Anonymous Leaks Personal Details of Cop Who Pepper-Sprayed Wall Street Protesters

reply to post by Partisanity


well it took us this long just to figure out how it all worked. the communists could've been more revealing about what they knew but then we'd know what their plans were. and the fascists could've been more revealing but a'las same scenario. now that we can see what the plan is, and how it's a tennis ball that gets wacked back and forth between two forms of the same political ideology (socialism) and now that we can see the effects this type of government has on commerce, we should be able to make saner choices at the voting booths, from local elections, to state, to country.

seems the guys behind all this, realizing we are finally aware of what's been happening, are panicking that we may finally resolve this without killing each other enmasse. that ain't on the docket.

reply to post by Section31


i believe the business owners have rights, yes, but how much of that sidewalk is their property? didn't the tax payers pay for that sidewalk? just curious. was it anti-loitering laws or something? cause those have been around for a long time, but there are so many people on sidewalks in nyc, it's amazing that there is such a law there. how could you tell the difference between one mass of humanity on the sidewalk and another? by the signs maybe? and this is the issue. are they saying the protestors were effecting their business? what type of business was it? were they being picked on?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Partisanity

 

Seems the guys behind all this, realizing we are finally aware of what's been happening, are panicking that we may finally resolve this without killing each other enmasse. that ain't on the docket.

After reading through this thread, the only thing that has happened is activist whining.

Cops should have launched tear gas into the crowd.

reply to post by dashen


If the cop didn't do anything wrong he shouldn't have anything to worry about. That's what I've been told coming from the other side anyway...

-rrr

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Section31

 

I believe the business owners have rights, yes, but how much of that sidewalk is their property? didn't the tax payers pay for that sidewalk?

Since the sidewalk is paid for by the local establishment and local community, not federal government, do you want to make a guess on whose rights were trampled on? Businesses pay taxes for the property, plumbing, street lights, police, fire department, sidewalk, town services, etc...

Here we have a scenario which is potentialy divisive. On the face of it, you have a group of cops, herding and containing a group of non violent protestors, who despite thier utter lack of aggression , are in the wrong area, and not permitted to be there. In order to neutralise that situation, a cop uses his pepper spray, and the protest area is redefined into a shape which is considered more acceptable.

However, on the other hand, you have a peaceful protest, peopled by a large number of women, being hemmed in by big police persons, prepared to use what I was lead to believe was a self defense weapon, to pacify a non violent target.

Its one thing using pepper spray to floor a knife wielding nutcase, or a thug with a bat. That would be a choice which most anyone would support. But there is no need to use anti aggression tactics on persons who are not violently predisposed! This is exactly as stupid as the case of the lad with cerebral palsy who was pulled from his wheelchair, TWICE by the same officer during the Tuition Fees Protest here in the UK a while back. The chap presented no risk, but was treated like a dangerous criminal despite the fact that his condition and its severity meant that he posed no risk to anyone, and despite the fact that this much would be clear to ANYONE looking at him for more than a fraction of a second.

The ladies who were affected by this pepper spraying, were no threat to the officer involved, and thier refusal to move could have been countered by a simple , careful push. Using a self defense weapon to pacify these defenseless , inherantly peaceful people, was unwarranted, and not even remotely necessary. I have no objection to moving rioting individuals around by using water cannon, tear gas and pepper spray, or for that matter bean bag rounds, if the target poses a genuine and very serious threat to life and livelihood.

Those requirements for a fair use of pepper spray however, were not even close to being filled. Those supporting the actions of the officer in this case, have misunderstood the idea behind these non lethal weapons entirely. You do not use any weapons on people in order to make them obey your command. The only reason to pull ANY weapon, on ANY person, is if that person is behaving in a manner which makes them a danger to life and limb, or if they are self evidently destroying public or private property. Thats it. You can argue the point if you like, but thats how it is. If it were any other way , then there would be no protest possible, because any form of protest would be met with an overpowered response.

There are those who complain that the protesting women who were hit by the spray, are "over reacting" to it, and cannot possibly be in as much pain as they appear to be, are obviously incapable of any empathy or understanding what so ever. I say this for the following reasons.

1) I do not know what some of our members have done in their lives, I am sure that there are some big brute men (and women) on this site who are all but impervious to the effects of a pepper spray can. However, not everyone is as familiar as they might be with pain. Its like getting a tattoo or peircing... some people cant stand it, others can deal with the sensation, and others love it.

2) The sheer shock at being attacked without provocation, with this can of spray, was probably having more of an affect at the time, than the actual spray was, and that is utterly understandable, as the use of such was unjustified given the scenario which was set before the offending officer.

3) Some people may be geneticaly predisposed to weakness against sprays of this nature, and there is no way that anyone can say for sure what exactly these folks were feeling, or what thier pain level was. For all we know, the woman who was on her knees casting about like a blind woman, may have had a weakness of the film over her eyes, or a particular genetic abnormality which makes sensation felt in the eye more accute than normal. Who the hell are we to say, what something ought to feel like?

You can tell me that these people should have been moved on, and I might be inclined to agree with you. You can tell me that these people were interupting a perfectly innocent days work on the parts of the employees of the building outside which the protest seemed to have congregated, and I might be inclined to agree with you. If you tell me however, that either of those things is worth macing a defenseless and peaceful protest for, and I will tell you that you can cram your statist swastika-worshiping ideals where the sun doesnt shine.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Section31

 

i believe the business owners have rights, yes, but how much of that sidewalk is their property? didn't the tax payers pay for that sidewalk? just curious. was it anti-loitering laws or something? cause those have been around for a long time, but there are so many people on sidewalks in nyc, it's amazing that there is such a law there. how could you tell the difference between one mass of humanity on the sidewalk and another? by the signs maybe? and this is the issue. are they saying the protestors were effecting their business? what type of business was it? were they being picked on?

Courts have addressed this before.

en.wikipedia.org...

Curtilage: the area surrounding a property or business that is pubically accessable can be considered public property.
This is the law the cops use to say thay have permission to be on your doorstep.
The Law works for everyone.

When I was growing up out in fly over land, the majority of cops were like Sheriff Taylor from Mayberry. Sure they could escalate to butt hole if you pushed them but they were generally helpful, courteous and kind. Rather than throw kids in jail they would take them home.

Now they dress for combat with military weapons/vehicles and seem to look for an excuse to abuse and/or kill members of the public. Saw on-line and as was mentioned in earlier posts the NYPD bragged about being able to bring down a plane. How retarded is that, bragging about being able to kill 350-450 people? Every time you fly into New York will you have to worry that a cop, who is having a bad day, is going to shoot your plane out of the air?

If there is another plane attack will they shoot down every plane flying to land at a New York airport?

If it takes exposing cop's families to danger to put fear into them and make them think before acting thuggish then some good may come of it.

Local taxpayer (the business) versus transient protestor.

Who do you think will win?

reply to post by Section31


well if it wasnt their property then they were there under the good graces of the businesses in the area. and some of those businesses didn't mind and profited from their presence and that particular one did mind. i sure wish i knew what kind of a business it was. i don't need the name. just...what was it?

reply to post by BadNinja68


okay i'm confused now. is section right or is wiki right?
or this like one of those arguments that goes back and forth, depending on how much money and influence the person has?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Section31

 

I sure wish I knew what kind of a business it was. i don't need the name. just...what was it?

It doesn't matter what type of business was on the corner. What matters was that their door was being blocked.

Its that simple.

Reposted from p6 of thread....

Originally posted by dashen
An interview with one of the girls who got maced can be found here

Anonymous isnt going to cause bodily harm to any person. they most likely posted this information to get a leg up in the game. this is america, and you cannot go around bullying peaceful protesters! hopefuly this greaseball likes pepperroni!

we are legion
we do not forgive
we do not forget
expect us

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Section31

 

I sure wish I knew what kind of a business it was. i don't need the name. just...what was it?

It doesn't matter what type of business was on the corner. What matters was that their door was being blocked.

Its that simple.

it may not matter legally, but it could explain why that business in particular was either 1) being blocked or 2) participating in the event in a negative way for some ulterior motive

Originally posted by Section31
Local taxpayer (the business) versus transient protestor.

Who do you think will win?

Transient?

How about local based Major global corporation versus citizen taxpayer like you and me.. who's rights mean more?

Cops have zero oversight today.
Kill a man you go to jail.
Unless you are a cop.. then you get vacation ( paid) and a slap ont he wrist, trasnfer, and seald records so another LEO dept will hire you.
Don't act like this doesnt happen every day. It's on every MSM outlet and no one does a damn thing about it.

I don't condone what Anon did.. but hey, if you do the crime.. be prepared to do the time.
actions have consequences.
It's about time people started standing up for their rights.

we do not forgive
we do not forget

reply to post by sincidkid24


you know what that means doncha? we're all screwed if they don't forgive or forget. that's the end of the world, not as we know it, but period.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I didn't take the time to go to Gawker, but it sounds like the info posted by Anonymous is the same info you get when you do a people search: possible addresses and phone numbers, and possible relatives. As long as they did not hack the NYPD database they have done nothing wrong.

I think Anon., for the most part is doing a great service for all nations; trying to keep the crooks (politicians) honest by letting them know that we are watching. I feel the same about Wiki-leaks. There are problems with both organizations but we can't throw the baby out with the bath water. We need them and a thousand more.

NYT Link: Videos Show Police Using Pepper Spray at Protest on the Financial System

“Pepper spray was used once,” he added, “after individuals confronted officers and tried to prevent them from deploying a mesh barrier — something that was edited out or otherwise not captured in the video.”

Enough said.

If you look at the video again, you do the protestors grabbing the barrier. Girl in the gray tank-top was one of them.

Just check again. Some balding guy in a black shirt was also causing problems.

Just checked again. Girl in gray tank top, one of the ones being sprayed, also threw something at a cop. It happens very quickly.

Link to video: Anonymous Leaks Personal Details...

Originally posted by Section31

If you look at the video again, you do the protestors grabbing the barrier. Girl in the gray shirt was one of them.

Just check again. Some balding guy in a black shirt was also causing problems.

edit on 9/27/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Interview of girl in black tanktop
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