Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
It seems you and your friends had a bad experience with unions in the past. I am not sure how much stock to put in your allegations, but all I know
is that unions provide a counter-balance to big and small corporations alike.
I suppose I could scare up photos of the destruction, but they would prove nothing other than that the destruction occurred - you'd still have only my
word for who did it.
The dead friends have been dead a long time. One was shot through the windshield of his truck as he was driving down a mountain road several years
back, and went over the side of the mountain as a result, and a couple of years before that, another was shot at the front door of his home with a
shotgun to the face. The UMWA contract came up for re-negotiation every 3 years or so, and then the fun would begin. We'd usually see an influx of
State Troopers from across the state - one year I recall it was 600 troopers sent in for the duration, and they were never enough to keep everything
under control. They tried, though.
Not much of that sort of thing goes on there any more - most of the mines have shut down now, and the UMWA lost a lot of muscle on account of that.
There has been talk lately of re-opening the mines in a "new climate", but I doubt anything will come of it, what with all the carbon-crying going
Without them there would be no such thing as collective bargaining were a group of workers unite to protect their collective interest in wages, work
hours, safety conditions and some form of representation with government. Without unions corporations would have the leeway to be much more
dominating then they currently are and yes unions are losing their power.
I've never been very big on a "collective" anything. Seems a hive-mind to me, and I prefer to do my own thinking and negotiating. Corporations can be
a major pain in the ass with the way they steamroll folks, but the unions are no different - they do the same thing. It's a trade of one master for
another. As far as I'm concerned, they are just the "other" corporation.
Myself, if I want to "protect my wages", I make sure that what I want is in the agreement before I sign off on it. Don't need anyone else to read it
and decide for me. If they reneg, there are remedies, either legal, or if that's too much bother, dissolution and go find another.
I work for what I agree to work for - and under the conditions I agree to, and if they don't live up to that, I don't work for less than I agreed to.
I don't need a gang at my back to get that done. I already have my representation with government, same as everyone else, and don't need yet another
layer of middle men between me and it.
If you want working conditions to go back to the age of feudalism, then by all means keep hating unions and seek to be the boss of yourself.
"Seek to be"? I AM the boss of myself. Nothing feudal about it - I'm neither serf nor manor lord. If I agree to do a job for you, that job will get
done. If you don't want to meet what I ask for to do it, it may or may not get done, but either way it won't be by me.
I doubt that strategy will get you far unless of course you are not what you claim to be or you had special considerations the union boss should have
considered and you got all sore that he ignored you.
I am currently a Security Contractor. That union job was several years ago, mid 90's, at a grocery store, lasted all of about 6 or 8 months. I wasn't
willing to put up with the union crap for the pitiful 6 or 7 dollars an hour they "won" for me when they were "collectively bargaining" to "increase
my wages", but the kicker was their political contributions out of the dues kitty. Hell with that. Dues ought to be for the benefit of union members -
that's why they band together to begin with, right? If politicians want to spend union dues, let 'em form their OWN unions.
I will say this for them, though, in the short time I was there, I saw 3 people get fired for goofing off instead of working (one was actually
sleeping - laid right down and SNORING
) and within 3 days the union rep had 'em right back on the job, goofing off again. One thing they DID do
was make sure you kept drawing that check, regardless of performance.
edit on 2011/9/30 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)