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Chinese PC makers face crisis as wages rise

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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You're right. I forgot about the day passes. I guess I should clarify what I meant: that it's not possible to sneak and find a job, get caught and then be granted a magic pass to stay. Most of the illegals, I should point out, are simply people who have a) entered on a bogus visa/passport or b) have overstayed their visas and are scared to death to tell anyone.




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's pretty much how globalized corporations work.

They move in, use up whatever they can, then when the standard of living is too high they have to move to other locations that are willing to do things cheaper.


It's pretty much what western consumers demand - they* are unwilling to pay retail prces that would support living wages anywhere because they are fixated on getting everything as cheap as possible, and they won't buy stuff that's jsut a smidgen more expensive even if it is advertised as being better for the workers.

* - that's you and me......



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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How this?
Monnunistic.
China is a Monnustic country now.

That is unless someone else has coined the term......



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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It's pretty much what western consumers demand - they* are unwilling to pay retail prces that would support living wages anywhere because they are fixated on getting everything as cheap as possible, and they won't buy stuff that's jsut a smidgen more expensive even if it is advertised as being better for the workers.
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You bring up a good point. I worked for a electronics company that loved to buy their circuit boards and chips from China. Very shoddy work, especially with ISO standards. But they bought the stupid things at rock bottom prices despite the fact we had to reject a large number of them. Some things can not be done on the cheap!



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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China has the amazing ability to simply not give a damn about small businesses or employers.

 


Have you ever been to China. For a long time and even now, the majority of business are small...

It wasn't until Western influences came in that large production opened shop. Hence the large businesses exporting all their goods.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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like now?



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Nobody watched the remake of "The Karate Kid"?
www.imdb.com...



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Which is why crushing smaller businesses and consolidating it all into larger entities which can mass-produce more, with less costs, faster times to markets, and shipping is so attractive. Consolidating business and manufacturing on this scale isn't good for the little guys, or for the people, but if you are looking to dominate in a global marketplace, it is assured great success.

Do you really believe China, or more specifically the Chinese government gives a damn about the people and small businesses/manufacturers involved here?



To a lesser degree similar things have happened in the USA, but are ultimately doomed to fail here. Which is why I suppose so many US businesses and manufacturers are either outsourcing, or relocating parts of or completely to China.




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's pretty much how globalized corporations work.

They move in, use up whatever they can, then when the standard of living is too high they have to move to other locations that are willing to do things cheaper.

If things keep going this way, I expect India and Central Africa to be where investment will start going. If India can solve it's over-regulation issues, and Central Africa can find political stability, there would be a lot more investment in those areas.


If people would have focused their efforts on solving the problem of low wages their self through ethical shopping practices, rather than waiting around for corporate government to solve their problems, this would never have been an issue. If you object to wages below a certain threshold then you should either start or participate in a fair trade practice. If Democrats would have all jumped on the fair trade bandwagon rather than writing their congressman so he could ignore them then that would have gone a long way towards solving that issue. But, it seems there is little interest in marketplace solutions proven to work and big interest in government solutions well proven to fail.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Well....I guess big corporations will no start establishing themselves in Africa...Cheap labor over there !!!



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by seachange

If people would have focused their efforts on solving the problem of low wages their self through ethical shopping practices, rather than waiting around for corporate government to solve their problems, this would never have been an issue. If you object to wages below a certain threshold then you should either start or participate in a fair trade practice. If Democrats would have all jumped on the fair trade bandwagon rather than writing their congressman so he could ignore them then that would have gone a long way towards solving that issue. But, it seems there is little interest in marketplace solutions proven to work and big interest in government solutions well proven to fail.


Market solutions, lol...

Here is the ugly truth-Human beings do not give a damn about the suffering of others when they cannot see it. Heck, most people living in this country don't give a damn about anyone's suffering even when they can see it. For them suffering is not getting the pair of shoes they want or whatever other flashy thing they need.

Why do you even bother with your shots at a political party? It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with human nature. Human's are greedy little creatures and as long as that is true they will be taking advantage of each other. Our whole system requires a large portion of the people to get screwed over. If everyone was getting a fair wage then most of us would be unable to afford quite a bit of the what we have.
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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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China is still growing at a massive rate though, the government will face social problems in the future but can and already has allowed much more freedom to appease people, nothing great compared to many other countries standards of course...but compare china even 15 years ago to now, that trend will continue and the rest will tend itself naturally as the new younger generations come in to power. There is also a very big middle class growing which with its new found wealth is spending their money like there is no tomorrow, rise in middle class usually accompanies a higher standard of living for the poor. The simple fact is that China is a country with over a billion people and going through an almost unfathomable in size industrial revolution, economic and social turbulence is a certainty during such times no matter which country we are talking about...but the fact they are still doing so well deserves praise imo. It is inevitable China will become the largest super power the world has ever seen within 35 years time, what happens along the way is the real question.
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