What This Is. What We Are. What's Really Real. What Happens When You Die.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Love is simply the acceptance of and cooperation with what you are, which is the universe. That is the action of love which is always accompanied by the feeling of love. Being that we are all part of a cooperative system, this is the most appropriate response to the environment.

If Love is just a decision - a response to presented circumstance - the how can it be primordial? If it exists as a determinative something, in its own right, then it can't also be a response of the human consciousness to anything that the human consciousness is dealing with. One has capacity to act, the other is the net result of conscious action.

I'm not saying love is primordial. In the beginning stages of the universe when there was no animate life, the universe had no quality.

The identity is driven by fear of death and works to combat this most appropriate action/emotion. But it does so, I think, mainly because it has misidentified itself in opposition to its complete self which is the universe whole.

Identity is what is established by the existent something as it emerges from all that exists around it. Without Identity, it can't be said to exist. Again, this word doesn't really refer to something that has conscious thought. In fact, Identity doesn't physically exist. Identity is a survival expression; one of several survival imperatives that drive existential development. It's not something that's driven by anything.

"Identity is a survival expression". Then it is driven by the need to survive. First, there is the need to survive, then there is the identity.

When the universal self is realized, then the identity can begin restructuring itself in association with its higher universe self. This is the more evolved form of identity. It is one that works naturally in conjunction with its other "external" parts rather than against them.

Have you ever heard of the word "holon"? It refers to the "wholes" that exist within a larger "whole" - like individual cells that collect in-kind to become the corporeal body. These holons possess Identity, and yet contribute to the whole of a larger holon that also possesses Identity; each taking on that added Identity as integral parts of that whole. This does exist as fairly common, and maybe this is what you're referring to here. If what you're suggesting is that Identity itself restructures, then you'll have to offer something that explains how this is at all possible, since Identity itself - as a survival expression - is conceptually resistant to that sort of thing.

There is the one true identity, and then there is the individual sense of identity which is often false. It is the individual identity, or ego, that restructures itself to identify itself with the one true identity. The ego is a false identity.

In other words, the fear-driven survival mechanism is intellectually primitive, and only applies to intellectually primitive environments. The re-structuring of "contextual environment's" group identity marks the beginning of intellectual emergence into the awareness of the true universal self.

You do realize that the contextual environment refers to the sum of all that exists within a shareable reality. That being the case, how does such a sum re-structure itself?

Over a long period of time. Leading by example, that sort of thing. sry, dnt hav tht mny chrctrs left.

What would it be able to eliminate, add, or reconfigure? It's a sum total, with all of it in consistent juxtaposition. Besides, what is the impetus that drives the sum total of what constitutes a quantifiable real to find a way to re-configure itself?

Time, lessons learned, and influence.

It has to be more powerful than the sum whole itself, and it must have its own requirement for such a monumental effort. This suggests something that physically transcends this reality, while being dependent on that reality becoming superseded by something that it intrinsically wasn't.

Consider the contextual environment of this solar system. We are fairly primitive in that we still have an overall false sense of identity. Now consider that there are outside systems that have, through much longer time periods, transcended a false identity and now identify themselves as a group. To have a negative thought towards any other in the group, to them, is to have a negative thought about themselves. Thus, negative thoughts, through intellectual deliberation, become eliminated.

Time is the impetus for such a realization of identity, allowed for simply because such an identity exists.

For this local contextual environment that is planet earth, to realize our true identity, we need time and a critical mass of identity realization.

Originally posted by juveous

What's the lesson for the temporal body? Is there even a lesson? Which "experience" has more worth/value?

If I had to guess, I would say the lesson for the temporal body is to learn to do everything it can to make the world and in turn the universe a better place filled with love and peace. The temporal individual body has the ability to affect the quality of the universal whole.

But if when we die we become love with no memories of the lesson, then is this life lived in vain? If you return to what you "really are", then death should be more valued than life should it not?

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Death probably should be more valued than life, but due to a mistaken sense of identity, it is not that way.

Everything that is not done to contribute to the overall quality of the whole, is done in vain.

Originally posted by juveous

What's the lesson for the temporal body? Is there even a lesson? Which "experience" has more worth/value?

If I had to guess, I would say the lesson for the temporal body is to learn to do everything it can to make the world and in turn the universe a better place filled with love and peace. The temporal individual body has the ability to affect the quality of the universal whole.

But if when we die we become love with no memories of the lesson, then is this life lived in vain? If you return to what you "really are", then death should be more valued than life should it not?

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Death probably should be more valued than life, but due to a mistaken sense of identity, it is not that way.

Everything that is not done to contribute to the overall positive quality of the whole being love, is done in vain.

Originally posted by Bicent76

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Firstly, the only thing that has any quality in this universe is emotion.

Love is the one true emotion. Fear and hate are the absence of love and the non-acceptance of it in your temporal self.

Secondly, we are all one.

We are the universe with brains that function with constructed egos that usually only allow us to perceive individuality, but this individuality is not what we are, it is only what we think we are.

Death of the body is not the death of the eternal self, because the eternal self is the universe, and when your temporal individualistic self ceases to be, your eternal universal self is still alive.

We are the universe where the only thing that counts for anything in us is the quality of our emotion and the quality of emotion we generate in others. The emotion is love. Everything else is repression of that.

When you die, you become the only thing you ever were which was and is love. When you die, you live on as what you really are which is the universe where the only thing that counts as something that truly exists is emotion which is love if not repressed.

Your explaining intellect and intelligence..

A good Idea but to simple to be the truth, or the What this is.... What we are... What's really real... What happens when you die...

You can usually tell when something is true by the fact that it is simple.

Here is a hint thou, to the statements, in the title disguised as a question...

Energy...

Stimuli, whatever you want to call it..

Energy is the ability to do work. Stimuli is stiumli. Stimuli is important. Stimuli is love. All feeling is love. Fear and hate are the lack of feeling. "Cold-heartedness".

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Bicent76

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Firstly, the only thing that has any quality in this universe is emotion.

Love is the one true emotion. Fear and hate are the absence of love and the non-acceptance of it in your temporal self.

Secondly, we are all one.

We are the universe with brains that function with constructed egos that usually only allow us to perceive individuality, but this individuality is not what we are, it is only what we think we are.

Death of the body is not the death of the eternal self, because the eternal self is the universe, and when your temporal individualistic self ceases to be, your eternal universal self is still alive.

We are the universe where the only thing that counts for anything in us is the quality of our emotion and the quality of emotion we generate in others. The emotion is love. Everything else is repression of that.

When you die, you become the only thing you ever were which was and is love. When you die, you live on as what you really are which is the universe where the only thing that counts as something that truly exists is emotion which is love if not repressed.

Your explaining intellect and intelligence..

A good Idea but to simple to be the truth, or the What this is.... What we are... What's really real... What happens when you die...

You can usually tell when something is true by the fact that it is simple.

Here is a hint thou, to the statements, in the title disguised as a question...

Energy...

Stimuli, whatever you want to call it..

Energy is the ability to do work. Stimuli is stiumli. Stimuli is important. Stimuli is love. All feeling is love. Fear and hate are the lack of feeling. "Cold-heartedness".

Sometimes making something more important then it is, makes it hard to see clearly... It maybe important in a singular sense but since it is so important, in what you think, you cease to focus on what it is that is real, and just see the cascades of shapes in a blurry diluted distortion...

Intellectual capability to utilize the sense of touch does not explain the what is, and what we are.. The whole alaborate idealism behind Your meaning of life does not mean it is right. To be quite frank it is similar to other ego's.

What if this reality, this what is, is consciously aware? What if this is a collective of or a singular sentinel, Each star in the Universe has life, and exist, it is producing massive amounts of stimuli or energy one would say, and I would say by its design it wants to do it as long as it can, for even it dies...

As far as stating intelligent life utilizing its senses being the meaning of all of this around us, is not in my opinion the right direction to be looking, we should not be looking inward or down, we should continue to look up...

Either case, I do not think we will be able to comprehend as a whole what this is.. Its to simple..