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*Is there possible RIPPLE EVIDENCE pointing to a primordial black hole hidden within the SUN/SOL?

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Is there a possible RIPPLE EVIDENCE pointing to a primordial black hole hidden within the SUN/SOL? I ask this because many have discussed whether or not the SUN/SOL could be used as a transporter device of some sort using black holes, wormholes and to go further dark matter links to other dark matter links within stars.




Researchers have simulated the effect of a primordial black hole — an object hypothesized to make up dark matter — passing through a star. This image illustrates the resulting vibration waves as a primordial black hole (white dots) passes through the center of a star. The different colors correspond to the density of the primordial black hole and strength of the vibration.
CREDIT: Princeton University/Tim Sandstrom









This image shows how visible matter can be seen but is still effected by the unseen magnetic fields maintaining its location.





This Hubble Space Telescope image shows NGC 1275, the galaxy located in the center of the Perseus Galaxy Cluster. The red threadlike filaments are composed of cool gas suspended by a magnetic field.
CREDIT: NASA/ESA/Hubble Heritage (STScI/AURA)-ESA/Hubble Collaboration





Scientists may be able to spot evidence of elusive dark matter by watching for ripples on the surfaces of stars, a new study suggests.

Such vibrations could indicate that a strange, hypothetical dark-matter object known as a primordial black hole has passed through the stars, according to the study. The ripples could thus provide observable proof of dark matter, which is thought to make up more than 80 percent of all matter in the universe but has thus far evaded direct detection.

Scientists believe that only 4 percent of the universe is made up of "normal" material that we can see. The rest is strange stuff called dark energy and dark matter.

Though dark matter is thought to dominate the universe, scientists still have not observed the stuff directly, instead inferring its existence through gravitational effects on the matter they can see.


www.space.com...

1 is not sure there is or is not a primordial black hole but if found it would be more data relating SOME stars to passage ways to other cosmic locations.

NAMASTE*******


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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Very interesting. I've never heard of this theory before & will be taking a look. The things we learn on a daily basis. I'm telling you though...wormholes are the way of travel. One day we will figure that out.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Stars bend space/time because of their dense gravity. This is classical physics. But what do they do to the quantum world? We know that classic physics cannot explain the quantum world and that it's as though they're separate worlds - we're still looking for a theory/model to unify them. So does it make sense that the effects on the macro (classical) scale might be different from the effects on the micro (quantum) scale?
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Some more on Dark energy.



In this image, dark matter (blue) has become separated from luminous matter (red) in the bullet cluster. Image courtesy of Chandra X-ray Observatory.




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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Indeed there is always more to learn about this LIL universe. Wormholes may be part of a more advanced way of travel in time but imagine the dark matter being tied to other dark matter areas in the cosmos and all that would need built is some sort of gate located in the correct areas connected and you may travel even faster.

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1 feels that to fully understand these celestials there is more HIGHER observation needed or obtained to grasp their effects and both the macro and micro realm. On the Micro though these stars could be equivalent to the particals observed in machines like LHC. they may behave in similar ways as well its just hard to visualize a gold proton bundle and its interactions during collisions behaving like 2 or more galaxies colliding stars and all from a Earth POV. in time though I think a connection will be made. Sometimes I used to wonder are the LHC collisions and ADVANCE SCIENCES LIKE THIS effecting the Universe on a direct way. Like pulling Higgs Boson into LIL UNIVERSE ect. And it comming from micro experiments but effecting the Macro realm more then expected..

Thank you both for your input.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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The current mainstream thinking in the astrophysical community is that dark matter forms a sort of web that houses galaxies. Last week's edition of Science was a special issue devoted to this unseen cosmic web. It is believed that as the universe evolves, the gravitational attraction of dark matter causes galaxies to spin and collide, forming superclusters. Using the Hubble Space Telescope, researchers looked at an area of the night sky about the size of the moon—specifically at galaxies contained in the massive supercluster Abell 901/902.

Since dark matter will distort light that passes through it, researchers were able to map areas that contain high densities of dark matter. The map (click for a larger image) was constructed by looking at more than 60,000 galaxies that exist 'behind' the Abell 901/902 supercluster. As the light from the galaxies passed through areas of dark matter in the supercluster, their light was bent and their apparent shape distorted; these distortions revealed areas with a high density of dark matter. The study pinpointed four such regions of high dark matter density. Calculations suggest that these four clumps contain more than 10 trillion times the mass of our sun. The researchers state that these area are known to have violent pasts where hundreds of galaxies migrated from the outskirts of the supercluster to these regions of space.

Image credit: NASA, ESA, C. Heymans, M. Gray, and STAGES Collaboration





arstechnica.com...

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Interesting thread, makes you wonder about the physics of stars, and really we have little knowledge of stars beyond what we can speculate and hypothesize on based on current knowledge of physics, and astrology.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Stars also bend light waves, this has been proven. Gravity can bend light waves.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by smarterthanyou
Interesting thread, makes you wonder about the physics of stars, and really we have little knowledge of stars beyond what we can speculate and hypothesize on based on current knowledge of physics, and astrology.


Indeed its hard to really get a full understanding of these celestials with the limited technology present or shared. It seems like when observations are complete of these and other celestials, those with the minds as they say, come up with hypothetical data to support the CURRENT information shared. This is misleading because it slows down total understanding/evaluation of what may really be going on. For all many know from here they could be aware. I know thats a far reach in Earth understanding but who knows. Blood cells are small ALIVE not sure if they are aware but you can see my point I think. Thats why its good to keep an open mind in science an not try to keep it all following uniform understanding.

Thank you for you input smarterthenyou, be well

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Nassim Haramein believes that everything in our universe is created by black holes. Goes as far to say that there is a black hole in the middle of the sun and earth. The mass of an atom is equal to the mass of the universe!

theresonanceproject.org...

Listen to his 2 part lecture..............You will then understand where he is coming from. Grab some popcorn, it's a long one but so very gripping. I couldn't stop watching.

www.paramacxa.nl...



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Thank you I will check it out.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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You'll notice that the simulation involves a primordial black hole passing through a star. Such an object would not "park" there. This is not evidence of a black hole in the Sun.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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But do you think one can be present from time to time. Now then later? Or never? Thanks for your input
And I was asking IS there EVIDENCE not there is?
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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If there are primordial black holes it would be possible for one to pass through the Sun. For that matter, it's possible for one to pass through you.

No, there has been no evidence found for the existence of primordial black holes. That's what the article is about, something to look for.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Thanks Phage



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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heres what i dont understand about this "primordial black hole" stuff

the very nature of a black hole that ive learned says any matter that touches it instantly becomes a part of it and the black hole grows in size

if a ultra small black hole were to be anywhere near the sun, first all the black hole would most likely be effected by the gravity of the sun and would plunge into the sun.

next as soon as the black hole touched the edge of the sun, it would start touching the matter there and it would suck all of it into itself and grow in size and then it would fall to the center of the sun sucking everything into itself and the entire sun would get sucked up quickly

how can a "small black hole" exist near matter without touching some of the electrons or protons and growing in size.

however ive read some theory that says black hole slowly radiate out energy and shrink. this means super small black holes could exist and as long as they dont touch any matter and dont grow in size they will shrink faster than they grow and eventually disappear. so this theory says it would be possible maybe for incoming high-speed particles to create mini-black-holes as they collide with the earth, however those black holes are so small they evaporate instantly and arent a danger

i dunno exactly the truth those are just the theories ive read. but yeah how could a black hole exist inside the sun without consuming the sun? makes no sense to me



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13
 

If there are primordial black holes it would be possible for one to pass through the Sun. For that matter, it's possible for one to pass through you.

No, there has been no evidence found for the existence of primordial black holes. That's what the article is about, something to look for.



This debate is getting old... Black holes are commonplace. Thousands upon thousands are said to exist throughout our own Milky Way. Furthermore, galactic formations are dependent on these points in space. Both a galaxy's size and speed correspond to locale in relationship to black holes. If black holes are a staple for such large formations, with evidence they dot the innards of our own galaxy, what challenges prevent these from competing with standardized theories? Observable forces are at play... Here's a chance to pay closer attention. A black hole pushes. Mass is resistance from one point to another on myriad scales.


Black holes don't require mass... They just require a flow.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by fibraz4jacked
i dunno exactly the truth those are just the theories ive read. but yeah how could a black hole exist inside the sun without consuming the sun? makes no sense to me



The way I see it is if they are not feeding or dorment it could work out. These are said to be elders so they may have eaten, also they could represent the output sides of smaller blackholes white holes as a primordial black hole isnt the same as a black hole 1 thinks its explaining. Thanks for your input fibraz4jacked




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Thank you also for your added data Americanist



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Talking about primordial black holes.

Different critters from the ones that have been created since the earliest times of the Universe. These guys are tiny and so far theoretical. The big ones are known to exist.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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Talking about primordial black holes.

Different critters from the ones that have been created since the earliest times of the Universe. These guys are tiny and so far theoretical. The big ones are known to exist.


Relatively speaking time doesn't exist, so primordial is all there is. Again, black holes dot everything and are spread thoroughly inside the known Universe. Take what you've gleaned of these "big ones," and apply it to tinier and tinier articles. The golden ratio embedded within the fibonacci sequence should be inspected further.

You might recall even at the quantum scale this was recently discovered.
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