to speak. Given that according to you, god is sooooooo mad at gays, what is he waiting for? Me giving him an entire year should suffice to prove what complete nonsense your claims are





I AM LOVE, I ALERT YOU.


Given that according to you he's about to commit genocide, the whole "love" part seems a bit ridiculous, don't you think? That's like Hitler claiming he's love before shoving millions of Jews into the oven because of racism/bigotry.


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posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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PaladinEris said:

I have yet to understand how devout religious folks can speak so matter of factly about Jesus/God & cite the Bible as a source of factual information that no one should dare challenge. The fact that they then have the audacity to expect everyone to adhere to what they are saying without question, is really just...WOW! You see folks, I figure this: God's words were written down by man. Man edited it, interpreted & re-interpreted it---cut things out at their leisure, probably for their own corrupt reasons. So, if men are corrupt & full of sin, then by their hands, so is the Bible.


Paladin,

Your comment about man's interpretation being corrupt and you follow with man's interpretation, personal opinion. What?

I am trying to get you to look at faith anew. Posting the Professor's response to
Dr. Laura is a list of his interpretations, mocking interpretations of Scripture. Do you
realize everyone can do that so who has the correct interpretation? And go back
further, who can believe the Canon of Scripture is truly inerrant?

Don't you wish to know the reason for your life? God gave us a way to know, it's historical, God established a Church who gave us His inerrant Bible. And fact, there is more to God's revelation than the "Bible Alone" heresy. Look to the Church for all of
God's revelation.

We can go to the Church, Jesus never established Churches, go to the RCC for the correct interpretation of Scripture. The Canon has not changed since Pope Damasus,
divinely inspired by God in 383 A.D. decided the Canon. The same for the writers
of the Gospel, those men heard from God. Seee....we can know.

There is not one verse in Scripture, Old or New Testament that conflicts with another
if you go by the Church, her interpretation. God gave the Church the authority to
interpret Scripture.

Read the footnotes, they are help to understand why the Church teaches what she does.
The English translation of the first Bible, the Latin Vulgate, called the Douay-Rheims
is online to read. Purchase it soon, we won't have the Internet forever.

And Dr. Laura was correct in her acceptance of the Old Testament. The homosexual
"act" is an abomination to God. Love the sinner not the sin.

www.drbo.org...


take care,

Colbe



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Don't you wish to know the reason for your life? God gave us a way to know, it's historical, God established a Church who gave us His inerrant Bible.


You're confusing "knowledge" with "belief" again


As for the accuracy of the bible, it's DEMONSTRABLY wrong in a ton of cases. Like the exodus of the Jews, or that silly global flood that never happened, or the claim that humans just popped up in their current form...all DEMONSTRABLY wrong. Only a blind sheep would continue to believe in something that's demonstrably wrong


If you want to know just how much the bible is wrong: LINK



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
Also, still waiting


Want to bet? Any amount up to $500k that what you claim won't happen within the next year, put your money where your mouth is so to speak. Given that according to you, god is sooooooo mad at gays, what is he waiting for? Me giving him an entire year should suffice to prove what complete nonsense your claims are





I AM LOVE, I ALERT YOU.


Given that according to you he's about to commit genocide, the whole "love" part seems a bit ridiculous, don't you think? That's like Hitler claiming he's love before shoving millions of Jews into the oven because of racism/bigotry.


edit on 10-10-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)


Mr. XYZ,

"You?"

I am not the messenger, I shared a message from Heaven.

It's been choice all along, don't wait until your deathbed to see this friend. You keep
returning so I don't think you are truly the atheist.

Read history, judgment finally comes even though God is full of love and mercy. You read His imploring people to change, to come to Him but they stubbornly say no. Their choice to do "evil." God's judgment is His mercy because many finally change for the good because of judgment even in their last moments.

I am reading it in most of the responses, the denial an act is a "sin" and you can lose
your soul. The sexual sins are mortal if you don't repent and confess them to God before
you die. Look at the fruit of sexual sins, this should tell you.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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I am not the messenger, I shared a message from Heaven.


If you share a message you're a messenger


Also, you have just as little proof for your claims as Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or the people believing in the giant monkey god somewhere in Papua New Guinea.

The bible is demonstrably wrong in many cases, which should be reason enough for any sceptical, rational person to question its content, or those who proclaim they are "messengers".

As for me not being an atheist, sorry to disappoint you...but I'm 100% an atheist. The reason I keep on posting is because I see how much damage brainwashing does, especially considering the incredible amount of bigotry in this thread



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Don't you wish to know the reason for your life? God gave us a way to know, it's historical, God established a Church who gave us His inerrant Bible.


You're confusing "knowledge" with "belief" again


As for the accuracy of the bible, it's DEMONSTRABLY wrong in a ton of cases. Like the exodus of the Jews, or that silly global flood that never happened, or the claim that humans just popped up in their current form...all DEMONSTRABLY wrong. Only a blind sheep would continue to believe in something that's demonstrably wrong



Only WRONG in a man's personal interpretation of the Bible.

The Bible is God's knowledge revealed to us Mr. XYZ. How do you explain all the prophecies revealed in the Old Testament coming true in the New Testament?



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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I am not the messenger, I shared a message from Heaven.


If you share a message you're a messenger


Also, you have just as little proof for your claims as Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or the people believing in the giant monkey god somewhere in Papua New Guinea.

The bible is demonstrably wrong in many cases, which should be reason enough for any sceptical, rational person to question its content, or those who proclaim they are "messengers".

As for me not being an atheist, sorry to disappoint you...but I'm 100% an atheist. The reason I keep on posting is because I see how much damage brainwashing does, especially considering the incredible amount of bigotry in this thread


These are serious times, it is important to share the messages from Heaven.

I didn't personally hear them in my heart, I am not the prophet. Try to understand
the difference. Your words underlined...

Naaah, you're torn. God's sending you a "grace." Believe God loves us more than
He loves Himself. Imagine!! He desires we be with Him forever in Heaven. I'll follow
your belief for a "second" and still come back with, if it isn't true that God is who I have
read of, learned of...I do not want to live another moment. What would be the point?



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Only WRONG in a man's personal interpretation of the Bible.


On the contrary, only personal interpretation can make it "seem" correct...objectively, it's just plain wrong in many cases. This isn't even up for debate, click the link with OBJECTIVE evidence I posted above. History doesn't back up the claims in the bible is sooooo many cases, and neither does science, on the contrary.




The Bible is God's knowledge revealed to us Mr. XYZ. How do you explain all the prophecies revealed in the Old Testament coming true in the New Testament?


And which prophecy would that be??? And I hope you realize that many prophecies in the old testament were added AFTER the thing happened, and then also added to the new testament as if the prophecy got fulfilled.

Let me ask you this:

1) How can you believe in the bible if history PROVES the exodus of the Jews didn't happen as told in the bible?
2) How can you believe in the bible if we know for a FACT a global flood didn't happen?
3) How can you believe in the bible if we know that humans evolved and didn't just pop up in their current form?
4) How can you believe in the bible if it states people can survive inside whales when we know that's complete nonsens?

Should I go on?



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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MrXYZ, thanks for your reply. I'll reply in caps, a little faster for me.




Only WRONG in a man's personal interpretation of the Bible.

On the contrary, only personal interpretation can make it "seem" correct...objectively, it's just plain wrong in many cases. This isn't even up for debate, click the link with OBJECTIVE evidence I posted above. History doesn't back up the claims in the bible is sooooo many cases, and neither does science, on the contrary.

I SHARED ALREADY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S REVELATION, HIS WORD
INCLUDED IS HERESY. GOD KNOWS MAN'S FALLEN NATURE, HIS PRIDE, THE
REASON GOD ESTABLISHED "ONE" AUTHORITY.



The Bible is God's knowledge revealed to us Mr. XYZ. How do you explain all the prophecies revealed in the Old Testament coming true in the New Testament?


And which prophecy would that be??? And I hope you realize that many prophecies in the old testament were added AFTER the thing happened, and then also added to the new testament as if the prophecy got fulfilled.

NO THEY WEREN'T. THE PROPHECY WAS GIVEN AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS
PASSED, AND WE SEE THEM FULFILLED WITH CHRIST COMING IN THE NEW
COVENANT. I CAN POST SOME OF THEM.

Let me ask you this:

1) How can you believe in the bible if history PROVES the exodus of the Jews didn't happen as told in the bible?
2) How can you believe in the bible if we know for a FACT a global flood didn't happen?
3) How can you believe in the bible if we know that humans evolved and didn't just pop up in their current form?
4) How can you believe in the bible if it states people can survive inside whales when we know that's complete nonsens?

1 - STATE IN A SENTENCE OR TWO HOW HISTORY PROVES THERE WAS NO
EXODUS.

2 - GOD JUDGED THE WORLD BY A GREAT FLOOD AND IN THE COMING CHASTISEMENT WILL BE BY FIRE.

3 - THE CHURCH BELIEVES THERE IS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A SPECIES WHICH
IS MICRO-EVOLUTION. MACRO-EVOLUTION, NO WAY, ONE SPECIES DOESN'T
EVOLVE FROM ANOTHER. ESPECIALLY IF ONE HAS GOD'S PRESENCE IN THEM,
A SOUL.

4 - YOU ARE LIMITING GOD. YOU CAN SURVIVE ANYWHERE IF IT IS GOD WILLS IT. EXAMPLE, THE PRIESTS WHO SURVIVED A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM THE
HIROSHIMA GROUND 0 BLAST. READ OF THEIR WITNESS.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Here is a list of Old Testament prophecy fulfilled by Christ...

*LISTED: The Messianic Prophecy (paraphrased). Where the prophecy appears in the Old Testament. Jesus’ fulfillment of the prophecy in the New Testament.*


The Messiah will be the offspring (descendant) of the woman (Eve) Genesis 3:15 Galatians 4:4

The Messiah will be a descendant of Abraham, through whom everyone on earth will be blessed Genesis 12:3, 18:18 Acts 3:25-26, Matthew 1:1

The Messiah will be a descendant of Judah Genesis 49:10 Matthew 1:1-2, Luke 3:23-33

The Messiah will be a prophet like Moses Deuteronomy 18:15-19 Acts 3:22-23

The Messiah will be the Son of God Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22

The Messiah will be raised from the dead Psalm 16:10-11 Matthew 28:5-9, Mark 16:6,
Luke 24:4-7, John 20:11-16, Acts 1:3, 2:32

The Messiah crucifixion experience Psalm 22 (contains 11 separate prophecies—not all listed here) Matthew 27:34-50, John 19:17-30

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:11, 35-39

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet Psalm 22:17 (note, a number of translations render this differently; this is a difference between Septuagint and Masoretic translations) Luke 23:33, 24:36-39, John 19:18, 20:19-20, 24-27

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken Psalm 34:21 John 19:31-33, 36

Men Will Gamble for the Messiah’s clothing Psalm 22:19 Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34, John 19:23-24

The Messiah will accused by false witnesses Psalm 35:11 Matthew 26:59-60, Mark 14:56-57

The Messiah will be hated without a cause Psalm 35:19, 69:5 John 15:23-25

The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend Psalm 41:10 John 13:18-21

The Messiah will ascend to heaven (at the right hand of God) Psalm 68:18-19 Luke 24:51, Acts 1:9, 2:32-35, 5:31-32, 7:55-56, Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20-21, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 1:3, 8:1, 10:12, 12:2, I Peter 3:22 and elsewhere

The Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink Psalm 69:22 Matthew 27:34, John 19:29-30

Great kings will pay homage and tribute to the Messiah Psalm 72:10-11 Matthew 2:1-11

The Messiah is a “stone the builders rejected” who will become the “head cornerstone” Psalm 118:22, Isaiah 28:16 Matthew 21:42-43, Acts 4:11, Ephesians 2:20, I Peter 2:6-8

The Messiah will be a descendant of David Psalm 132:11, Jeremiah 23:5-6, 33:15-16 Luke 1:32-33

The Messiah will be a born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-25, Luke 1:26-35

The Messiah will make the blind see, the deaf hear, etc. Isaiah 35:5-6 Many places. Also see Matthew 11:3-6, John 11:47

The Messiah will be beaten, mocked, and spat upon Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67, 27:26-31

The “Gospel according to Isaiah” Isaiah 52:13-53:12 The whole of the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

People will hear and not believe the “arm of the LORD” (Messiah) Isaiah 53:1 John 12:37-38

The Messiah will be rejected Isaiah 53:3 Matthew 27:20-25, Mark 15:8-14, Luke 23:18-23, John 19:14-15

The Messiah will be killed Isaiah 53:5-9 Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:46, John 19:30

The Messiah will be silent in front of his accusers Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 26:62-63, 27:12-14

The Messiah will be buried with the rich Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:59-60, Mark 15:46, Luke 23:52-53, John 19:38-42

The Messiah will be crucified with criminals Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27, Luke 23:32-33

The Messiah is part of the new and everlasting covenant Isaiah 55:3-4, Jeremiah 31:31-34 Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:6-13

The Messiah will be our intercessor (intervene for us and plead on our behalf) Isaiah 59:16 Hebrews 9:15

The Messiah has two missions Isaiah 61:1-3 (first mission ends at “. . . a year of favor from the LORD”) First mission: Luke 4:16-21; Second mission: to be fulfilled at the end of the world

The Messiah will come at a specific time Daniel 9:25-26 Galatians 4:4, Ephesians 1:10

The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem Micah 5:1 Matthew 2:1, Luke 2:4-7

The Messiah will enter Jerusalem riding a donkey Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 21:1-11

The Messiah will be sold for 30 pieces of silver Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 26:15 with Matthew 27:3-10

The Messiah will forsaken by His disciples Zechariah 13:7 Matthew 26:31-56

The Messiah will enter the Temple with authority Malachi 3:1-3 Matthew 21:12, Luke 19:45




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