"Occupy Wallstreet," the Communists in sheeps clothing.

Originally posted by Partisanity
reply to post by CantSay

 

Stop making so much sense, you're scaring away the rhetoric-flinging pseudo-trolls.

I get passionate and have a low tolerance for belligerent ignorance. If you don't know all the details, don't insist you know. Unknowing humble ignorance with an opinion is totally fine as long as logical reasoning is applied as best as possible.

Originally posted by mastahunta
The Agent

These communists
Punk kids, carrying out the agenda of Mao and Stalin
Trying to punish people for being successful
They just want a hand me out,
Fawking punks!
What'd the banks do to them?
They should be mad at the global elite
Not banks
The banks are.... well... banks, they lone money
give out smiles and build dreams
If you don't like apple pie, you probably love the Kremlin
Banks can make your pie come true
People give BJ's for what banks do
But banks don't demand BJ's
I like that
You like that
We all like that
Fawking commie punks!
Be against the Global Elite
Not the Banks
What did the banks ever do to you?


Mastahunta

edit on 28-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)

Keep huffing the American-dream glue... you're obviously comatose in naive support of a rightfully dying system.


Edit to add:
Forgive me if you are just being sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek and/or are quoting some lyrics. After everything I've seen on this site, I wouldn't be surprised if you were serious, lol.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by omarm1984
Communist? hardly.
Look at their demands, you can now vote on them.
coupmedia.org...

I saw a few things on the list I would get behind, notably repeal of the Patriot Act, there are however, a number of items that are socialist in nature and I would never support. It is definitely a mixed bag of demands. They want to forigive student loans----socialist----taxpayers would pick up the tab---what are these people thinking?

Equal rights for women? We already have equal rights. More leftist nonsense. Get rid of Capital punishement, more leftist stuff, they advocate letting brutal murderers live but......

Demanding the US ratify ALL other humans rights agreement... well that is the UN One World Govt if I ever saw it... again these people are making demands for One WOrld Govt....so again I was right about this protest.


Other demands seem to include changing how the courts work. I am deeply suspicious of that as well, because it probably has the INternational Criminal World Court in the Hague in mind, and thats more UN World Govt.

Interestingly, Obama steered the baillout money toward student loans, so I'm inclined to think that some of these protesters agree with the socialist agenda of Obama.

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You're a fool, you obviously have a LONNNNG way to go in intellectual enlightenment.

Some of these "socialists" and "communists" remind me of this:

Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism and occasionally as free communism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, markets, money, private property, and capitalism in favor of common ownership of the means of production,[1][2] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".[3][4]

Some forms of anarchist communism such as insurrectionary anarchism are strongly influenced by egoism and radical individualism, believing anarcho-communism is the best social system for the realization of individual freedom.[5][6][7][8] Most anarcho-communists view anarcho-communism as a way of reconciling the opposition between the individual and society.

Anarchist Communism


This is just another way to funnel money from the public.

I would hate to trust anyone who would be making "decisions"

Same as all forms of robbing from the poor and the rich get richer.

People that subscribe to these wild theories are not fooling everybody

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".....
YES, especially the administrators and "wealth-handlers"

Wheeew.........wild ideas.

reply to post by Indecent


Im going to guess you know nothing about the group and have blindly followed the propaganda they push out. I wonder what you think anti sec is.

After having browsed several articles and related documents,it seems that the next move of the Socialist organizations involved will be to bring in the Unions to back the lead of the participants at the Occupy Wallstreet event.This is where you will see how the Socialist agenda behind the movement calls directly to the Labor Unions which coincidentally are backed by what they call "comrades."

First I will show a website which is called New Unionism,I'm not sure if it is related to "The New Union Party" or not,it's difficult to find because they have transformed out of the "Socialist Labor Party" after being expelled in 1968 and labeled disrupters.Anyways I will get back to that in a moment after I show you the website and their propaganda in creating the uprise..A short excerpt:
Source

The distributed organizing process that led up to the #OccupyWallStreet event has produced a campaign with minimal leadership and no clear demands. However, it is far too early to assess this event. Participants (between 5000 and 500, depending on when you last counted) say they will continue to occupy the area until there is real change. Will their numbers grow or decline? Small solidarity events are also popping up in other cities and other countries. But where are the unions?

Okay to get back to what I was saying earlier about the SLP and NUP.I can't directly link you to the pdf since it is a secure file,but I will give you the link where it can be found and how to access it.If you look to the left after linking you will see a pdf link,go there...Here is the link source:..(See source below)
Source
I recommend reading the file,it will describe what I was referring about the split between the party and the comrade thing.If you are wondering what the 29th National Convention was you can read it here:..(See source below)
Source
Your probably thinking how does this prove that the Occupy Wallstreet is related to Communistic ideals.I believe that the protesters are doing what they think is right,and on one hand they are,but if you look at the other hand it's pulling the strings which will lead to the Communist Unions becoming involved,and to show you that we have to go back and see how the formation of Unions came about in America.

First Industrial Revolution was a period from the 18th to the 19th century where major changes in agriculture, manufacturing, mining, transportation, and technology had a profound effect on the socioeconomic and cultural conditions of the times. It began in the United Kingdom, then subsequently spread throughout Europe, North America, and eventually the world,and was proceeded by the Second Industrial Revolution.

I have more to add,but I'm getting sleepy so I will follow-up in the morning.

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Originally posted by Daedal

Okay to get back to what I was saying earlier about the SLP and NUP.I can't directly link you to the pdf since it is a secure file,but I will give you the link where it can be found and how to access it.If you look to the left after linking you will see a pdf link,go there...Here is the link source:..(See source below)

This pdf?
view.samurajdata.se...


2nd pdf link
view.samurajdata.se...

reply to post by aivlas
Thanks,that will work too...

reply to post by Daedal


Thats all well and good but your information and sources are 30-40 years old. The world has changed since the days of disco. Now, capitalism is out of our control and in the hands of psychopathic tyrants. So to bring up manifestos and sources from 1978 is not very good evidence of this evil communist plot to save you from illegal banking practices that came to a head a week ago

reply to post by doctornamtab

The sources that are sited are the beginning of linking the SLP with the Unions that exist today and to show that the Socialist Party has been around for some time.This thread is a work in progress,any info that is being posted is attributed to the Socialist movements in America since the dawning of the" Working Men's Party of The United States" established in 1876,and later in 1877 changed it's name to the "Socialist Labor Party of America,"which is also the first Socialist political Party in the United States and has operated continuously since that date,although its current existence is tenuous.

There's so much information leading in different directions,but are influential in the Socialist movements that are organizing Unions and the like.For instance,one thing I came across,as can be seen in the above portion of my post you commented on,was the Federal Reserves implementation and also the Rothschilds role in the development and subsequent advocacy of the Unions here in America,but also in England as well.And to further explain this we have to look at how Alfred/Author Balfour's role,not only at Jekyll island,but also in the Union organizations in The United Kingdom and Scotland.

In the pdf file above their is a man named Earl Balfour who was kicked out of the SLP in 1968 and labeled a disrupter.The connection I am trying to make is between Alfred Balfour or Author Balfour to Earl Balfour in the pdf of the SLP.What I do know is that Alfred Balfour was heavily involved in the Labour Party through his Union ties,which is a centre-left democratic socialist party,and if you read the source more information is provided.What I'm thinking is that the Rothschilds not only funded the birth of the Federal Reserve,but also sponsored the Socialist Unions as well since Alfred Balfour was a well established Union man in Socialist United Kingdom where House of Rothschilds resides.

Earl Balfour and Jeffrey Miller who are mentioned as the two primary men involved in the 1968 disruption were called to public hearings in The United States House of Representatives for subversive involvement in disruption of 1968 Democratic Party National Convention.Where a subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities met,pursuant to call, at 10 a.m., in Room 311, Cannon House Office Builclmg,Washington, D.C., Hon. Richard H. Ichord (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding..Here is an excerpt from the hearings:When you open the source link a pdf link will be available to the left to view complete source.
Source

The objectives, control, methods of organization, recruitment, indoctrination,and operation of subversive organizations are frequently concealed, and there does not appear to be any disposition upon the part of such organizations to make such information readily or publicly available.
A number of these organizations have international ties.Some are actually controlled by foreign Communist powers which have,by word and deed expressed unremitting hostility to our society.
The ideology of Marx and Lenin, to which several of them appear to adhere, teaches that there is to be no compromise with existing non-Communist governments, except only those "practical compromises"(to borrow the language of Lenin) which are necessary to accelerate the quarrels and conflicts which lead to the complete disintegration of society and the ultimate seizure of power by socialist revolutionaries.

If you read through the file you will see that the disruption happened in Chicago at the DNC on August 25th,1968,and further research has pointed to events leading upto the riots,which opposed the Vietnam War.Before I continue I would like to point out a thread I have recently come across that supports the assertions of direct subversive communist involvement.I highly reccommend you read it,the OP is Skyfloating.Also I would like to say thanks for your post..Here is the link:
Abovetopsecret.com
Also a source to confirm the events leading upto the 1968 riots which indicate the opposition as peace activists.Here is the link:
Source
I believe this proves what Skyfloating had posted in the OP.

I am following a long trail so it's gonna be a lot of posts in between that later on can be connected and put into a thread outlining this threads title.

reply to post by Daedal

After examining further the implementation of the Socialist agenda and how hey came to be organized,let's take a look at the"Working Men's Party,"which was the first"Labor Union," founded in 1828 and located in Philadelphia.The Labor Union is a American English version compared to the Trade Union which is British English decent,but are modeled one after another.

The Working Man's Party was formed in 1829 by two individuals,the first was a gentlemen named, Robert Owen,who was one of the founding father's of Utopian Socialism which is a term used to define the first currents of modern socialist thought.
Here is an excerpt from his biography(See source below)
Source

At an early age he had lost all belief in the prevailing forms of religion and had thought out a creed for himself, which he considered an entirely new and original discovery. The chief points in this philosophy were that man's character is made not by him but for him, that it has been formed by circumstances over which he had no control, that he is not a proper subject either of praise or blame. These principles lead up to the practical conclusion that the great secret in the right formation of man's character is to place him under the proper influences–physical, moral and social–from his earliest years. The principles of the irresponsibility of man and of the effect of early influences form the key to Owen's whole system of education and social amelioration. They are embodied in his first work, A New View of Society, or Essays on the Principle of the Formation of the Human Character, the first of four essays appearing in 1813. Owen's new views theoretically belong to a very old system of philosophy, and his originality is to be found only in his benevolent application of them.

His first departure in socialism took place in 1817, and was embodied in a report communicated to the committee of the House of Commons on the Poor Law which was an Amendment act passed by the Whig government,that reformed the country's Poverty Relief System,or as we know it"Social Security."Below is his proposal to the House of Commons 1817..(See source below)
Source

His proposals for the treatment of poverty were based on these principles. Communities of about twelve hundred persons each should be settled on quantities of land from 1000 to 1500 acres (4 to 6 km²), all living in one large building in the form of a square, with public kitchen and mess-rooms. Each family should have its own private apartments and the entire care of the children till the age of three, after which they should be brought up by the community; their parents would have access to them at meals and all other proper times.

Note:These proposals were given after the subsequent damage from the Napoleanic Wars and their affects on trade worker's.Owen pointed out that the permanent cause of distress was to be found in the competition of human labor with machinery.

In 1825 he conducted an experiment near Glasgow;and in the next year Owen himself began another at New Harmony, Indiana, U.S., sold to him by George Rapp.The founder of the religious sect called Harmonists,Harmonites,Rappites,or the Harmony Society,founded in germany in 1875 and made-up of Christian Theosophists and Pietism;Pietism being part of Luthuranism.

After a trial of about two years it failed completely, due to Owen's lack of presence to govern either of the communities.

Okay,there was a brief history on Robert Owen.Next will be the second figure that helped promote America into the ideals of Socialism,Communism,and the first ever American Labor Union.

I don't have enough space to continue with the presentation,so I will go ahead and post this up and continue in another post sometime soon.Hopefully this is beginning to shed some more light into this thread.

reply to post by Daedal

The sources that are sited are the beginning of linking the SLP with the Unions that exist today and to show that the Socialist Party has been around for some time.This thread is a work in progress,any info that is being posted is attributed to the Socialist movements in America since the dawning of the" Working Men's Party of The United States" established in 1876,and later in 1877 changed it's name to the "Socialist Labor Party of America,"which is also the first Socialist political Party in the United States and has operated continuously since that date,although its current existence is tenuous.

That's exactly right! The Unions have been a tool of the communist party since it's inception. I am not saying all unions are backed by the communist party or socialist party, but mostly that is where unions evolved from. It is important for people to know the history and background of unions. The fisted hand is almost always a sign of communism. Also Bill Ayers was involved with the SDS, and today a number of Congress Kritters are also members of DSA(Democratic SOCIALISTS of America). Anyone thinking this is mere coincidence needs to do more research. Since the 44 POTUS got in there has been a huge upswing of socialism and communism from Van Jones and Anita Dunn to SEIU.

reply to post by Daedal

Balfour sounds like connection to Balfour Declaration.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

He's definitely connected to that.But also note his Union aspirations in the United Kingdom.Seems possible that not only did the Rothchilds fund the federal Reserve,but may have also funded the Unionist uprising afterward.If you notice on the pdf of the NLP you will see a gentlemen named Earl Balfour,which maybe a connection to Authur,First Earl of Balfour?

Originally posted by doctornamtab
reply to post by Daedal

 

Thats all well and good but your information and sources are 30-40 years old. The world has changed since the days of disco. Now, capitalism is out of our control and in the hands of psychopathic tyrants. So to bring up manifestos and sources from 1978 is not very good evidence of this evil communist plot to save you from illegal banking practices that came to a head a week ago

edit on 29-9-2011 by doctornamtab because: (no reason given)

Since when hasn't the capital been in the hands of tyrants and psychopathic Men/Women or at least sought after by such.And if you don't believe that the manifestos were established to disengage Communism and embrace the more Socialistic ideas of the Utopian Socialists,such as Frances Wright or Robert Owen,who survived the Industrial Revolution and Napoleanic Wars in the United Kingdom,and helped form the first Harmony Society in Indiana and later in Philadelphia under the "Workingmans Party" Via Frances Wright and Robert Owen.

The bankers plot has been around since the moneychangers.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Some of these "socialists" and "communists" remind me of this:

Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism and occasionally as free communism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, markets, money, private property, and capitalism in favor of common ownership of the means of production,[1][2] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".[3][4]

Some forms of anarchist communism such as insurrectionary anarchism are strongly influenced by egoism and radical individualism, believing anarcho-communism is the best social system for the realization of individual freedom.[5][6][7][8] Most anarcho-communists view anarcho-communism as a way of reconciling the opposition between the individual and society.

Anarchist Communism


This is just another way to funnel money from the public.

I would hate to trust anyone who would be making "decisions"

Same as all forms of robbing from the poor and the rich get richer.

People that subscribe to these wild theories are not fooling everybody

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".....
YES, especially the administrators and "wealth-handlers"

Wheeew.........wild ideas.

If that's SERIOUSLY what you think... then you COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT OF ANARCHO-COMMUNISM and Anarchism in general.

Do your homework and try again.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Daedal

 

The sources that are sited are the beginning of linking the SLP with the Unions that exist today and to show that the Socialist Party has been around for some time.This thread is a work in progress,any info that is being posted is attributed to the Socialist movements in America since the dawning of the" Working Men's Party of The United States" established in 1876,and later in 1877 changed it's name to the "Socialist Labor Party of America,"which is also the first Socialist political Party in the United States and has operated continuously since that date,although its current existence is tenuous.

That's exactly right! The Unions have been a tool of the communist party since it's inception. I am not saying all unions are backed by the communist party or socialist party, but mostly that is where unions evolved from. It is important for people to know the history and background of unions. The fisted hand is almost always a sign of communism. Also Bill Ayers was involved with the SDS, and today a number of Congress Kritters are also members of DSA(Democratic SOCIALISTS of America). Anyone thinking this is mere coincidence needs to do more research. Since the 44 POTUS got in there has been a huge upswing of socialism and communism from Van Jones and Anita Dunn to SEIU.

You are chasing spectres in a paranoid attempt at clinging to an unrealistic conspiracy theory.

THERE IS NO COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY. Most people on the left-wing are quite ANTI-COMMUNIST and ANTI-TOTALITARIAN in general. If you truly believe that not all Socialism leads to Communism THEN STOP THERE AND DON'T SAY ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO SAY!!! Not everybody or every movement is, was, or will become Communist. Communism is dead... and Capitalism, hopefully, is on its way to join it.

reply to post by NoHierarchy

I would definitely say that from what I have been seeing Communism in and of it's self has been shelved,but the Socialist movement taking place in New York and it's identity remain to be seen.Let's see when the troops come home this year and next,if indeed their will be a similiar event transpiring like the protests in 1968 which incidentally riots exploded.

Also the Marxist theories have been transformed to what is called revolutionary industrial unionism or Deleonism.By a gentlemen named Daniel De Leon.Which we may very well seen as a call to arms by Americans against the tyrants.

well

here's some news about this.....

Unions and liberal groups to join ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protest

Labor unions and liberal activist groups plan to throw their weight behind the "Occupy Wall Street" protest in New York City that has now lasted 13 straight days, according to Crain's New York.

A diverse coalition of people have pledged to occupy Wall Street until something is done about corporate greed and the financial system's undemocratic influence on the U.S. government.

"A diverse coalition of people have pledged to occupy Wall Street"

Hmmm..

WHO might they be ?

"diverse" groups scare me to death !!!!


ETA:

AND, just WHO is "Funding" these "diverse" groups ?

I thought money wasn't the issue of commies and socies ....

reply to post by DeadBirdCitizen

Thank you. That was informative. I have noticed on facebook that this movement is expanding rapidly across the country. We American's have take your lead and are demanding to be heard. Sure, many of the cities aren't producing near the numbers that we are seeing in NYC but that's okay. At least now I can go and join the protest. (This can be found on FB under @occupy america or @occupy (insert city name here) as a general rule of thumb.)

The one thing I find that they all have in common is the concept of the 99%. "When 1% of our nation controls 90% of the wealth and 100% of the politicians then something is wrong!"

I have always been in favor of returning influence and control to the State and Local governments. We obviously need to keep a public face in D.C to represent us to the world and direct our military... but why not let the local population have some control and influence in the local society, economics and policies.

Of course there is an even better idea... albeit much more difficult in concept and implementation... that would be to create an almost true representative democracy via near-real-time internet voteing. (Not just for our representative's but for every issue, law and policy that comes up.) But that is a long way off. For now I will be happy to see an end to the "Police State" tactics and return of influence to the abandoned 99%.