Muslim nations demand Israel open its nuke program to IAEA viewing

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

That's a very extreme example. Eating raw deer brains is very uncommon and I can't think of anybody I know who would be willing to do so.

Of course it was an extreme example, but it was the same principle. Subtleties get lost in the shuffle here at ATS sometime, so I strive not to be subtle. It seems to have worked this time. The subtleties that got lost there are that both are potentially suicidal actions. Eating raw brains of any kind can lead to certain prion-induced illnesses that are permanent, irreversible, and fatal, much like giving up one's defense in the face of being surrounded by enemies.

On the other hand almost everybody I know does not want the world to end in a nuclear war.

Oh, I see. and all this time I thought the subject was Israeli refusal to sign the NPT, and that they should be forced to do so. I missed the part where there was a world-ending nuclear war, as if that were even possible.

If eating raw deer brains had the same implications as getting rid of nuclear warheads then I would be all for it.

Suicide is suicide. I'll pick my own method, you pick yours, and let Israel pick it's own for itself.

Bad example is bad and makes you look bad.

Uh, yeah. "Looking bad" has never bothered me much.

Why would somebody want to own nuclear weapons other then to have the ability to use them? Nobody should ever use nuclear weapons if they want life to persist. If nobody plans on using nuclear weapons then they shouldn't own nuclear weapons. What if every nation with nuclear weapons only possesses them because of M.A.D.?

Say what? Are you under the impression that nukes could somehow magically destroy all life on Earth, or are you insinuating that a nation should submit to murder as a nation at the hands of it's enemies, thus sparing their lives at the expense of it's own?

Are you saying that all life is equal, but some lives are more equal than others?

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by BRAVO949

 

I am so tired of seeing your caps-attack headlines on every one of your posts.

Give it a rest. It's bad enough that you make such broad sweeping assumptions based on nothing or some tripe fundamental Muslim propaganda videos, which is even worse, that you have to title everything like we all need glasses.

It is offensive and irritating.

Engage in discussion with your own thoughts and on topic please.

Skellon.

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Israeli nuclear expert speaking about Israel's

APARTHEID WALL.

# Israel

Originally posted by Propulsion
Iran has openly admitted that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. And people want Iran to have nukes as well? Some people have no idea as to how much Israel is hated in the Middle East? And it's not because of border disputes, it because of the Jews. There is a deep seeded hate for the Jews by the muslums. They have openly admitted that they will never be at peace until every last Jew (monkey) is eliminated. People need to check out the videos on YouTube about what is being taught to Muslim children. It is sick...!

Not that crap again...
Israeli propaganda doesn't work here, move along.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Ofcourse it is religious. It has been religious from the very beginning app. 4,000 years ago, the whole deal between Isaac and Ishmael, the sons of Abraham fighting over the birthright to who gets to own the dirt Israel is sitting on. Underneath it all, this is exactly what it is about and if you were worth your weight in salt you would know that.

Where in the bible does it teach that Isaac and Ishmael were fighting over birthright to the land?
Please show me the verse.

You will find that the bible teaches that Ishmael and Isaac never fought each other over "birthright" to the land. ...and that it was only Sarah who had a problem with Ishmael sharing in Isaacs inheritance... not even Abraham had a problem with Ishmael. All we know about Ishmael is that he settled in the desert of Paran and later reunited with Isaac for the burial of their father Abraham when he passed away. There is no account of a rivalry between Isaac and Ishmael, over the land, as you claim.

The reason for the conflict over Israels aggression in the middle east and their taking over of a land that somebody else had been living on for several generations.

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
Ok Iran First.

It is only fair if the Muslim countries are serious then let them be the first to submit to inspection.

Israel is in possession of nuclear weapons longer than Iran. i would say Israel first.

By the way Iran has just offered to import enriched Uranium, so they don't have to do it by themselves. Lets see how the West and Israel are reacting to that offer.

Originally posted by Propulsion
Iran has openly admitted that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. And people want Iran to have nukes as well? Some people have no idea as to how much Israel is hated in the Middle East? And it's not because of border disputes, it because of the Jews. There is a deep seeded hate for the Jews by the muslums. They have openly admitted that they will never be at peace until every last Jew (monkey) is eliminated. People need to check out the videos on YouTube about what is being taught to Muslim children. It is sick...!

Zionist lies and propaganda. Proven Fact.

Wasn't it Zionists who call all Non-Jews Goyim? Wasn't it Zionists who are claiming that Jews are the superior race?

Originally posted by ALF88

Originally posted by Propulsion
Iran has openly admitted that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. And people want Iran to have nukes as well? Some people have no idea as to how much Israel is hated in the Middle East? And it's not because of border disputes, it because of the Jews. There is a deep seeded hate for the Jews by the muslums. They have openly admitted that they will never be at peace until every last Jew (monkey) is eliminated. People need to check out the videos on YouTube about what is being taught to Muslim children. It is sick...!

Zionist lies and propaganda. Proven Fact.

Wasn't it Zionists who call all Non-Jews Goyim? Wasn't it Zionists who are claiming that Jews are the superior race?

Does it matter. Is it not Muslims that call all non-Muslims 'kaffir'.
Muslims may have learnt that from Jews.

Zionists lied about nuclear program...

Israel told the world it was not developing nuclear weapons and lied to its "ally" the US.

reply to post by BRAVO949


Like any other subject what one reads into a narrow you-tube propaganda hit piece is maybe what one desires to hear anyway.

History of Israeli Nuclear Program

Negotiation The French justified their decision to provide Israel a nuclear reactor by claiming it was not without precedent. In September 1955 Canada publicly announced that it would help the Indian government build a heavy-water research reactor, the CIRUS, for "peaceful purposes".[18] When Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, France proposed Israel attack Egypt and invade the Sinai as a pretext for France and Britain to invade Egypt posing as "peacekeepers" with the true intent of seizing the Suez Canal (see Suez Crisis). In exchange, France would provide the nuclear reactor as the basis for the Israeli nuclear weapons program. Shimon Peres, sensing the opportunity on the nuclear reactor, accepted. On 17 September 1956, Peres and Bergmann reached a tentative agreement in Paris for the CEA to sell Israel a small research reactor. This was reaffirmed by Peres at the Protocol of Sèvres conference in late October for the sale of a reactor to be built near Dimona and for a supply of uranium fuel.[19] After the Suez Crisis led to the threat of Soviet intervention and the British and French were being forced to withdraw under pressure from the US, Ben-Gurion sent Peres and Golda Meir to France. During their discussions the groundwork was laid for France to build a larger nuclear reactor and chemical reprocessing plant, and French Prime Minister Guy Mollet, ashamed at having abandoned his commitment to fellow socialists in Israel, supposedly told an aide, "I owe the bomb to them."[20]

So......The French gave them the means,

British aid Top secret British documents[27][28] obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6 which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs.[29] The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor.[30] The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[31] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[32] Israel admits running the Dimona reactor with Norway's heavy water since 1963. French engineers who helped build Dimona say the Israelis were expert operators, so only a relatively small portion of the water were lost during the years past since the first operation of the reactor.[33]

The Brits helped them along,

By 1969, U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon that year.[42][43] Later that year, U.S. President Richard Nixon in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir pressed Israel to "make no visible introduction of nuclear weapons or undertake a nuclear test program", so maintaining a policy of nuclear ambiguity.[44] Before the Yom Kippur War Peres nonetheless wanted Israel to publicly demonstrate its nuclear capability to discourage an Arab attack, and fear of Israeli nuclear weapons may have discouraged Arab military strategy during the war from being as aggressive as it could have been.[14]

The US asked for ambiguity,

The Israeli nuclear program was first revealed publicly on 13 December 1960 in a small Time article,[60] which said that a non-Communist non-NATO country had made an "atomic development." On December 16, the Daily Express revealed this country to be Israel, and on December 18, US Atomic Energy Commission chairman John McCone appeared on Meet the Press to officially confirm the Israeli construction of a nuclear reactor and announce his resignation.[61] The following day The New York Times, with the help of McCone, revealed that France was assisting Israel.[62]

And its been no secret that Israel had a development program since 1960


If one said the west helped Israel become a nuclear power I would fully agree, claiming they did it in a vacuum I cannot agree.

reply to post by Phoenix


By your post above are you implying the claim that

Zionists are lying bastards

is not accurate and that Israel did not lie to the US about its nuclear program and that Israel did not steal nuclear material from the US and that Jewish organized crime figures in the US did not help Israel steal nuclear material and nuclear technology from the US?

Or are you saying that the

ZIONIST BASTARDS

worked hand in hand or pitch fork in hand with the French bastards to hide their nuclear weapons program by claiming in a typical Zionist lie that the plant at Dimona was a textile factory?

Originally posted by BRAVO949
reply to post by Phoenix

 

By your post above are you implying the claim that

Zionists are lying bastards

is not accurate and that Israel did not lie to the US about its nuclear program and that Israel did not steal nuclear material from the US and that Jewish organized crime figures in the US did not help Israel steal nuclear material and nuclear technology from the US?

Or are you saying that the

ZIONIST BASTARDS

worked hand in hand or pitch fork in hand with the French bastards to hide their nuclear weapons program by claiming in a typical Zionist lie that the plant at Dimona was a textile factory?

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Not making either claim as you will not find words as such in my post - I am claiming Israel had knowing help and thing did not progress in a vacuum of complete subterfuge as you claim.

Originally posted by Phoenix

Originally posted by BRAVO949
reply to post by Phoenix

 

By your post above are you implying the claim that

Zionists are lying bastards

is not accurate and that Israel did not lie to the US about its nuclear program and that Israel did not steal nuclear material from the US and that Jewish organized crime figures in the US did not help Israel steal nuclear material and nuclear technology from the US?

Or are you saying that the

ZIONIST BASTARDS

worked hand in hand or pitch fork in hand with the French bastards to hide their nuclear weapons program by claiming in a typical Zionist lie that the plant at Dimona was a textile factory?

edit on 26-9-2011 by BRAVO949 because: (no reason given)

edit on 26-9-2011 by BRAVO949 because: (no reason given)

Not making either claim as you will not find words as such in my post - I am claiming Israel had knowing help and thing did not progress in a vacuum of complete subterfuge as you claim.

So you agree that

Zionists are bastards

but not with the fact they are liars, right?

How about the Zionist stealing of American nuclear material and the Zionist stealing of American nuclear weapons material?

Do you also agree with the experts that Zionist bastards stole American nuclear technology?

reply to post by BRAVO949


First off I don't agree with derogatory group terms nor do I agree with name calling you are using.

Book Review

But there is more. Cohen’s reference for the 1968 CIA conclusion about Israeli bombs is 1976 “testimony” of CIA Deputy Director Carl Duckett before the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission.3 The reason Duckett briefed a small group of commissioners (of whom I was one) and several senior NRC staff was not to tell us Israel had the bomb. It was rather to deal with rumors about a deeper secret in the CIA reports, one that had an even bigger potential for political disaster, and one that I believe was the real reason for the hyper-secrecy. What Duckett confirmed, to everyone’s astonishment, was that the CIA believed that the nuclear explosives in Israel’s first several bombs, about one hundred kilograms of bomb-grade uranium in all, came from material that was missing at a US naval nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC), in Apollo, Pennsylvania.4 NUMEC had exceptionally close and suspicious ties to Israel. The firm’s sloppy material accounting could have masked the removal of the bomb-grade uranium. After numerous investigations and reinvestigations the facts remain unclear.

Previously provided Wiki link

The CIA believed that Israel's first bombs may have been made with highly enriched uranium stolen in the mid-1960s from the US Navy nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, where sloppy material accounting would have masked the theft.

Sorry but the name calling and demagoguery don't work for me,

I would theoretically agree on a cold war conspiracy to arm Israel with nuclear weapons by western nations as a solid counter to Soviet expansionism in the region - to wit at one time or another every enemy of Israel was provided extensive Soviet backing.

The western nations doctrine was containment.

All manner of labels could be attached to those involved on all sides but as I see it the only "Boogyman" was cold war chessboard pieces being moved about. At the time nobody cared what sub group you belonged to it was "you're either with me - or you are not"

If and that's a big if (citations above are ambiguous at best) then I would have to say the so-called theft was sanctioned.

Originally posted by BRAVO949
reply to post by Phoenix

 

By your post above are you implying the claim that

Zionists are lying bastards

is not accurate and that Israel did not lie to the US about its nuclear program and that Israel did not steal nuclear material from the US and that Jewish organized crime figures in the US did not help Israel steal nuclear material and nuclear technology from the US?

Or are you saying that the

ZIONIST BASTARDS

worked hand in hand or pitch fork in hand with the French bastards to hide their nuclear weapons program by claiming in a typical Zionist lie that the plant at Dimona was a textile factory?

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edit on 26-9-2011 by BRAVO949 because: (no reason given)

Best post ever

reply to post by Phoenix


But the

Zionist bastards

would have never been able to steal the land of Palestine and create the

criminal enterprise we call Israel

without the aid of the Communists in the USA, the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia and France.

Each set of Communists played a role not only in the creation of the

bastard state of Israel

and the USA, USSR, the UK and France helped the Zionist bastards develop nuclear weapons.

Of course we also have the aid of American Jewish organized crime including the godfather of American organized crime Meyer Lansky.

I am not quite sure of your intent in forcing me to reveal just how dishonest the Zionists were in developing nuclear weapons but I am sure neutral readers will appreciate the fact that you are helping to expose Zionists as the sneaky bastards they are.

I use the word "bastard" to describe Zionists because the entity you call Israle is illegitimate offspring of the Communist rape of Palestine which you have more or less proven here with all of your excellent quotes and I thank you for that.

Maybe you can do some more research and tell everyone about Permindex, Louis Bloomfield, the Bronfman family and how they relate to the theft of American nuclear material and technology that contributed to the Zionist hell bomb.

reply to post by BRAVO949


I don't know when I've seen more vitriol coming from a single set of lips than that which you are spewing forth.

"Zionist"?

Is that YOU, David Duke?

Whoever you are, you training isn't very good, or your handlers aren't watching closely enough - the pitiful attempts at mind control are glaring out.

Cover yourself, the kids might see!

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by BRAVO949

 

I don't know when I've seen more vitriol coming from a single set of lips than that which you are spewing forth.

"Zionist"?

Is that YOU, David Duke?

Whoever you are, you training isn't very good, or your handlers aren't watching closely enough - the pitiful attempts at mind control are glaring out.

Cover yourself, the kids might see!

I don't type with my lips, anymore but your comment did make me laugh and I am taking it as a compliment.

You know - my training tells me that vitriol is not that bad and I don't care if people call me names.

What does bother me is an entity like Israel that holds to its heart a fraudulent ideology of hate for all others, that was built on theft and is perpetuated by lies.

The actual Zionist torture, rape and murder of Muslim and Christian children and tha Zionist threat of nuclear destruction of all the non-Jews in the world makes the use of headlined

Zionist Bastards

seem rather minor - doesn't it?

Originally posted by Propulsion
Iran has openly admitted that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. And people want Iran to have nukes as well? Some people have no idea as to how much Israel is hated in the Middle East? And it's not because of border disputes, it because of the Jews. There is a deep seeded hate for the Jews by the muslums. They have openly admitted that they will never be at peace until every last Jew (monkey) is eliminated. People need to check out the videos on YouTube about what is being taught to Muslim children. It is sick...!

Listen, i live in London, Jews and Muslims get along just fine. Stop spewing out your bull# propaganda. It's not the Jews that Muslims dont like, its the Zionists. And they have every right to dislike the Zionists.

Originally posted by BRAVO949

I don't type with my lips, anymore but your comment did make me laugh and I am taking it as a compliment.

You know - my training tells me that vitriol is not that bad and I don't care if people call me names.

What does bother me is an entity like Israel that holds to its heart a fraudulent ideology of hate for all others, that was built on theft and is perpetuated by lies.

The actual Zionist torture, rape and murder of Muslim and Christian children and tha Zionist threat of nuclear destruction of all the non-Jews in the world makes the use of headlined

Zionist Bastards

seem rather minor - doesn't it?




Um..... I think you forgot to lump in UFO cover-up, Scientology, the faked lunar landing and hemorrhoids on them too! JFK was already covered in another thread.

IMHO Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself from obviously hostile neighbors and regional powers. It is not hypocritical in doing so and you can spew all the vitriol from now until Iranian EMP wipes you off the keyboard, I will not see your way of destructive and genocidal hatred.

Of course it also appears by your hate filled postings that debate is futile with one so consumed.