Florida Straw Poll 9-24-2011 - The Case for Ron Paul

reply to post by Jazzyguy


I explained it already earlier in this thread, this thread hasn't even gotten to the second page yet and you're too lazy to read it?

lol.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy

“Florida is the ultimate state,” said Rollins. “If you don’t win Florida, you’re not going to win the presidency if you’re a Republican. At the end of the day, it’s a state where people pay attention.”

So does this mean Cain is without a doubt the GOP nominee? Or is the guy talking just an idiot?
If he wins is he gonna run the country like a pizza parlour? Feed the people with his 999 deal? 3 large 1 topping pizza's for 9.99? Well he's a Republican so it's probably more akin to 3 large 1 topping pizzas for 9 dollars each.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Jazzyguy

 

I explained it already earlier in this thread, this thread hasn't even gotten to the second page yet and you're too lazy to read it?

lol.

Where's the popular support for Ron Paul?? Where is it? He's fourth. And florida is the most important republican state!

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
So does this mean Cain is without a doubt the GOP nominee?

Not without a doubt but it's historical for florida to pick the republican presidential nominee.

Again where's the POPULAR support for RP? This one doesn't even require a write in, and yet he's only neck to neck with santorum, really?

reply to post by Jazzyguy


You know what all of the ATS Ron Paul haters fall back on when they have no more arguments left? They back-peddle to "So? Ron Paul only polls 10% only 10% of America supports him, he'll never win"

Hmm..guess what? Ron Paul got 10% in Florida, a state with many seniors and we already know most seniors either don't know about Ron Paul or watch too much mainstream tv to make up their own mind.

Ron Paul's campaign decided not to push a for the presidency 5 because it would've cost money he rather spend on campaigning in key primary states and the best he would've gotten in Florida was fourth, third if he was lucky. If Ron Paul even bothered to speak in person before the straw poll, he would've been fourth which isn't bad considering second place only got 15%.

And no, Florida isn't the most important republican state, most say it is New Hampshire and that is why Huntsman is putting all of his campaign efforts in that state alone and it shows since he got 10% in NH but only 1% nationwide.

Your attempts to discredit Paul are futile, you're paddling against an entire ocean here pal.

Originally posted by Wookiep
I'll bet you that if Cain did well on some online polls, all the Paul haters would come in and say "Ron Paul is done, Cain just won this internet poll!" Hypocrites. So internet polls DO mean something??

I would have much more respect for these people if they just came out and admitted that their only argument is that they don't like Ron Paul.

edit on 24-9-2011 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)

Can I ask you an honest question?

Did you really just call imaginary people that you made up for a scenario you also made up "hypocrites?"

This might be one of the reasons Paul gets the flack he gets. His supporters often seem just a tad off. Here you just got all riled up over something that never happened because you made it up and then you even got so mad you called the people you made up "hypocrites."

Online polls mean NOTHING.
Straw polls mean NOTHING.

Anyone that cares to argue with that might want to look at past results.

reply to post by FallenWun


Of course they mean something.. just not as much as some people would like to believe. If you do absolutely horrible 1 percent I personally would be that you aren't going to be the nominee. However if you are ranking with the lead guys there is more of a chance. You are being mentioned on the news more, and you obviously have some decent support. I'm just saying, if you are winning any polls then you probably don't want to just drop out.

reply to post by lernmore


I just Wonder how Many So Called Liberal Democrats are Closet Ron Paul Fans . I Bet they Number in the Millions , but would NEVER come Out and Admit It in Public...........

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by FallenWun

 

Of course they mean something.. just not as much as some people would like to believe. If you do absolutely horrible 1 percent I personally would be that you aren't going to be the nominee.

McCain did not win every straw poll. That means that no matter how well he did, someone did better. Know who? They were not on the ballot.

However if you are ranking with the lead guys there is more of a chance. You are being mentioned on the news more, and you obviously have some decent support. I'm just saying, if you are winning any polls then you probably don't want to just drop out.

There is a reason I specifically brought up the question of who has won them in the past. We do not have to rely on your personal interpretation or my opinion. We can simply look at the past. Tell me one straw poll that mattered in a past election and I will show you one where the eventual candidate lost...ie someone else did better yet went on to go NOWHERE.

I am just looking at reality. Straw polls have never managed to be an accurate indicator of anything and the fact that the votes are bought is just laughable at best. I am positive that if Ron Paul were losing every straw poll you would all be pointing this fact out instead of me doing it for you.

Despite what you guys may think, consistently winning online polls and straw polls does represent a strong organization and dedication to the specific candidate.

For instance, RP grassroots obviously has a great social network and getting wins in online polls is a result of that. Cain and RP winning straw polls (FL, CA respectively) shows strong organizational and strategic grassroots that know how to get the job done.

Does this mean they will win the presidency? no, it is definitely a process and without the media, it is extremely tough but you have to hand it to Ron Paul, his campaign and supporters, to grow at such a rate without the support of the mainstream media is definitely a feat that deserves its dues.

reply to post by FallenWun


Here's a suggestion. Why don't you actually read the response I made in context with the poster I was responding to? Imaginary?? LOL, good job at showing your ignorance. Why don't you check the history of some "trolls" on here, including the poster I was responding to. They always have the same responses.

If you think straw polls are useless, then don't pull the whole "Ron Paul is done, he lost a straw poll in Florida" card. Don't even try to sit on your mighty horse and tell me that isn't hypocritical when some other candidate wins a straw poll, and suddenly it seems to matter. If you can't grasp the concept of which I'm speaking of, then get out of the conversation because you are beyond any semblance of hope.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


Yeah, you know what else is weird? Rick Santorum lost so badly in the California straw poll that some guy named Thad McCotter beat him *edit* TIED him there. See for yourself!

www.cagop.org...

I guess we're all justified now in saying that Santorum is out because who the hell is "Thad McCotter", right? Nope! Santorum is in because when he loses as straw poll it really doesn't matter...

Oh yeah, but we didn't hear about that one because that straw poll didn't mean anything...well because Ron Paul won it by landslide. So which is it? Do you people think straw polls matter or not?? You keep saying they don't matter...but when someone else wins (other than RP) they suddenly do! It's weird how this doesn't equal hypocrisy as another poster tried to point out... I disagree.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
Ron Paul's campaign decided not to push a for the presidency 5 because it would've cost money he rather spend on campaigning in key primary states and the best he would've gotten in Florida was fourth, third if he was lucky. If Ron Paul even bothered to speak in person before the straw poll, he would've been fourth which isn't bad considering second place only got 15%.

If he's that popular shouldn't he at least get second place? What, suddenly he's not that popular now, suddenly he's gone into obscurity again?

Your attempts to discredit Paul are futile, you're paddling against an entire ocean here pal.

Discrediting rp? I'm questioning the popularity of rp, since he won every online polls, isn't he like superpopular, yet he can't even win florida. It just goes to show you that when it comes to polls especially online, they're unreliable.

reply to post by Wookiep

Santorum isn't the one who's popular on the internet POLLS. What are you people talking about?

Barack and Sarah is very popular on the internet far more than rp, but not on political polls. Because rp followers are very politically charged, I suspect they go everywhere to vote online polls but rp himself doesn't seem to have the support from majority of the US citizens.

The bottom line again, if rp is that popular on the internet, where's the popular support for rp in florida? Where are those hardcore rp supporters in florida? If he has that many of supporters, he can win florida easily even without campaigning. Apparently only 10% wants him in florida.

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Originally posted by Jazzyguy

If he's that popular shouldn't he at least get second place? What, suddenly he's not that popular now, suddenly he's gone into obscurity again?

Not really but you seem jaded in your view so it's probably pointless to let you in on the secret that none of the canidates have held first and second place in all of the straw polls this year.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy

The bottom line again, if rp is that popular on the internet, where's the popular support for rp in florida? Where are those hardcore rp supporters in florida? If he has that many of supporters, he can win florida easily even without campaigning. Apparently only 10% wants him in florida.

You seem to fail at logic from what you say here it's is ovbious that his suporters are at home on the internet The other thing you don't seem to realize about R.P. supporters is that they are part of his campaign so maybe they are working on that. And I am sure the hard core ones are. So the real bottom line is florida is not the entire internet so why would you expect every supporter on the internet to be accounted for in the florida straw poll. So from this we can summerize that the internet has no affilation with florida as its for porn and R.P. support.

Terrible showing for Rick Perry.
I think he's done.

Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by FallenWun

 

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you actually read the response I made in context with the poster I was responding to? Imaginary?? LOL, good job at showing your ignorance. Why don't you check the history of some "trolls" on here, including the poster I was responding to. They always have the same responses.

I did read it and the it is just you getting angry with people you just made up.

I'll bet you that if Cain did well on some online polls, all the Paul haters would come in and say "Ron Paul is done, Cain just won this internet poll!" Hypocrites. So internet polls DO mean something?? I would have much more respect for these people if they just came out and admitted that their only argument is that they don't like Ron Paul.

You even open by stating you are just guessing about a hypothetical situation. Now you claim it was a real person? Then why are you betting it is going to happen if it already did happen? That makes no sense.

If you think straw polls are useless, then don't pull the whole "Ron Paul is done, he lost a straw poll in Florida" card.

I never pulled any such card. The person that pulled that card was the person you made up in your above imaginary scenario. How about YOU READ and see where I never played any such "card."

Don't even try to sit on your mighty horse and tell me that isn't hypocritical when some other candidate wins a straw poll, and suddenly it seems to matter.

Who are you talking to? Again, the only people I even see doing that are the ones in your above imagined situation. I sure as hell did not. I clearly stated that the straw polls are worthless regardless who wins or loses.

If you can't grasp the concept of which I'm speaking of, then get out of the conversation because you are beyond any semblance of hope.

edit on 25-9-2011 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)

I grasped it just fine. I am not sure you did though. All I said is that straw polls are worthless as proven by their history so far. The hypocrite part is all stuff you made up in your own head.

Let me try saying it again in a more simple fashion.

These straw polls are worthless as indicators of actual votes. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


Are you kidding? If you don't get it by now, you're just trolling.

If we're all going by your own logic Rick Perry leads national polls over and over but he came second in CA and FL straw polls, he should've won FL and CA because he's leading the pack in all national polls. These straw polls and online polls is not an indication of popularity with the general population, it is an indication of organization by the campaign and the grassroots. How can you not understand this!?


I thought I could expect more from ATS members with thousands of votes...I thought wrong...

reply to post by FallenWun


Wow, you're thick and seemingly a lost cause. lol. READ the thread. You're new here so I guess I can understand. So, you're going to tell me "carseller4" and others like him are imaginary? They place claims about straw polls being meaningless, then suddenly they mean something when RP doesn't place in the top two. All you gotta do is go back 1 page and READ.

reply to post by FallenWun


To be fair, he was more or less talking about the Ron Paul trolls who constantly crap on anything RP does, downplaying every accomplishment and headlining every failure despite inconsistencies and hypocrisy, they'll do anything to make RP and the movement look bad.

Don't ask me why, I really don't understand it either.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


In my response to you, I didn't mention internet polls even once. I was pointing out that Rick Santorum lost the California straw poll by a huge margin. You mentioned that RP lost to him in the Florida straw poll like it means something.

I was asking you if you think straw polls matter, because if you don't then your whole point about RP losing to Santorum is moot. If you do, then you should check the averages of all the straw polls to find out who is actually on top.