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The Jonestown Massacre

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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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s and f
thanks for the information here. thats a lot more dirt than what i've seen on documentaries and published books.
i second what irishskeptic states. the dog in picture two is puzzling. i supposed it drank the refreshment as well or licked the bodies after the cyanide had taken its course. still puzzling though.
regards fakedirt.




posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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The fact is that there WAS mind control involved. There WAS manipulation through drug use. But the CIA most likely wasn't involved.

This is not the only time something like this has happened in a cult. Look at the Brach Davidians at Waco. Look at the Heavens Gate Cult in San Diego. Look at the Manson family.

Hell, forget about the cults altogether. Look at hostage victims who develop Stockholm Syndrome. All it takes is for somebody to push the right buttons and they will amass a slew of followers.

Cult members are usually brainwashed in the same ways.
1.People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations;
2.Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;
3.They receive what seems to be unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group;
4.They get a new identity based on the group;
5.They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled.

That is all it takes. Time and pressure. Giving them hallucinagenics like '___' only tend to make it a faster process.

People just seem to jump to the "CIA Did It" response for lack of any actual explaination.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Op. I made this for you:


Took 30 seconds.. I might make a real one. I only have paint on this pc.

edit on 26-9-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: drink up.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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dbl post
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Notice the large tin tub in the image you posted?

The inside bottom and sides are stained a purple blue colour...and what's the betting that those bottles on the table contained a strong acid?

Prussian Blue dye mixed with a strong acid produces the worst and most toxic form of Cyanide, Hydrogen Cyanide and in a thick, gaseous form, death would occur very quickly.

These people were gassed by the looks of it, perhaps the laced drinks and pills were to make sure.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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Not jumping to conclusions when there is a clear and proven connection of JJ to the CIA through following his associate around the world, who was known to be CIA.

It's not jumping to conclusions when there are reports of his neighbours in Brazil claim he was very secretive and highly suspected him of "being a spy".

And as we're all aware, CIA Mind control / drug experimental programmes were particularly notorious during this exact period.

There's many dots here.

Connecting the dots, isn't jumping to conclusions.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Drunkenshrew

According to the former Nebraska State Nebraska John DeCamp, who is featured in Conspiracy of Silence and wrote a book about the Franklin Scandal, his mentor, the former C.I.A.-director William Colby advised him to write a book for his own safety. DeCamp also tells, that Colby wanted to warn the world about the danger of mind control experiments. DeCamp believes, that Colby's boating accident was an assassination (Guns and Butter radio show from December 23, 2009 - length 1hour).
www.kpfa.org...


And like Congressman Ryan and Jonestown, the lead investigator in the Franklin case, Gary Caradori, died under extremely suspicious circumstances when his plane crashed killing him, his son, and what was rumored to be key pieces of recently acquired evidence.

It gets better.



FRANKLIN CONNECTIONS TO SATANIST MICHAEL AQUINO AND JOHNNY GOSCH--Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan in 1966. He wrote "The Satanic Bible" in 1969 (New York: Avon Books). Michael Aquino was one of its leaders. Michael Aquino split from Anton LaVey in 1975 and in the same year, founded his own satanic organization known as the Temple of Set, according to a document of the California "Office of Criminal Justice Planning: Research Update, State of California, Volume 1 (6), Winter, 1989-1990" entitled "Occult Crime: A Law Enforcement Primer". Aquino has written "The Book of Coming Forth by Night"

Noreen Gosch found out that Michael Aquino was involved in the crimes perpetrated against her son, Johnny when Noreen Gosch met with Paul Bonacci in the Nebraska prison in 1991.

Bonacci told Noreen Gosch that 14 days after Johnny was kidnapped, known Satanist Colonel Michael Aquino came to the house outside of Sioux City Iowa, where Johnny had been kept since the kidnapping. Michael Aquino, then a Colonel in the Army, paid several thousand dollars to the kidnappers, took Johnny and left for Colorado with him.

In March of 1998, when Johnny Gosch came to his mother’s home in the middle of the night, he told his mother about his abduction and named Colonel Michael Aquino as a central perpetrator. Aquino was then an officer in the military reputedly in charge of "Operation Mind War" for the U.S. government. "Operation Mind War" was a sub-project of "Project MK-Ultra" which grew out of "Operation Paperclip". "Operation Paperclip" was a covert operation in which large numbers of Nazi scientists were brought to the United States from the Nazi death camps of World War II to learn from their techniques of torture, drugs, hypnosis, mind control, and genetic experimentation for covert operations.

Aquino has claimed to be the son of a Nazi S.S. officer. The "MK-Ultra Mind Control Program" was supposed to be discontinued as a result of a 1977 Congressional hearing and report. However, there is overwhelming evidence that this project and its derivative continue on a wide, international scale at present.



educate-yourself.org...

This may be purely coincidental, but still worth noting.

Aquino broke from LaVey and founded the Temple of Set in San Francisco  in 1975. That same year, Jim Jones moved the People's Temple to none other than San Francisco.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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I worked with a man in the 80's who was part of the U.S. Military squad sent in to recover the bodies. He told me it was the most horrific sence he had ever seen and he had spent time in vietnam. He told me that all the bodies were in fact laying out in the open and that because 8 days had passed before the miliary came in that not only was the stench unbelievable gross, the bodies were so bloated and decayed that it took 4 guys to move one person. As they began moving bodies to a truck to be moved for bodie bag placement, they discovered children under the adults still holding cups in thier hand (which they believed were used to drink Kool-Aid laised with cyianide. To this day I can not forget the things this guy told me and the massive death toll of children whos parents gave them poison. Mothers who's bodies where so bloated that the child underneath was literally squashed and their insides squeezing and oozeing out of their decaying body. He said afterwards, many of the military men that were there left the military with severe psych disorders and that he himself had to get help. He let the military a couple years later; but still had the taste in his mouth and could smell the odor of death everyday.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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This was not mass suicide....it was mass homicide. Those people were murdered.....and TPTB....spun the suicide story...to try and cover their tracks.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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I think it was probably a little of both. Undoubtedly there were people who trusted, people who were tricked, and then people who were forced.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
In your original post you said the people died from drinking cyanide laced kool-aid. I don't see how you can type all of those paragraphs without doing you proper homework. This is a pet peeve of mine. Everybody says "Don't drink the kool-aid."

The people in JonesTown mixed their cyanide with Tang.

If you can miss that one simple fact it makes me wonder what else you've missed


I don't think this is critical to the overall info, but since you brought it up...

By all accounts, the drink consumed was purple. Kool-Aid is the product most popularly and frequently associated with this event, but it was actually a less well known but very similar product called Flavor Aid. Not Tang. Photos shot at the compound in the months leading up to the massacre show packets of Kool-Aid and Flavor-Aid present. The product used specifically for the massacre was Flavor-Aid. Not uncommon for Kool-Aid to be used in a generic sense in reference to a powdered sugary beverage, but in this case, it was Flavor Aid.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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thank you Yeahright


Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
In your original post you said the people died from drinking cyanide laced kool-aid. I don't see how you can type all of those paragraphs without doing you proper homework. This is a pet peeve of mine. Everybody says "Don't drink the kool-aid."

The people in JonesTown mixed their cyanide with Tang.

If you can miss that one simple fact it makes me wonder what else you've missed


I think you may be wrong as well...
it was a knock off of KoolAid .... called FlavorAid


the astronuts drink tang
on the moon
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edit on 9/26/2011 by spoonbender because: because I didn't read the post above mine ....duh!



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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One of the most thought compelling threads on ATS in awhile.

I had no idea there was so much more to this story than originally reported.

OP great job on laying everything out.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Well.. they did have kool aid there, but I thought the saying was more attributed to the Heaven's Gate group.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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This website actually shows the last recording made at Jonestown, on the day of the suicide. He is talking about the suicide and how if they don't kill themselves they will get shot by "them" if the plane lands. And how he never lied to them.

I am literally listening to it as I'm typing this, heres the link

NOTE: feel free to add it to your post! and I'll come back to EDIT my post in case I got anything wrong but check it out.

Also NOTE: This is DISTURBING the kids are legit dying in the audiotape, and I hear a woman saying that they're crying from the taste and not because it hurts. There are a lot of kids screaming in the background. Someone is saying how he would rather have them die like this rather than a different way like "the Jews". Then JJ is saying to them "We're not giving them their lives they lying down their lives." Then he said how to drink it and try to sleep because death is sleep. And how if you don't follow him you will suffer. And how this world isn't our world. I am LISTENING and TYPING this as I hear this.
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Elma WASHINGTON, as in the pacific northwest, so no not the south. But I have no idea who the guy was or what Jim Jones looks like, or if the guy even lived in Elma or anything else. I just know the guy in line looked exactly like the guy on the cover of that magazine.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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IMO you can trace the dots backwards too - look at the TYPES OF TORTURE that we see at Gitmo and Abu Ghirab. The 'approved methods' .....constant music playing all the time, sleep deprivation, threatening with children, sexual humiliation, ect - and listen to the survivors talk about what went on once they got down there.

The people - the 'psychologists' that work for the CIA about these things now - they are probably privy to the research that came out of there. Might be interesting to see their own 'not torture' methods used against them and see what can be found out.
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Classic example of a bunch of hippie type people yearning for a socialist society.

These type of people drink the kool-aid to this very day.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Dan Mitrione connected to Jim Jones definitely takes it into Conspiracyville…and in a real bad part of the neighborhood. Mitrione was a terror and one sick puppy.

That "friendship" puts it all into perspective for me: Shades of MK-ULTRA on Jones and his "Temple" fo' realz.

Congressman Ryan seems to be another example of how real it can get when you try to be a real public servant and hold the CIA accountable. (JFK anyone?)

Kickin' Op.



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