What matters to you politically... No Labels Allowed.

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by illuminatislave

 

Ah. Were you one of these people who were born desperately poor? I like to ask for some background information of the people that believe that the children that are born into poverty should be left to blow in the wind.

I grew up poor my entire life, is $10,000 a year for a family of four rich? I do not claim to have succeeded on my own. I am in college because of a combination of things. 1. A natural inequality of intellect which gave me an advantage over others, 2. a supportive family and 3. a strong will to succeed at all costs.

Technically I am still poor but not that poor because as you can see, I have internet.

Climb to the top my ass. If the game is rigged, there's no such thing as a climb to the top, most people will be lucky to keep their heads above water no matter how hard they try. If you are poor and cannot receive a quality education, or if you do not have the money and resources to pursue a higher education, there is no climb to the top. That stuff about starting off as a damn janitor and rising up to the top of a company to own it is a load of jingoistic, dishonest horse#.

Call it whatever you want, the fact is things like that did happen. The poor can climb up, not all of course, but it can be done. Most who fail only do so because they did not try hard enough. Others fail because they were not meant to succeed; it was something decided before their birth, i.e. low IQ, mental retardation, physical disabilities. I never said you were born into a wealthy family and would succeed, I never said you were born into a poor family and would suffer. Either can occur and it is up to the individual to play the cards with the hand dealt. Win or die trying.

You subscribe to positive liberty whereas I subscribe to negative liberty. Inequality and hierarchy are not bad things, it is perfectly natural.

The days of this idiot mentality are soon coming to an end, because once this economy heads off the cliff we'll see how many people, especially those that have no concept of what it is like to live in poverty, are still singing that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" tune.

I agree it will expose the hypocrites; you cannot do everything by yourself. It requires a strong will and a support system. Those people who proclaim to have made their wealth by themselves are liars or delusional. If no one in the community wanted to buy what they were selling they would be in the poor house.

In my opinion poverty strengthens you as a person, I know it strengthened me. It teaches you to innovate and not feel sorry for yourself.

There will be a lot of hypocrites being exposed, I reckon.

Agreed.

reply to post by jimnuggits


Hmmm…

1: National Defense…first and foremost. (Caveat-If you attack the US, we will thump you and not come over to help you rebuild….not without a unconditional surrender)

2: National infrastructure, but the States must shoulder a burden of the cost…not be federally funded.

3: A fund set aside, untouchable for Natural disasters.

4: SS not touchable, but educate the public as well that this is a benefit to help retirement, not fund it. Millionaires who retire need not apply.

5: Welfare reformed to a limit of 3-5 years tops…after that, you are on your own. And it is a fixed rate…more kids does not mean more money.

6: Eliminate the EPA, HUD, NEA and the Department of Ed. Return those functions to the States if they so choose.

7: Cut funding to DHS by 50%, DoD by 15%. Let private enterprise develop and sell their wares to the government. It would stop over expenditures at the taxpayers’ expense. Come to me with a proven product…not something that looks good on paper.

8: Tax the bejusus out of the companies that have sent jobs overseas. But give them incentives to return home.

9: A Flat or Fair tax across the board….I’m good with either one, though I do favor a flat tax.

10: Energy development. Let’s not forget other cleaner alternatives, but until they are economically feasible…Drill, Baby, Drill!

I have more, but will leave it at my top ten.

ETA: If you elect me President, I promise not to screw you no more than the last guy!

Hey! At least I'm honest.

reply to post by jimnuggits


I made a thread sort of like this a while back, so I'll post some of those things here.

The government should operate within the Constitution.

The wars taxpayers pay billions for every day should end immediately.

People who have millions of dollars collecting dust in a bank and make 500X more than the average American citizen should pay a lot more in taxes.

The Drug War should end.

Pursue clean/free energy and make it available to the public.

Introduce a glasnost-esque policy in which many of the shadowy, top secret elements of our government that 99.99999999999% of people know nothing about yet many are suspicious of are explained, de-classified, and made informationally available to the people who are paying for them.

Close Guantanamo Bay Prison.

Educate people on science so we can have an intelligent society as opposed to a bunch of ignorant creationists.

End the flouridation of water.

Stop cutting down trees and polluting the earth and find cleaner alternatives. The hemp plant has over 25,000 industrial/agricultural uses, that would be a great start.

Find a way to end corruption within the government. Screen political candidates heavily like they used to do in Greek democracies, and if the people don't like the way they're operating, they can have a certain number of votes and oust them.

reply to post by jimnuggits


On a federal level:
Protect us from physical harm within our borders.

On a state level:
Everything else. If Texas wants to act all wild west, let them. If my state wants to live in a socialist utopia (not using it as a label but a literal economic ideology), then let us.

Our nation is faaaar to spread out geographically to make everybody happy from one centralized location. Strangely enough, the EU is failing because they wanted to follow our model and become the United States of Europe. They were doing great until then. We need to decentralize and maybe even redraw some borders.

reply to post by jimnuggits


Why, the Constitution defines it better then I could.

But, the least amount of Govt intrusion as possible.

LEAST!!!

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by jimnuggits

 

I made a thread sort of like this a while back, so I'll post some of those things here.

The government should operate within the Constitution.

The wars taxpayers pay billions for every day should end immediately.

People who have millions of dollars collecting dust in a bank and make 500X more than the average American citizen should pay a lot more in taxes.

The Drug War should end.

Pursue clean/free energy and make it available to the public.

Introduce a glasnost-esque policy in which many of the shadowy, top secret elements of our government that 99.99999999999% of people know nothing about yet many are suspicious of are explained, de-classified, and made informationally available to the people who are paying for them.

Close Guantanamo Bay Prison.

Educate people on science so we can have an intelligent society as opposed to a bunch of ignorant creationists.

End the flouridation of water.

Stop cutting down trees and polluting the earth and find cleaner alternatives. The hemp plant has over 25,000 industrial/agricultural uses, that would be a great start.

Find a way to end corruption within the government. Screen political candidates heavily like they used to do in Greek democracies, and if the people don't like the way they're operating, they can have a certain number of votes and oust them.

edit on 25-9-2011 by TupacShakur because: To edit my post

Sorry, but your fourth line deviates from the document you stated in the second line.

reply to post by illuminatislave


To broad of a brush with your idea that it is impossible to "Climb to the top."

I was born in poverty and a high school drop out as well. But I did get off my keester and work hard and was loyal to the people that employed me and they recognized that. I am now retired, under 50 years and have what I need and save for my wants.

I don't owe anybody who is poorer than me anything. But I do donate to charities.

It's a dog eat dog world, ya know?

reply to post by jimnuggits


are many governed to controll like subs of society?

or are many governed to ensure to genetic spiritual energies ADVANCEMENT of earth inhabitants?

Very simple

what matters to me politically:

getting government the hell out of my life and everyones not being told what to do how to think what they should be thinking

stop sending my tax money to washington who then gives it to people in another state that i will never ever get any benefits from (infrastructure)

strong national defense with the best money can buy not have 900 bases around the world a strong military is a deterrence which provides the saftey and security to every single person and business in this country.

ending the corrupt organization named the federal reserve which controls and defines this nations entire wealth.

ending regulations that strangle business that push jobs over seas

implimenting a fair tax where if you make money doesnt matter rich or poor you pay taxes

ending the or reforming slavery in this country for the people who are on social security,medicare and medicaid

guaranteed lifetimes vow of poverty and if people think paycheck to paycheck is bad now you aint seen nothing til you get on those.

getting big oil and the insurance industries in this country to introduce more proivders so the goods and services will become cheaper and have better quality of service through competetion and open up new means

start a restoration to the constitution ending the tsa,patriot act and merge every single intelligence agency into this country into 1 place pretty much like the pentagon is for the military we need for intel.

privatizing nasa,airlines,post office,amtrak et al and let the private sector do what they always do better than government make money.

off the top of my head my 2 cents

reply to post by neo96


Surely to propose such things leads to you hating the old, being a racist, wanting kids to die and so on.

But, you intrigue me to the whole getting rid of the Patriot Act. But, I thought you loved Bush!! What gives????

reply to post by macman


yeah dude ims just a stupid person as per that other thread

he said no labels so i have to censor

edit i hate the fact that if i open up a platinum prepaid debt card that gets reported to the dhs as per the patriot act

The federal government is a completely failed experiment. It needs to be dissolved and there needs to be a return to the constitutional representation of "We the People". It needs to get out of all the things it has done that aren't given it by the constitution.

It wouldn't hurt it to obey it's own laws. That's something that affects us all. Often when they make a law which should end at a certain time, that law is continued mostly because it becomes a revenue source. In particular the income tax law which was intended to pay for WW1 and then end.

They love to spent our money on their own agendas which seldom benefit us, the people who pay their salaries and really disgusting benefit package. Can any one tell me what these people in the executive and legislative branch do to deserve the in essence "golden parachute package" of benefits. They are supposed to represent us "We the People". All I see is them representing "The Party Line". This shows representation of an agenda that leaves out "We the People". Neither of the parties ever have any intention of representing us. All they want is to stay in power to milk the system for all they can get.

Ok rant over, sorry about that. The slimey feds are something I get a bit passionate about.

I hear alot of free enterprise stuff here, and if we were actually that I could possibly agree.

But we are not that.

Bailouts abound, and have for several generations.

We cannot simultaneously support free markets and help major corporations avoid extinction at the hands of idiots.

On one hand, we want corporations to employ people, on the other, their existence is toxic to our democracy.

A paradox, if ever there was one.

And, as far as natural selection goes, I would say we passed that long ago.

Would you demand a drug addicted, welfare mom with syphillis abort her baby, so we don't have to pay for it?

Congrats, you just killed Beethoven.

If only things were more black and white, we wouldn't need communication.

reply to post by TupacShakur


Hemp!

I cannot say enough how game changing this one plant could be.

Three hundred percent more oxygen than a pine tree of equal size.

Growth rate is one of the fastest in the natural world.

Harvests can happen three times a year.

It actually gives the soil it's planted in nutrients, rather than robbing it.

Plastic, fabric, fuel, paper, a million uses and the list goes on and on.

And for those of you who don't know, hemp is not marijuana.

Smoke a field of hemp and receive nothing but a headache.

But clever PAC's in the thirties managed to equate and criminalize both... Star for you, 'Pac!

I would get rid of the representative part of government. Let the people vote for what they want. Maybe an elected board to OK/Veto and the judicial branch to balance the powers.

Can someone explain to me why some modicum of federal oversight is such an evil thing in some people's mind?

I am all for freedom and liberty, so why shouldn't there be a watchdog to prevent oppression in any of the United States?

Doesn't the Department of Education oversee what is considered a standard of learning that reflects a collective ideal for the benefit of the learners involved?

We have nothing if we have only answers...

Originally posted by jimnuggits
Can someone explain to me why some modicum of federal oversight is such an evil thing in some people's mind?

I am all for freedom and liberty, so why shouldn't there be a watchdog to prevent oppression in any of the United States?

Doesn't the Department of Education oversee what is considered a standard of learning that reflects a collective ideal for the benefit of the learners involved?

We have nothing if we have only answers...

No, not really.
It takes away local control and decisions and places it at the Federal, all knowing all seeing level.
It places the control further from the people. Kind of like layers of an onion. The center is say education. As it moves further from the control locally, more layers are added.

reply to post by macman


But as layers are added, so is perspective.

We add the chance to refine our motive, removing the pall of the singular vision, however noble it may be.

If it is truly worthy of merit, wouldn't you want a system for dissemination?

And a standard by which the learner is best estimated to have retained said golden nugget of wisdom?

I want the government to be separated from the corrosive forces of private money.

I believe of a Government by the people and for the people not a government From corporate greed paid by corporate greed