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A group of American military officers and Afghan officials had just finished a five-hour meeting with their Pakistani hosts in a village schoolhouse settling a border dispute when they were ambushed — by the Pakistanis.
An American major was killed and three American officers were wounded, along with their Afghan interpreter, in what fresh accounts from the Afghan and American officers who were there reveal was a complex, calculated assault by a nominal ally. The Pakistanis opened fire on the Americans, who returned fire before escaping in a blood-soaked Black Hawk helicopter.
The attack, in Teri Mangal on May 14, 2007, was kept quiet by Washington, which for much of a decade has seemed to play down or ignore signals that Pakistan would pursue its own interests, or even sometimes behave as an enemy.
Pakistan has apparently been secretly lobbying for a defence pact with China though the initiative has been met with caution in Beijing, which feels that such an agreement could put the two 'all-weather' allies in trouble with the USA and India, a media report said today.
Pakistan made overtures to China regarding the defence pact early this year when its relationship with the USA was weakened by several controversies, 'The Express Tribune' quoted unnamed diplomatic and military officials as saying.
However, there is “little hope” for an immediate breakthrough, it said.
A US drone strike on a compound near South Waziristan town of Azam Warsak killed at least two people.
According to Express 24/7 correspondent, Iftikhar Firdous, a drone fired two missiles at a compound in Azam Warsak, near the South Waziristan town of Wana which killed at least two people.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by princeofpeace
The leaders of both countries may have changed since then but the same premise holds true. Yes Pakistan may have a hundred nukes but they cant reach the US.
Yeah but they can nuke US bases in the middle-east and can nuke Europe.
And China-Pakistan is like US-Israel.
So the US REALLY attacks Pakistan and it'll be WW3.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Krono
Naive? This isn't guess work. I have been in the US military since 1999 and I keep up with reports on PLA hardware and equipment.
I'm not real good at sarcasm though, so forgive me if that was your intentions.
Anyway here is a brief look at China's "modern" forces, with a comparison to US forces.
People's Liberation Army Main Battle Tanks:
5,000 Type 59: PLA version of the Soviet T-54/55, 1st gen
200 Type 69/79: Upgraded Type 59s, 1st gen
450 Type 88: Upgraded Type 79, 2nd gen
2,000+ Type 96: (Primary Main Battle Tank), 3rd gen
800 Type 99: Designed after the Gulf War to take on M1 Abrams, 3rd gen
US Main Battle Tanks:
4,796 M1A1 Abrams, they have annihilated Type 59s toType 88s in Iraq and elsewhere, 3rd gen
1,547 M1A2 Abrams, considered one of the top 3 tanks in the world (Challenger 2 and Leopard 2A6 being the other two), 3rd gen
That is 6,343 3rd generation main battle tanks in the US arsenal. The PLA only have 800 tanks that are designed to be able to fight the M1 Abrams. The US would blitz the PLA GF on the battlefield.
People's Liberation Army, Combat Aircraft: (Navy and Air Force combined)
290 Q-5: Based on the Mig-19, 2nd Gen
114 JH-7: Designed to replace the Q-5, compete with the F-111, 3rd gen
220 J-7: Based on the Mig-21, 3rd gen
180 J-8: Designed to compete with the F-105, 3rd gen
69 Su-27(Russian): Designed to compete with the F-15, 4th gen
120 J-11: Based on the Su-27. Designed to compete with F-16s and and F-15s, 4th gen
97 Su-30MKK(Russian): Designed to compete with F-15s, 4th gen
190 J-10: Designed to compete with the Su-27 and Mig-29, 4th gen
US Combat Aircraft:
335 A-10, 3rd gen
1,789 F-16, 4th gen
647 F/A-18 Hornets, 4th gen
391 F/A-18 Super Hornets, 4th gen
734 F-15C/D Eagles, 4th gen
220+ F-15E, 4th gen
173 F-22, 5th gen
We have more F-16s then they have of total combat aircraft. It should be noted that the US has more combat airpower than Russia and China combined, this is intentional in order for the US to have air supremacy in the event we had to fight both nations at the same time.
People's Liberation Army, Strategic Bombers:
110 H-6, Chinese version of the Tu-16, each carries 20,000 lbs of ordnance
US Strategic Bombers:
94 B-52, each carries 70,000 lbs of ordnance
65 B-1B, each can carry 125,000 lbs of ordnance
20 B-2, each can hold 50,000 lbs of ordnance
That combines to almost 16 million lbs. in one sortie. It would take less than 500 sorties to drop the same level of ordnance that allied forces dropped on Europe in World War II from 1939-1945.
I shouldn't even go into the naval aspect since the PLA navy is frankly a complete joke, but for amusement here it is.
PLA Navy Warships:
1 Aircraft Carrier
12 Nuclear Subs
48 Conventional Subs
US Navy Warships:
11 Super Carriers (Note the US is the only nation that uses massive Super Carriers, each with 70 F/A-Hornets.)
10 Amphibious Assault Ships (Similar in size to China's single carrier, each carries thousands of US Marines, amphibious assault vehicles, gunships, etc. )
73 Nuclear Subs
Like I said before this isn't naive. I can go into the number of heavy lift aircraft China has compared to the US and their actual logistic capability. They don't have the capability to project very far beyond their borders. They don't even have the air or sea lift capability to threaten Guam, much less fight a global war against the US.
I have to repeat, the US military is currently designed to fight Russia and China at the same time and win, by maintaining naval and air supremacy, while using overwhelming combined arms tactics on the ground to neutralize their armor and mechanized forces, leaving only a rag tag guerilla force which would only be useful in defending against occupation, which we would not do. Instead we would isolate and blockade them, bombing them into a pre industrial state until we deemed them no longer a threat.
The effort to ensure that diplomacy and calmer heads prevail at a time of fragile relations between Pakistan and the United States is on. However, the effort notwithstanding, Islamabad has made it clear to Washington that, if it comes down to it, Pakistan will be forced to retaliate if American forces attempt to launch a unilateral strike on the country’s tribal belt.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told The Express Tribune that Pasha had informed his counterpart that the Pakistani people will not tolerate any US misadventure and in that case the government will be left with no other option but to retaliate.
“We cannot be caught off guard this time,” the official told lawmakers, referring to the raid that embarrassed the country’s powerful security establishment about its ignorance of the world’s most wanted man’s whereabouts. “This time, we will give them a surprise if they (Americans) dare,” he said.
U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday that Washington is in final review on decision to designate the Haqqani network as a terrorist organization.
"We're in the final, formal review that has to be undertaken to make a government-wide decision to designate the network as a foreign terrorist organization," Clinton told reporters at a joint press conference with visiting Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr.
Originally posted by macman
Didn't Obama express a want/desire to attack Pakistan a year or two ago?