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Conspiracy theories are no good. Jesus is savior.

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by TheTruthCqer
reply to post by WhatsHappenin666
 


You should not question history, but accept it as is.


Omg man stop...please!

History is written by the winners...



this is true, i can only imagine how much information we would have today if people decided not to burn libraries in the old days.




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeker10

Originally posted by TheTruthCqer
Jesus Christ is our savior. Accept Him and your lives will be saved. I speak from personal exprience and as a fellow conspiracy theorist whose life went from ruins to salvation after a long journey into the unknown. I have come to find all the truths in catholicism. Please people, listen. Glory to God.


yes your right in jesus is our saviour
im with you on that bro

but your pissing in the wind if your basing your beliefs on the catholic church
im a former catholic btw.


There seems to be a paradox when looking at the Catholic Church and other denominations. Some church history and a glance at the invention of the printing press will reveal the answer.

Jesus built the Church on Peter, the Rock. The Rock was Satan. Peter denied Christ and then was told by Jesus, "Get behind me Satan." Why did Jesus call Peter the Rock? The Rock is the church and the church gets in the way of the risen Christ from its worldly wisdom. What covered the tomb of Christ? The Rock. What was rolled away to reveal the risen Christ? The Rock. What will be left behind after the Church has risen with Christ? An empty tomb (Earth). There is nothing wrong with the Catholic faithful that will not be cured when their corrupt leaders are left in the tomb. True faith is not a religion or a dogma of worldly practice. This is exoteric faith. True faith is not esoteric either. This is spirituality. The narrow path is between each of these. It is faith resulting in works, not works resulting in faith. LINK

The church was printing indulgences which move Martin Luther to print his Thesis. This allowed 70 million people to move from Europe to America for freedom of worship. The true church was born from this reformation. The printing press and indulgences allowed the industrial revolution and the mass spreading of the gospel.


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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by TheTruthCqer
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Dont question, but learn from it.



My friend i've done my learning...

You must question everything you read in it to find truth... otherwise you will be just like the other religionists toting their garbage... judgemental and blind to truth.

You're already starting down that path as you can clearly see...

Don't question just believe.....


Most people mistake the judgment of the subject with the object delivering the message. A Christian is the object speaking a message that judges as the subject of their faith. The fact that the subject judges another person is evident by the power within the s(Word) of truth. The flaming sword spoken of in Genesis 3 that protects the tree of life is the consuming fire of God that cuts away our pride. If it is not allowed to do its job and build our faith, then faith is dead apart form the works of the spirit. Dead faith ends in the separation of pride.

God is one. This means that we are all the one of God as well. He did not use anything but Himself to create reality. We are Him and He is in us. We separate ourselves from Him by our pride. God stands for unity and love. If we do not stand on this side with Him as He divides the light from the darkness, then we stand alone in the dark. We only have ourselves to blame if darkness is where we want to be. I choose to stand firmly in the light and love God and others as myself. Love fulfills every law.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Well said...




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Read and follow what Jesus said. Forget what the catholic priests say.
Because you'll soon realize that their message is completely different.
The things that differentiate catholicism from the rest of christianity aren't in the bible. So, IMO, picking catholicism out of all the sects of christianity is the wrong decision.
When you realize the catholic faith is based on a bunch of rituals that Jesus didn't promote, and misinterpretations, don't lose faith in Jesus' message. Just remember to read what Jesus said, and not what men say he meant.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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I want you all to realize how serious I am before i share my experience with you.

My life went from ruins to salvation the day i accepted the flying spaghetti monster onto my dinner plate.

He truly is the one true god for the parables of the pasta tells us he is.

Please accept his noodliness goodness. He has saved me from a terrible sinful life.

Glory be to his al dente noodliness.

My post has as much meaning and rests on the same type of illogical nonsense as yours.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Keep on laughing. Just remember that God is NOT mocked. You really should go and repent and ask Jesus into your heart now, before its too late. Now! There will come a time when we all will face him and every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord. Think I'm kidding? just keep on mocking him and see what happens. Remember that old saying "Don't tempt fate?"



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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I have asked this before to others. How is your views correct over the others? I ask you and others how is your views on Jesus and salvation true compared to Islam, Judaism, or even Hinduism?



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by megabytz
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I want you all to realize how serious I am before i share my experience with you.

My life went from ruins to salvation the day i accepted the flying spaghetti monster onto my dinner plate.

He truly is the one true god for the parables of the pasta tells us he is.

Please accept his noodliness goodness. He has saved me from a terrible sinful life.

Glory be to his al dente noodliness.

My post has as much meaning and rests on the same type of illogical nonsense as yours.


2 Peter 3:3

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

I note that you are a believer in the Pastafarianism movement. Do something right now while you are here in this place. Trace your decisions in the past few months and ask this question: Are you taking reward or suffering work for others? Take a close look and then view this.

EVIL | TAKE--REWARD---> | Suffering |---GIVE---> REWARD | GOOD

As a general rule, if we take from the world, then suffering is the result. Pride takes and does not give. Take a cigarette into your lungs (reward) and suffering follows. If you give to the world, then reward follows the suffering required to give. Suffer an education and you get the reward of a good job. Suffer a car loan and you get transportation. The trick is in knowing where the true reward is located on each side of suffering.

I don't know you, but by your comments I can guess that you are on the left of suffering. When you figure this out and begin to tire of this life, consider moving to the right of suffering and the truth will set you free. Some day you may thank me for this. Seeds have a way of growing, even if weeds are choking them out.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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Don't you dare mock his noodliness either.

You better not mock Thor,Allah,Odin,Dionysus,poseidon,aphrodite,Artemis,Apollo, or Hestia either.

They hate to be mocked as well and will only put up with it for so long.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Please don't quote the bible in your defense.

First you have to show the legitimacy of the bible. Which you cannot do.

Otherwise your arguing in circles.

If your education was truly superior I would think you would know a little about logic and reasoning.

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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I believe because of the things I have experienced in my personal life and the things that I have seen in other peoples lives. Jesus is the only one that has died for my sins-not mohammed, buddha, or even Abraham. Do any of these others even claim that? I am not inclined to get into vain theological arguments with unbelievers because it doesnt to any good to argue, so I will just peace be to you and may God bless you and I hope you find what you're searching for soon my friend.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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That's your testimony. It still doesn't make it true or correct over the others. Jesus is just one of many figures who was sacrificed for sin it seems. It takes a lot of faith to say Jesus is the only way.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
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I have asked this before to others. How is your views correct over the others? I ask you and others how is your views on Jesus and salvation true compared to Islam, Judaism, or even Hinduism?


All the religions you mention are based on works that lead to the desire for heaven. Unfortunately, heaven cannot be gained by works. If only we are good enough and please God with our works, we can get earn our way to God. If we desire a reward, what does this say about what we really desire? If we desire to avoid punishment, what does this say about what we really search for? Fear avoids punishment. Greed desires reward. This is duplicity. We say one thing but mean another.

With Biblical faith, good is seen as its own reward because we choose to love others and give instead of take. This produces faith. The desire for good is beyond the desire for self. The desire to please the self nullifies the desire to please anyone else, including God. The Christian religion is based on God's grace to us and not our works toward Him. This is a paradox if you only view this from a standpoint of what's in it for "me." This view can only be duplicitous. Faith is not your work, but God's work in you. If you refuse Him the opportunity, then you remain in your place of dead works. LINK

Examine how suffering operates from my last post. Suffering is not something we hate God for. It is something we thank Him for. We have the choice to bring suffering on ourselves or send it out to others as our work for them. We can name examples of suffering all you want that are undeserved. For each one of these examples, I can show you another where faith won the victory.

Take this guy as an example. Only true faith sets you free form the world. Reward is not the point.



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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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And I do have the faith and courage to stand up and say, in the face of all unbelievers, even the scoffers and mockers, that Jesus is Lord, and he is the way, the truth and the life. and like I said, none of the other saviors or prophets or gods ever claimed to give their life for my sins so that I could be saved, except for Christ.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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To respond to your completely baseless GUESS of the type of person I am, I am actually extremely happy. I volunteer at least 35 hours a week, I visit sick children every other day, I build houses for the needy, and I tutor high school students in math and chemistry.

I lead a very fulfilled life and haven't suffered in a very long time.

Interestingly enough my life got much better when I left seminary and realized what a lie Christianity was.

I enjoy this life, right here and now, the only one I have. I don't need the promise of eternal reward to do good or to do what is right. Especially when there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that that reward, or god for that matter, exists.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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I have heard this constantly by Christians over the years. That the Christian faith is based on no works and is faith through grace. Which is incorrect. Since the Christian faith has to be one of the most complex belief systems in today's world. Think about it! There are many different Christians. Which group will lead you to heaven? Also I know Christians are the most likely to promote their faith though different markets: books, movies, television shows, audio, music, and so on. Sounds more like to me then the others.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Where's your proof? How can I mock Jesus when I do not believe in Jesus?



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Thor,Allah,Odin,Dionysus,poseidon,aphrodite,Artemis,Apollo, or Hestia NEVER manifested themselves to come and offer themselves to die for my sins. God Bless you and peace be with you.

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Veritas1
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And I do have the faith and courage to stand up and say, in the face of all unbelievers, even the scoffers and mockers, that Jesus is Lord, and he is the way, the truth and the life. and like I said, none of the other saviors or prophets or gods ever claimed to give their life for my sins so that I could be saved, except for Christ.


I might back you on this and state why our debt can be paid by Christ. Consider this example: In mathematics, if you owe three people $10, then you are negative $30 (3 X -10 = $-30). If the lenders then say, "We forgive you for this debt because we love you," then you are free from that debt by another negative. You have just had three subtractions of -10, making you three positives of $10 (-3 X -$10). Your debt is -30 + 30 = Zero. Jesus died a horrible death to pay our debt, walking us back to a positive value.

Only the love of God can bring forgiveness and positive in multiples. In multiplication, two like signs become a positive sign. With the multiplication of two negatives, we are walking backwards in a positive direction away from debt. Why? In mathematics this is true because we are walking the numbers in opposite, but in the direction of positive. It is easy to draw the conclusion to the gospel of Christ. Mankind is fallen and in debt to sin. Jesus suffered the cross as a negative multiplied to our negative. This then becomes the positive of our salvation. Jesus paid our debt by walking the debt backwards to positive.

If you can watch this video, knowing what you know about this debt being forgiven, and not weep, I would be surprised.



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