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Where Are All The ELENIN Conspiracy Theorists Now?

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posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 12:56 AM
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If prophecy worked. Even 5% of the time. Even 2% of the time, then it would have been institutionalized and maintained and explored and examined by every government and every businessman in the world for it's entire history. But it hasn't been. It does return in Fads. Every now and again when people begin to forget or ignore how not useful it really is.

The history of prophecy is it's own proof that it isn't real.




posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Butterbone

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by hotbread
 


Well it WAS only a theory.

Theories are not put forward as facts.


If that were applied as "true", then ATS wouldn't exist. The bubbleheads that keep this place afloat with their insanity would be licking windows someplace else.

ATS is where people who don't understand the idea of "facts", congregate to pat each other on the back, and give each others bucket full of bat-sh*t-crazy, support and succor.



You are standing there minding your own business and a bandwagon goes by......

After you jump on are you going to complain about the bumpy ride?
If you did not jump on the bandwagon - No need to complain because the world did not end as predicted. I know you are not complaining...It's these other people.

I frankly think it is counterproductive and a little disingenuous to try and get "Elenin conspirators" to fess up, apologize, say "Yeah I was wrong"... and if they did could you even find it in this thread???? No. So what is the point? They were wrong. Nobody believed it anyway. Does anyone think a hanging in the town square is going to stop this from happening again...next week? Maybe even tomorrow? That is the nature of conspiracies. If they were true unequivocally - they'd BE FACTS!


Can we get on with life here?

I think gravity is still working but then again...still only a theory - It could go at any moment.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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I absolutely agree with you, and that is actually what I should have posted. That's what I really wanted to say, but it didn't make it out of my head. I guess I focused on the part that annoyed me and not what I was thinking while reading the thread.

And I did it twice. My second post just above yours was intended to go on and state that because prophecy is a known false, there shouldn't really be 13 or so pages dedicated to it.

I still stand by the statement about facts and patting each other on the back though. It's just too prevalent around here.
It's one thing to want to be supportive, but you can't support every crazy thing someone says just because you want someone else to support the crazy thing you said. And that's what so all consuming about these forums.
Too many people willing to prop up someone else in the hope that they get propped up in return.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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I think gravity is still working but then again...still only a theory - It could go at any moment.

Science does not use theory to mean a wild eyed guess. It is a theory, a well established theory.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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And gravity is still a theory of an effect that has no known cause.

And if one doesn't really know what causes the effect, then one doesn't really comprehend the problem.

And if one doesn't comprehend the problem, then the theory is a wild ass guess.

If the theory is a wild ass guess, educated or not, the theory is simply conjecture.

Until someone figures out what causes gravity, the effects are simply miracles that cannot be explained because one can simply say, God causes gravity, and no one can prove otherwise.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Until someone figures out what causes gravity, the effects are simply miracles that cannot be explained because one can simply say, God causes gravity, and no one can prove otherwise.



Gravity is an observed phenomenon. Newton described this phenomenon mathematically, and the equations produce excellent predictions.

On the other hand, what causes electrons? The Electric Universe theory is based on electromagnetism being the primary force in the universe. What causes electrons? What are they made of? Where does magnetism come from? How is it mediated? Particles?

What specific prediction did EU theory make concerning comet C/2010X-1's behavior? Was it accurate?



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Until someone figures out what causes gravity, the effects are simply miracles that cannot be explained because one can simply say, God causes gravity, and no one can prove otherwise.



Gravity is an observed phenomenon. Newton described this phenomenon mathematically, and the equations produce excellent predictions.

On the other hand, what causes electrons? The Electric Universe theory is based on electromagnetism being the primary force in the universe. What causes electrons? What are they made of? Where does magnetism come from? How is it mediated? Particles?

What specific prediction did EU theory make concerning comet C/2010X-1's behavior? Was it accurate?


Comparing gravity to electrons is comparing apples to oranges. Gravity is an effect. An electron is a thing. If you want to make a comparison, compare things that are somewhat similar. We know what causes electromagnetism. We don't know what causes gravity.

EM is caused by the interaction of charged particles. Tell me what causes gravity? Could gravity simply be the effects of polarity similar to what makes a water molecule polar? I don't know. Do you?

The whole Elenin thing was riding on the earthquake correlation. That was the only strong line of evidence. The experiment indicates this correlation was a staggering coincidence so far. It doesn't mean the EU theory is wrong. It means Elenin didn't cause the earthquakes.

Regarding EU, If you have been watching Nasa, you would know that the Aurora Australis is glowing like the atmosphere is on green fire and Nasa says its because the Earth is electromagnetically connected to the sun. What theory does this support?

Regarding Newton. Yes, his work did provide for somewhat accurate predictions, but these predictions do not work well enough to be used to calculate satellite orbits today. GR is used because the results better match the observations. This indicates that Newton's work has limits and that his predictions are no longer valid for modern day use. His equations are obsolete.

And one day, Einstein's equations may be obsolete as well. It's just a matter of time until something better comes along. This is true for all theories even the dirty snow ball.




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posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Here we are! try this it's from today

videonews.antena3.ro...].NASA say is Elenin.If NASA say so we shouldn't contradict.Believe the unbelievable before the end of October the end will come.This is the timingelenin.fr...



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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Here we are! try this it's from today

videonews.antena3.ro...].NASA say is Elenin.If NASA say so we shouldn't contradict.Believe the unbelievable before the end of October the end will come.This is the timingelenin.fr...


You mean like how the three days of darkness came? Oh wait, how about all of the other Elenin prophecies!? Hmmm....? So, what are you talking about? What do you think is going to happen? Please. Enlighten us all.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Then why believe anything? Even if one day EU hypothesis becomes a theory it too will be disproven one day. So why support it? We have to go on with what we have and so far the theories we have make accurate predictions. Could they be wrong? Probably. But why discount them before that's even proven? They serve their purpose and they drive the experiments that allow science to progress.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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,No one no what will really happen I just show you the facts.what it worries me is that NASA is say's it is Elenin.So think the unthinkable.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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,No one no what will really happen I just show you the facts.what it worries me is that NASA is say's it is Elenin.So think the unthinkable.



Did I miss something? You have not shown me any facts. I would be appreciative if you could point out these so called "facts" for me.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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You want facts?Ok try the Argentina meteor that already kill one person,but you will say that was a gas leak from a pizza oven and guys in Hazmat suite well maybe you will say they are Jerry's pizza guys,with now magnetometers,geigers,debitmeters,spectrometers,radiometers and so on!!



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
reply to post by CapnSnazz
You want facts?Ok try the Argentina meteor that already kill one person,but you will say that was a gas leak from a pizza oven and guys in Hazmat suite well maybe you will say they are Jerry's pizza guys,with now magnetometers,geigers,debitmeters,spectrometers,radiometers and so on!!





That is not a fact...What did that event have to do with Elenin? Or the end of October that you mentioned, for the matter.
There has not been any proof brought up yet to whether that was a meteorite or not. Am I mistaken? If so I would be glad to be proven wrong and shown that they have definitive proof of it.

It's possible that it could have been a fireball from space, i've yet to see proof of it. What does this have to do with Elenin though?
edit on 9/30/2011 by CapnSnazz because: spelling

edit on 9/30/2011 by CapnSnazz because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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,The truth,but the truth can be dangerous some time.Like the UARS was on purpose out of it's orbit and crashed to cover something else.Do you know what?well I know ,but won't tell you,you know why?Guess.......



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
Guess.......



Because you have nothing to back up your claims? It will be something completely asinine? You completely made it up? Have I hit the mark yet?

How do you have this special intel that let's you know that it's a cover up for something secret? Why did I not get the memo but you did?

Is it because the Annanuki aren't speaking to me through my special third eye that can receive the radio waves of their hearts?

edit on 9/30/2011 by CapnSnazz because: *it



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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I like you you change your last reply you said to proof the Argentina meteor is from Elenin and now you say to proof that was a meteor.Got you!!




posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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I like you you change your last reply you said to proof the Argentina meteor is from Elenin and now you say to proof that was a meteor.Got you!!



That's not what I did at all. Prove to me that it was a meteorite or something from space, also prove to me that it had anything to do with Elenin.

Quit with the cop outs. Show me proof.



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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I'm still here! Guess we we were wrong, sorry. Hope you didn't worry about Elenin too much, I didn't, even though I thought it had possibilities (and Elenin is not over yet, so it's not technically a done deal yet, so if you need me to, I well come back after 11/11/11 and apologise again for annoying those that can't stand this subject but keep reading it anyway.)

Still watching the skies.

Sunny



posted on Sep, 30 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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,You want't a material proof for the facts.Even if you will have that in your hands, you won't believe'it,just because we are better and faster then you guys,maybe the following days will bring you what you so desperate do not wan't to became public!you will see just patience,please......very please!



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