RIP Australia 1788-2012

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by davethebear
I totally agree with what you said in your opening thread. I lived in Australia for 4 years and returned to the UK in August this year. I found the whole political thing in Australia so doom and gloom and as though there was nothing to look forward to. Even the charisma of the politicians is about as charismatic as a water melon asleep in a drain. They seem to say so much, but in reality what they say actually means nothing at all. All the politicians seem to do is waffle on and try not to give any kind of answer to any kind of question. They basically get paid for doing nothing at all, as for Julia Gillard, what a puppet and the most boring monotone voiced person who should not even be Prime Minister.

I know that the world is in crisis at the moment and the UK is not the happiest of places at the moment, but I am so glad to have left the shores of Oz. The smile has returned to my face and I never want to return to the shores of Oz again....

All the best to you........

Yes and we're always glad to see the back of a whinging pom such as yourself. not unlike the one million ten pound poms who moved here after the war and out of that one million poms who came here 100, 000 went home to crapy old England and out of that 100,000 poms who went home to crapy old england 50,000 came back to Australia because we were better fed healthier and wealthier..

Sucks to be you. Pom

Bit of a knob really aren't you mate?

Yep you're a pure pom. You can have a go but you don't like it when it comes back.

Don't call me mate as you're not one of mine.

Sucks to be you. Enjoy old dirty sooky England.

So, you must be an Aborigine, surely you must, if not then face it, you're as Australian as the guy you are slagging off. Get over yourself and lose the complex.

reply to post by something wicked


Your post makes no sense, Australia is its own country with its own people with a unique identity and accent. So you are saying we are exactly like the British?
You must be an American, at least in Australia the Aborigines are treated well. So by your logic then America is no different to Britain either since you lot comitted the largest genocide in history.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by davethebear
I totally agree with what you said in your opening thread. I lived in Australia for 4 years and returned to the UK in August this year. I found the whole political thing in Australia so doom and gloom and as though there was nothing to look forward to. Even the charisma of the politicians is about as charismatic as a water melon asleep in a drain. They seem to say so much, but in reality what they say actually means nothing at all. All the politicians seem to do is waffle on and try not to give any kind of answer to any kind of question. They basically get paid for doing nothing at all, as for Julia Gillard, what a puppet and the most boring monotone voiced person who should not even be Prime Minister.

I know that the world is in crisis at the moment and the UK is not the happiest of places at the moment, but I am so glad to have left the shores of Oz. The smile has returned to my face and I never want to return to the shores of Oz again....

All the best to you........

Yes and we're always glad to see the back of a whinging pom such as yourself. not unlike the one million ten pound poms who moved here after the war and out of that one million poms who came here 100, 000 went home to crapy old England and out of that 100,000 poms who went home to crapy old england 50,000 came back to Australia because we were better fed healthier and wealthier..

Sucks to be you. Pom

Bit of a knob really aren't you mate?

Yep you're a pure pom. You can have a go but you don't like it when it comes back.

Don't call me mate as you're not one of mine.

Sucks to be you. Enjoy old dirty sooky England.

So, you must be an Aborigine, surely you must, if not then face it, you're as Australian as the guy you are slagging off. Get over yourself and lose the complex.

Oh how lame you are. I bet you have no friends, you're losing your hair and you live with your mum and run up her power bills being awake all night and playing online games and checking out porn because you've never seen a naked female body in real life. also I bet you're a pom because you obviously chose to ignore that he had a go at my country for no reason. I will not even respond to your uneducated ignorent lame posts after this one Mr single still lives with mum troll.

Originally posted by something wicked
reply to post by SpeachM1litant

 

Hi, you posted that you don't vote for your PM, only for the political party - are you under the impression this is unique to Australia? In the UK the general public votes for the political party it wants to win the election. Party members vote for who is the leader of their party and if that party wins, the leader is the PM. I thought the USA was the same - in the primaries the party members vote for who they want to be their leader and then in the election the populice votes on the party.

Not sure that is really undemocratic as such.

In Australia the leader of the party is already established before we vote for the party we want in power. This PM we have now wasn't voted in and she ousted the leader of her party who was which caused a re alection and then again it was a hung parliment so her and her party weren't voted in again but she maintained control through political manipulation. We don't vote for the party as much as we do for the person..

Originally posted by AussiePatriot
reply to post by something wicked

 

Your post makes no sense, Australia is its own country with its own people with a unique identity and accent. So you are saying we are exactly like the British?
You must be an American, at least in Australia the Aborigines are treated well. So by your logic then America is no different to Britain either since you lot comitted the largest genocide in history.

Take no notice he's just trolling like his pommy friend. Or they both have a bad case of envy. Either way they've tried to get it off post. I guess they just couldn't handle a healthy well presented thread. Or it might just suck to be them.

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by davethebear
I totally agree with what you said in your opening thread. I lived in Australia for 4 years and returned to the UK in August this year. I found the whole political thing in Australia so doom and gloom and as though there was nothing to look forward to. Even the charisma of the politicians is about as charismatic as a water melon asleep in a drain. They seem to say so much, but in reality what they say actually means nothing at all. All the politicians seem to do is waffle on and try not to give any kind of answer to any kind of question. They basically get paid for doing nothing at all, as for Julia Gillard, what a puppet and the most boring monotone voiced person who should not even be Prime Minister.

I know that the world is in crisis at the moment and the UK is not the happiest of places at the moment, but I am so glad to have left the shores of Oz. The smile has returned to my face and I never want to return to the shores of Oz again....

All the best to you........

Yes and we're always glad to see the back of a whinging pom such as yourself. not unlike the one million ten pound poms who moved here after the war and out of that one million poms who came here 100, 000 went home to crapy old England and out of that 100,000 poms who went home to crapy old england 50,000 came back to Australia because we were better fed healthier and wealthier..

Sucks to be you. Pom

Bit of a knob really aren't you mate?

Yep you're a pure pom. You can have a go but you don't like it when it comes back.

Don't call me mate as you're not one of mine.

Sucks to be you. Enjoy old dirty sooky England.

So, you must be an Aborigine, surely you must, if not then face it, you're as Australian as the guy you are slagging off. Get over yourself and lose the complex.

Oh how lame you are. I bet you have no friends, you're losing your hair and you live with your mum and run up her power bills being awake all night and playing online games and checking out porn because you've never seen a naked female body in real life. also I bet you're a pom because you obviously chose to ignore that he had a go at my country for no reason. I will not even respond to your uneducated ignorent lame posts after this one Mr single still lives with mum troll.

ROFL!!!!! Funny! Well, I guess your response tells its own story, I won't respond in kind as that would be, well, childish. So in order of your assumptions, they are all wrong with the exception that I am based in the UK. What you did there was the typical ad hominem that is so typical on ATS.

I have absolutely no intention to disrespect Australia or its people, I was simply commenting on your rudeness. Of course I shouldn't have bothered as there really is little point, as your reply shows. I'll put it down to the time of posting for you and leave it at that.

Let's look again at that complex thing again - are you just that rude by nature?

Anyway, Australian downfall is the subject, you trolled a poster who gave their view on that, I foolishly responded when I should have known better - apologies everyone.

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by something wicked
reply to post by SpeachM1litant

 

Hi, you posted that you don't vote for your PM, only for the political party - are you under the impression this is unique to Australia? In the UK the general public votes for the political party it wants to win the election. Party members vote for who is the leader of their party and if that party wins, the leader is the PM. I thought the USA was the same - in the primaries the party members vote for who they want to be their leader and then in the election the populice votes on the party.

Not sure that is really undemocratic as such.

In Australia the leader of the party is already established before we vote for the party we want in power. This PM we have now wasn't voted in and she ousted the leader of her party who was which caused a re alection and then again it was a hung parliment so her and her party weren't voted in again but she maintained control through political manipulation. We don't vote for the party as much as we do for the person..

Ah, you can respond intelligently an maturely when you try. So, if the party leadership changes mid term, does that trigger a new election? Honest question as I'm interested.

Edit to add: I thought the last election was triggered by a no confidence vote hence the coalition that came about rather than purley through a change in leadership

Originally posted by AussiePatriot
reply to post by something wicked

 

Your post makes no sense, Australia is its own country with its own people with a unique identity and accent. So you are saying we are exactly like the British?
You must be an American, at least in Australia the Aborigines are treated well. So by your logic then America is no different to Britain either since you lot comitted the largest genocide in history.

No, I'm British by birth, can't seem to recall that largest genocide in history, I would kind of laid that at the head of the Khmer Rouge or Stalin. The point I was making was not meant to be anti Australian, not by a long shot but was referring to an anti British rant as though the posters bloodline was 100% Australian born. As to the point about how well Aborgines are treated (even though that statement in itself is a strange one, Aborgines are members of the same human race, why should they be treated any different?), that wasn't the point. It was more around the poster was keen on calling another poster a whingeing pom when bloodline wise, they aren't that far apart.

Anyhow, not really important, all kind of detracts from the purpose of the thread and I shouldn't have allowed insulting comments by another poster to have made me feel a need to respond..

The central banking system is designed to produce economic bondage and debt is their tool of choice. If you look at the formation of central banks then look at how their debt becomes the country's debt as the banksters sell their financial wmd to the countrys government.

reply to post by AussiePatriot

"Australia is its own country" who says .... not the Queen of England who still thinks Austrialia is nothing more than a colony.

reply to post by Aristophrenia


Are these actual facts or something you are told to believe in as one does with any religion . ??/ just curious .

We know policians are born liars , a wonderfull quality I must say . Something to be admired, is it really ?

So are you telling real truths or lying ?

Just curious

Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by Aristophrenia

 

We know policians are born liars , a wonderfull quality I must say . Something to be admired, is it really ?

After the lies the Gillard has told I don't know how she could look in the mirror or sleep at night, let alone stand i front of a crowd of people with a straight face. She should be ashamed of herself but she just stands there with that puppet like Botox grin of hers. She has to be a psychopath not to feel things like the rest of us. I feel the lot of them are.

Anybody see the absolute glee in Gillards face when she was addressing the nation re the floods? She couldn't hide her excitement. 'Oh boy, how i can use this, its wonderful', look on her face whilst many peoples lives where being destroyed.

reply to post by AussiePatriot


OK what do you suggest the government do with the resources. They do not have the capabilities to mine them and sell them. They lease them to mining companies in order to do so. If we were leaving them there lying idle you would be complayning about that. We would be in the same position if not worse were it not for our resource exports.

Please the mining giants wont pack up shop and leave. That is simply rhetoric designed to scare us in order to make it more profitable for them and to get less out of the deal for us (i.e. more tax revenue and free ports/infastructure). They are making billions and will continue to do so. No one is packing up shop.

Third, about the carbon tax- If the government was serious about the environment then they would subsidise clean energy technology and give bonuses to companies that went green. A tax like this is not necessary when all the power companies will do is pass the higher cost onto the consumer.

Sounds like a good idea. No wonder the government subsidises solar and wind energy.

From 2008-2009 we cut immigration 14%. Around 150,000 come, not 200,000. Of these around 130,000 are skilled migrants many being settled in rural areas where they are needed as labour. We need the skills in order to continue to propser as levels of natively born Australians especially with the required skills are lacking. Cut immigration and we wont have a sufficient labour force nor will we have enough younger people to support the ageing population.

You complain about the agein population (which somehow you blame this government for- I guess you think they should be enforcing mandatory ethuenasia) then you complain when we increase the proportion of skilled migrants in the labour force (i.e from 15-65 years old, largely in the lower employable tiers). I have the feeling that whatever the government does is wrong to you.

Yes I agree the Carbon Tax requires amendments on a massive scale and it needs to be initiated in a more timely period. I agree this government is the laughing stock of the country and many of their policies are a joke. Yet my criticism are well founded yours are simply liberal rhetoic.

Also I never said it was the governments fault for the Queensland floods even though they decided to build homes on flood plains, and somehow forgot to warn people of the inland tsunami.

Sweet, that is a state not a federal decision.

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
reply to post by AussiePatriot

 

"Australia is its own country" who says .... not the Queen of England who still thinks Austrialia is nothing more than a colony.

Australia is an indipendant country within the commonwealth any kindagarden kid could explain that to you. Brits need a visa to come here because Brits are foreigners. Mind you Americans and Canadians don't. All Canadians need is their passport which I think gives them 6 months here as we only need our passport for Canada, well that's all we needed last time I went there. And Americans use a Visa waver like we do when we go to the U.S. See it's only England that needs a Visa to come here but that would be because the majority of English speaking illigal immigrants in Aus come from England. That says alot about England doesn't it. You sound like you're trying to say that this great country belongs to England. That's pretty desperate of you. I feel for you.

I understand that a politician lies as soon as they open their mouths, but God Damn!

Really, REALLY not looking forward for voting again.

Which stupid evil do i want doing nothing for the next 4 years!

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by AussiePatriot

 

OK what do you suggest the government do with the resources. They do not have the capabilities to mine them and sell them. They lease them to mining companies in order to do so. If we were leaving them there lying idle you would be complayning about that. We would be in the same position if not worse were it not for our resource exports.

Please the mining giants wont pack up shop and leave. That is simply rhetoric designed to scare us in order to make it more profitable for them and to get less out of the deal for us (i.e. more tax revenue and free ports/infastructure). They are making billions and will continue to do so. No one is packing up shop.

Third, about the carbon tax- If the government was serious about the environment then they would subsidise clean energy technology and give bonuses to companies that went green. A tax like this is not necessary when all the power companies will do is pass the higher cost onto the consumer.

Sounds like a good idea. No wonder the government subsidises solar and wind energy.

From 2008-2009 we cut immigration 14%. Around 150,000 come, not 200,000. Of these around 130,000 are skilled migrants many being settled in rural areas where they are needed as labour. We need the skills in order to continue to propser as levels of natively born Australians especially with the required skills are lacking. Cut immigration and we wont have a sufficient labour force nor will we have enough younger people to support the ageing population.

You complain about the agein population (which somehow you blame this government for- I guess you think they should be enforcing mandatory ethuenasia) then you complain when we increase the proportion of skilled migrants in the labour force (i.e from 15-65 years old, largely in the lower employable tiers). I have the feeling that whatever the government does is wrong to you.

Yes I agree the Carbon Tax requires amendments on a massive scale and it needs to be initiated in a more timely period. I agree this government is the laughing stock of the country and many of their policies are a joke. Yet my criticism are well founded yours are simply liberal rhetoic.

Also I never said it was the governments fault for the Queensland floods even though they decided to build homes on flood plains, and somehow forgot to warn people of the inland tsunami.

Sweet, that is a state not a federal decision.

Labor does have a history of selling off public assets and their are Autralian minning companies who lost out in the tenders. keep in mind that the carbon tax won't affect foreign companies and Gillard said that herself so she's slugging it to Aus right there. Labor historicaly can't balance a budget and this tool treasurer we have who got his award only got it because he happened to be sitting on the Stratagies and resources put in place by the libs but now that has all run out and labor said only two days ago that it will take longer than expected to get back into surplus and that is because now it is up to labor because the goodies left by the libs have all gone.

And on top of all this more and more they're putting in place regulations to control the public. It's just a bad government and they don't think they should be answerable to anyone. This could be seen when the entire labor party walked out of Q&A time because they didn't like the logical fair and answerable questions being put to them by the coalition. Who the hell walks out of Q&A? A party who believes they don't have to answer to the people that's who.

It's been a shady disfunctional government from the start with it's infighting and back stabbing of each other and I believe that there is no one at the helm right now because they're brawling on the bridge.

Originally posted by JamesGC
I understand that a politician lies as soon as they open their mouths, but God Damn!

Really, REALLY not looking forward for voting again.

Which stupid evil do i want doing nothing for the next 4 years!

Here she is, who would want this job. The need for power must be alot greater than the need to look like a human being in front of the entire country.

Totally psychopathic!

Did you hear the Rudd slip up today?

www.abc.net.au...

Ha, knowing him, it was very deliberate!

Originally posted by JamesGC
Did you hear the Rudd slip up today?

www.abc.net.au...

Ha, knowing him, it was very deliberate!

Haha yep.It was funny. I bet he's rubbing his hands together more than Gillard was when she back stabbed him.

I don't like Rudd either and I didn't vote for him but he was elected and therefor he was our PM. If he comes back he deserves to bask in his revenge.

I won't lie, i was very excited when Gillard took over. I saw her as someone of interllect. How frigging wrong i was.

In my opinion, when she opens her mouth and talk, she makes othe pollies look half decent!