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Originally posted by samstone11
reply to post by sacgamer25
Not everything is Gods will I promise you that. You do have free will. I promise if you pray for the wrong things you may get them. If you want your life to be God's will then you have to pray for God's will. At least that is what the bible says.
I do not believe I have ever had this specific thought that not everything is God's will. For me, this is quite a distinction and so obvious I completely overlooked it. Free will guarantees we make mistakes as well.
Thanks for the comment.
I have a question to add regarding prayer, though. I have always been taught to be specific with what I pray for, kind of like if I ask for patience then He may teach me in a way I wish I never asked for the help. However, if I ask for help understanding why I don't have enough money to buy that new car, yet, I may get a more direct answer. Which leads to the concept in the prayer of Jabez. Jabez essentially asked to be the wealthiest and most powerful he could possibly be, and in return he would be sacrificial and benevolent. My question is this: even though I believe I would sincerely be as charitable as possible with any blessings God gives, how can anyone actually be presumptuous enough to ask for such things? Does that indicate selfishness? Arrogance? Some other undesirable character trait? Even just for the welfare of my family, I have difficulty asking for finances or tangible items when so much of the world is suffering unbelievably. I would really like to learn better how to appeal to the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to be a better person, not just to better my personal situation.
Thanks for any input.
Originally posted by soldita
I was raised Christian, and like so many of us as time went by lost my faith. I ask this question not to incite, but to learn. Most importantly, I hope this thread remains respectful.
Jesus is God. In essence, he is the physical version of the God of the Heavens.
God is the Creator. He created the Heavens and the Earth, and holds dominion over them. Heaven is Gods house and nobody can kick him out.
Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. He was crucified for our sins as a means of allowing us mortals to enter into Heaven.
If Jesus is God, and God always has a place in Heaven, what was so ultimate about Jesus being crucified?
To me, this is like a magician making the ultimate sacrifice of sawing himself in half. Sure, to the crowd it might seem heroic, but at the end of the day the magician knows he will be just fine.
How about to cease to be God? A god dying would be one less god in existence. God would have to make a transition, through becoming a mortal, first, then die, never to return to being a god as he/she was previously.
I don't think that as humans we could fathom what would be the ultimate sacrifice for God.
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by soldita
Perhaps he really did make the ultimate sacrifice, and is truly dead. We certainly don't see San Francisco being smitten with holy, heavenly fire for all of the homosexuals there. Nor do we see the followers of Christ performing greater miracles than he, as he prophesied they would. Perhaps the story was real, but only to the point of the crucifixion. Perhaps God decided that this universe was a horrible, evil idea where to live, you have to kill, and perpetuate an endless cycle of suffering. I know that if I pulled off something so cosmically evil, I'd have to kill myself to get over the guilt.