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Originally posted by The GUT
Ahhh...intellect is a parlor trick compared to wisdom. Wisdom is like spiritual intellect. And those who are wise are always humble.
May I always aspire those same aims.
Nicely presented, brother.
Verily, venerable vessel of vestern visdom.
And you vill find many of the vise vones amongst buddhists, hindus, taoists and pastafarians also.
Do we agree on what "humbleness," or humility, is? I see it as having a true understanding of your position, or worth, in relationship to God and Man. (Please correct me here, my brothers, if needed.) "Live-and-let-live" sounds dangerously close to ignoring everyone else. And I don't understand "cutting-edge-visdom." Truth doesn't change, nor does wisdom.
Only they aren't that keen on 'humbleness', but prefer live-and-let-live instead (including 'gods' etc. in the principle), .....which is what I would call cutting-edge visdom.
And they don't use megaphones to tell about visdom.
"My visdom is bigger than your visdom".....unverily.
[""Live-and-let-live" sounds dangerously close to ignoring everyone else."]
It can be that, or it can be a completely UNconditional offer of 'help'. In either case it's better than 'for your own good'-interference. And as to those not having heard whatever message of ultimate truth available on the truth-market (amongst the thousands of options), I am so optimistic about mankind, that I trust anyone wanting a 'truth' being able to ask for it.
Quote: ["Truth doesn't change, nor does wisdom."]
Who knows? This is not axiomatic. What we do know is, that the human conceptualizations of 'truth' etc. changes constantly. We can have 'local relative realities' with a high degree of certainty for the given context, but not more.
And btw I'm quite enthusiastic about any authentic 'mystic path' myself, and am only moderately schizoid about its inconsistency with rational reasoning. Every context has a corresponding functional perspective.
As with so many other aspects of theism (basically relying much on regressive arguments), there's always an option of regressing the reference-points. In this case the operational words would be " someone's spiritual growth", which in its worst form would be: 'For your own good' and in a more decent form could lead to the question: "What are the optimal premises for spiritual growth?"
Believing like me or giving a child the tools to evaluate and choose, when the time comes where the child can form/formulate personal opinions?
I feel comfortable in my philosophical scepticism without absolutes. For mundane, pragmatic existence I have the relative 'truths' of high probability in the local 'relative reality'. Ultimately gravity may be an illusion, in the meantime it's a daily-life truth it does well to 'believe' in.
Our knowledge, concepts and ability to conceptualize are to small. A very promising approach would be to broaden the range of our intrinsic scope. Enhance our optional intuitive experince of existence, just as e.g. 'mystics' do. If such as: "This which tastes like monday and has a colour outside the common spectrum" is a common experience-base, ot would be a step forward.
(I 'swear', that I once saw a colour not existing in the normal spectrum. Just as bees can see ultraviolet as a colour).
Nahhh, you're just a strong thinker.
Thanks. But for some theists on this forum, I'm the anti-christ's PR manager.
True, but is God the tool for making the unknown known, or is He the unknown Himself? I see mysticism as a (the?) tool for learning about the unknown as reason is a tool for learning about the known. Mysticism lets us learn the taste of Monday, and that brings us closer to God.
The proper 'tool' for the context" necessitates 'tools' for the unknown.
A specific 'god' with specific characteristics, chosen amongst some thousand optional candidates, with some 50.000 structures (religions etc) build around them, supported by circular premises isn't my idea of a good 'tool' for making the unknown into the known.