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Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 


Sorry I thought everyone in the military signed up with social security and was entitled to the benefits.

Maybe I was wrong here...........


No more so then anyone else.

In fact, I think as a retired military member enters the age of SS, there is an offset between payments.

Kind of punishment if you ask me.




posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by texastig

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?


There are over 10,000 scientists that say human global warming is fake. Even the creator of the Weather Channel says the same thing. It is the sun that is heating up according to MIT and National Geographic. Corporations bring jobs. Iraq aided al-qaeda by giving them comfort and sanctuary according to Hillary Clinton, a Democrat. Republicans are not ignorant.


Not to mention that the earth as a whole is at the tail end of the last mini ice age. So, shouldn't the earth be getting warmer, if we are coming out of an ice age?

That is always ignored.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by constantwonder

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by macman
 


not really just looking at stuff like this and see how it correlated to the thread topic



Nice


Where is the area to put things like racist, war mongering and profiteering?



War mongering and profiteering is far from a Republican only problem....

Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer.... Democratic war mongering and profiteering happens to friend...

www.alternet.org...

The ignorance being displayed here by both sides saddens me.

Wake up smell the bull#, Washington is a big scam where the few get rich of the many.

You think liberals care more about you than their own status you are crazy. Republican and democrat is nothing but a circus for public consumption.

These people are ALL SCREWING US. There is no good side or bad side no black side or white side, the side anyone in Washington is on is the GREEN side.

Until everyone posting dribble from both parties book of taglines realizes this we are doomed. And everyone throwing out the talking points is perpetuating the ignorance.

Good job


So then can we all agree to just be good people who push for peace, equality, and a sustainable clean planet? Can we all agree that money is not more important than the environment? Can we all agree that people should not be treated different based on age, race, sex, religion, sexual orientation? Can we all agree to not support laws that allow unlimited corporate funding to pollute our democratic elections?

This way we aren't siding with a party, but simple morality.


Wow, a little bit of sensibility within a crazy post.

Sounds like every Conservative person (Not Politician draped in a Conservative cloak) I have ever met.

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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Grumble


65% of the Iowa Straw Poll voters did not believe in evolution.


And your point is?
So what?
Just because they don't believe what you believe does not make them any more wrong or right then you.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Connector

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


What lies?
My family and I have always done better. There is no need to lie.

What do you mean by service men relying on SS? I don't follow.
Yes, the middle class carries the brunt.
Yes, Bush created the TSA and PA. But, I don't consider him to be a Rep. More Dem then anything.
The PA screams of Govt control. That has always been the mantra of Dems, throughout my life.
The idea that people are to dumb, and that the Fed Govt has to step in, to safe us from ourselves.

But, lower taxes during Reps, lower unemployment during Reps.



Please don't just spout off unsubstantiated nonsense to back up your claim....Deny Ignorance!!!

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Since January of 1948, Democrats have occupied the White House for a total of 313 months (out of a possible 745). The average monthly national unemployment rate during those 313 months? 5.29%.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have occupied the White House for a total of 432 months since January of 1948 (out of a total of 745). The average monthly national unemployment rate during those 432 months? 5.93%.
So, according to the data from BLS.gov, the national unemployment rate has been, on average, 0.64% higher when a Republican has been occupying the White House.


I'm happy to tell you that your second claim that taxes under Rep have been lower, but there is more to the story. While taking in lower revenue(taxes), they increased spending i.e increased the deficit.

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Table 2 shows that Republican Presidents have been true to their commitment to low taxes. Under Republicans, there has been little change in the realized marginal tax rate since Eisenhower. Under the five Republican presidents, about 16 cents of every additional dollar of GDP has gone to Federal taxes. Democratic presidents since 1961, in contrast, have tended to take an average of about 23 cents of every additional dollar of GDP as new revenue. But as we have already noted, reality departs from the conventional wisdom when we look at spending patterns. In fact, Republicans since 1961 have spent 22 cents of every additional dollar of GDP, while Democrats spent 20 cents. On average, under Democrats, Federal spending rose by 20 cents and Federal revenue by 23 cents for every dollar of economic growth. Under Republicans, spending grew by 22 cents and revenue by only 16 cents. Eisenhower was the last Republican president who matched modest
spending increases to modest revenue increases.


So who's the party for smaller government again?

Here's an other GREAT site that breaks down all of this going back to 1948 but stops at 2001

Taxes, GDP, Growth, Presidents


What part of my statement is unsubstantiated nonsense?

I have always paid lower taxes and done better while Reps were in charge.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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kitilani your back

word had you were banned


Oh no.
Now the username fits, fallenwun.

Great catch.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman

The Govt has no business sticking its nose into welfare and the like for the masses.


Then who does? What is the purpose of government then?


Hopefully you noticed that Macman carries himself as a soldier here on ATS.
I think ignorant is probably a really nice way to put it when someone dressed in a military uniform says that the government has no business looking out for the welfare of its people.

Shhhh. Don't point out the irony to him. It makes him mad when you expect him to think.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by spiritualzombie
 


No, it was not created by Dems to save the planet.

It was created to make this guy wealthy and powerful.


In the pursuit of denying ignorance as well as debunking the claim the the right wholly embraces ignorance, can you back up your claim that global warming was made up just to make Al Gore rich?

The above is an example of an honest question with no insults. I might just have a heart attack if I actually get an answer or response that is not some dismissive insult.


Arguing with you is more akin to getting a running start and smashing ones head into a brick wall.

There is no hope for you, no changing your stance, no debating you because you don't grow as an individual.
You rely on Alinsky style arguing tactics as your base, backed by years of obvious Marxist and Socialist studying and up-ringing.
You were banned from this site a while ago, now you are back.
You reek of elitism and I would bet lunch you are part of the Govt program to go around and argue on the internet.

You are presented with facts, and your retorts are basically "That site is...." or "That is just wrong because I say so" and the only backing you have is to then corner and slam the person, instead of the arguing the points.

So, I say no thanks. To your crap, to your retorts and to your style.

When you want to debate, then we can.

Now, go argue with Neo and Thirdeye. I have no time for regurgitated banned users.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by SeventhSeal
 


How is that?
I forgot so many more bigoted statements for you to agree with.



Republicans cheer on Executions.
Republicans cheer on letting those without insurance die in the street.
Republicans boo a marine in Iraq simply because he's gay.
Republicans were voted into Congress to work on the economy and decided to inflict their religious ideologies upon the American public.
Republicans praised, loved, respected, trusted the federal government when it introduced the Patriot Act and lead the country into a Middle East occupation, killing over 100,000 people since 2001. The same Republicans turned against the government when a Democrat entered office and provided the same ideas and treatment the previous Administration. I wonder why. Oh could it be because of Fox News propaganda and...PERHAPS...maybe his skin color? Nah. What am I saying? I'm just a Libertarian who actually thinks most Republicans are bitter about a Black man entering office. I mean, hell, only the liberals could be racist right? They voted for Obama based on his skin color, but there is NO way Republicans can be racist. Right?


...Right?


Oh, here we go again.
Another shared brain johnny come lately.

No, Reps do not cheer those things. I don't see parades in the streets for those things.

Please do your homework and state correctly.


I'm guessing you missed the debates and the last 4 years of hypocrisy then.

Oh well.

No, I just see both parties for what they are. BS. The both of them.

Thinking one is better then the other is basically trying to decide which is more for consumption, Donkey crap or Elephant crap.
Both stink, both are disgusting and both are a byproduct of consuming something. In this case, consuming the people's money and work.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman

The Govt has no business sticking its nose into welfare and the like for the masses.


Then who does? What is the purpose of government then?


Hopefully you noticed that Macman carries himself as a soldier here on ATS.
I think ignorant is probably a really nice way to put it when someone dressed in a military uniform says that the government has no business looking out for the welfare of its people.

Shhhh. Don't point out the irony to him. It makes him mad when you expect him to think.


Trying to compare a soldier with entitlement junkies is not only embarrassing for you but clearly illustrates your complete disdain for the honor, intergrity, and sacrifice that anyone who wears the uniform performs.

That was absolutely disgusting.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by awakened1
Wake up from the false left vs right paradigm aka Divide & Conquer tactics, Republican & Democrat, Liberal & Conservative are PRODUCTS that have been created for the masses to give the illusion of choice in the Political arena. They no longer exist as they did when the founders were around.

The SAME Agenda has been in place for years, call it conspiracy, New World Order / Illuminati / Bilderberg whatever... but it has controlled & infiltrated and Paid for both sides of the the Political Agenda through "Think Tanks", Lobbying groups, Corporations, Privatization of the Central Banking Cartels and so forth.

Stop getting distracted by the R vs D aspect, behind closed doors there is ONE party, agenda, way of doing business.

Obama is a Puppet doing exactly as he is told, just like Bush and those before... The Last President who openly spoke out against the Conspiracy and tried to shut down the Federal Reserve was eliminated. Since then not one has stood up, they tow the line, because thats the deal they are given for the "power" to become a Puppet and spokesperson to Millions of sheep who will follow and not question for the most part

as long as people keep believing there is a difference then they win, they have the population fighting over it while we are all lead to the slaughter and scammed


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edit on 25-9-2011 by awakened1 because: (no reason given)


Okay, I just woke up... Democrat and Republican both sh*t. I agree. So does this mean now humanity can agree that equality, peace, love, and the environment are where our priorities should be?

I'm so sick of this "false left/right paradigm" mantra. It's great and cerebral and intellectual, but the fact is, you talk to people on the street and it doesn't matter -- they still hate gays, or they still hate muslims, or they still think we have no responsibility to take on the destruction of our environment and the pollution of the planet. They still have no sympathy for people who are sick or unemployed, but they still support the super wealthy who they feel deserve special government assistance in the form of tax breaks.

No politics... let's just agree to be decent human beings yes? The fact that one party leans toward all these things more than the other... Does it matter in the false left/right paradigm? Does the false left/right paradigm matter when these people still lean towards ignorance and greed?

Wake up and see that there is a very real division of morality here.


I knew you would see it.
Just took some discussion.

Great for you.

Now, what is your next step?



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by ARealandTrueAmerican

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by spiritualzombie
 


Good hell, another Evil republican thread?

Yep, all Republicans and Conservatives are Satan's Spawns.
All want to kill brown people, make grandma eat out of the neighbors garbage cans, give babies M16s and chant "USA USA USA" at NASCAR events.


How original...


So, you would consider yourself a fan and defender of the Republican Party?

Really?

I find that kind of sad. Have you noticed they are as bad as the Democrats?


No, I am not a fan or defender of the GOP. Haven't been for a long time now.

Yes, they are both disgraceful. See my above retort on that.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by awakened1
Wake up from the false left vs right paradigm aka Divide & Conquer tactics, Republican & Democrat, Liberal & Conservative are PRODUCTS that have been created for the masses to give the illusion of choice in the Political arena. They no longer exist as they did when the founders were around.

The SAME Agenda has been in place for years, call it conspiracy, New World Order / Illuminati / Bilderberg whatever... but it has controlled & infiltrated and Paid for both sides of the the Political Agenda through "Think Tanks", Lobbying groups, Corporations, Privatization of the Central Banking Cartels and so forth.

Stop getting distracted by the R vs D aspect, behind closed doors there is ONE party, agenda, way of doing business.

Obama is a Puppet doing exactly as he is told, just like Bush and those before... The Last President who openly spoke out against the Conspiracy and tried to shut down the Federal Reserve was eliminated. Since then not one has stood up, they tow the line, because thats the deal they are given for the "power" to become a Puppet and spokesperson to Millions of sheep who will follow and not question for the most part

as long as people keep believing there is a difference then they win, they have the population fighting over it while we are all lead to the slaughter and scammed


edit on 25-9-2011 by awakened1 because: (no reason given)

edit on 25-9-2011 by awakened1 because: (no reason given)


Okay, I just woke up... Democrat and Republican both sh*t. I agree. So does this mean now humanity can agree that equality, peace, love, and the environment are where our priorities should be?

I'm so sick of this "false left/right paradigm" mantra. It's great and cerebral and intellectual, but the fact is, you talk to people on the street and it doesn't matter -- they still hate gays, or they still hate muslims, or they still think we have no responsibility to take on the destruction of our environment and the pollution of the planet. They still have no sympathy for people who are sick or unemployed, but they still support the super wealthy who they feel deserve special government assistance in the form of tax breaks.

No politics... let's just agree to be decent human beings yes? The fact that one party leans toward all these things more than the other... Does it matter in the false left/right paradigm? Does the false left/right paradigm matter when these people still lean towards ignorance and greed?

Wake up and see that there is a very real division of morality here.


I knew you would see it.
Just took some discussion.

Great for you.

Now, what is your next step?


Macman, I woke up long ago...

While both parties express their own forms of ignorance and greed... It is politics after all... I continue to hold the stance that the Republican Party has shamefully become THE PARTY for epic levels of mainstream misinformation and consistent widespread Ignorance and Greed.

When I talk about Republicans I am indeed referring to the mainstream view. How majority of republicans present themselves through mainstream channels combined with mainstream republican voters who speak on their behalf every day.

Always defending oil, drilling, war, corporations and the wealthy, while consistently scoffing at the poor, the unemployed, the sick, cleaner energy and the environment. Basically what you would imagine being the human compassion side, they are against... the money and power side, they are for. Consistently.

And when asked why... Never a clear honest answer, always spin and misdirection. I truly think this party believes spin is the same as a real answer. They only know spin. It's like they went to college and only learned the art of bullsh*t and failed all their courses on science, history and math.

They now appeal to either the ignorantly lowest common denominator, or the corrupt and greedy.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by spiritualzombie


Okay, I just woke up... Democrat and Republican both sh*t. I agree. So does this mean now humanity can agree that equality, peace, love, and the environment are where our priorities should be?

I'm so sick of this "false left/right paradigm" mantra. It's great and cerebral and intellectual, but the fact is, you talk to people on the street and it doesn't matter -- they still hate gays, or they still hate muslims, or they still think we have no responsibility to take on the destruction of our environment and the pollution of the planet. They still have no sympathy for people who are sick or unemployed, but they still support the super wealthy who they feel deserve special government assistance in the form of tax breaks.

No politics... let's just agree to be decent human beings yes? The fact that one party leans toward all these things more than the other... Does it matter in the false left/right paradigm? Does the false left/right paradigm matter when these people still lean towards ignorance and greed?

Wake up and see that there is a very real division of morality here.


I knew you would see it.
Just took some discussion.

Great for you.

Now, what is your next step?


Macman, I woke up long ago...

While both parties express their own forms of ignorance and greed... It is politics after all... I continue to hold the stance that the Republican Party has shamefully become THE PARTY for epic levels of mainstream misinformation and consistent widespread Ignorance and Greed.

When I talk about Republicans I am indeed referring to the mainstream view. How majority of republicans present themselves through mainstream channels combined with mainstream republican voters who speak on their behalf every day.

Always defending oil, drilling, war, corporations and the wealthy, while consistently scoffing at the poor, the unemployed, the sick, cleaner energy and the environment. Basically what you would imagine being the human compassion side, they are against... the money and power side, they are for. Consistently.

And when asked why... Never a clear honest answer, always spin and misdirection. I truly think this party believes spin is the same as a real answer. They only know spin. It's like they went to college and only learned the art of bullsh*t and failed all their courses on science, history and math.

They now appeal to either the ignorantly lowest common denominator, or the corrupt and greedy.




Seriously? this is where the argument goes?

The FOR Rapist #1
Well rapist #1 is better because they said they didn't mean to rape. While rapist #2 intended rape.

The FOR Rapist #2
Well rapist #2 was HONEST about their intention to rape, While rapist #1 raped and lied about their intention.

Keep cheering on your rapists and blame the OTHER people for your lack of ability to see other choices. The reality is, until you stand up and say "I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING RAPED! DOWN WITH ALL OF YOU LYING, MURDERING, THIEVING RAPISTS!!!" you will continue to demonstrate your total disregard of reality.

This isn't some sports game or reality show. YOUR GOVERNMENT IS USING YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO MURDER RIGHT NOW! And you want to debate about who is more ignorant? I understand people don't want to face the truth.. But you will be held accountable. You OR your Children. So why not stand up and decry everything that is so obviously wrong with ALL of it?

Go and talk one on one, face to face with some of these GOP boogie men you hate so much.. then see if they aren't just people like you who have been raped so many times they don't know what is real anymore.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Ok, so, by that retort, the OP topic should be something like "Mainstream Republican/Democrat: The parties of ignorance and greed".



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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reply to post by rwfresh
 


While it may sound powerful in a post... What exactly is the real world action to go with the following suggestion?



stand up and say "I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING RAPED! DOWN WITH ALL OF YOU LYING, MURDERING, THIEVING RAPISTS!!!"


I understand where you're coming from, my friend, but sometimes screaming at the entire system is futile and not conducive to progress. If you want to make that your battle, go ahead... but people need to accept their own responsibility in this.

We have republican voters fighting against the environment. How ignorant and moronic is that? They fight against the planet on which they live. They refuse to accept man's impact. That is a personal responsibility, my friend. It is not a rapist on either side of the aisle. It is complete ignorance perpetuated by one side, but ignorantly embraced by ignorant followers. It is the mass support of those ignorant followers that allows this to continue. TPTB don't appear on TV just for the hell of it. They need support from the masses. And right now Republicans are pushing for mass support against environmental issues that affect us all for the favor of big money.

I'm saying, if there is a strong push for people to take responsibility for the environment... Does there have to always be a push against it? You have to accept responsibility that this comes from the mindset of an individual. When cameras are on the street and a microphone is in someone's face to ask if they feel we are environmentally damaging the planet... might we ALL be intelligent enough to say yes, we are, and we need to change our ways immediately?

Stop shifting blame to a so-called equally flawed and corrupt system. It's a tug of war for who gets to control the country. I'm saying in watching this tug of war play out, it is clear that Democrats are banking on tolerance, social awareness, compassion... and Republicans are banking on a more selfish or ignorant mindset.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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It's funny to me to watch all the people who claim to not be partisan rushing to the defense of the Republican National Committee.

False Dichotomy: "oh, the Democrats are worse"/ No! They are the same, sheep.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by spiritualzombie
 


Ok, so, by that retort, the OP topic should be something like "Mainstream Republican/Democrat: The parties of ignorance and greed".



Nothing ignorant about them, that is for sure. Extravagance, nepotism, perversion, hedonism, or oligarchy are words that might apply but ignorant? No. That is reserved for the sheep who fall for the ruse and follow them even though they get nothing but rhetoric and screwed. That is a mastery of manipulation worthy of praise.

Money rules everything....Wonder what party we are dealing with when we start to talk about the money? Oh yeah Obama gave them a bail out...that is how powerful they are. Politicians have no power not even the President. These folks have the power and manipulate Politicians like puppets. They don't even hide it any more.

Goldman Sachs rule the world
www.abovetopsecret.com...


The Power of Donald Trump
www.abovetopsecret.com...


The Democrats work constantly against the rich who buy votes (ie slick advertising) but they have always had people...children, poor, mothers, military, elderly, women, minorities, workers, unions, immigrants and everyone else on the face of the earth and public dole supporting them. This is the only way they survive as a party against the mega- monied GOP
But I agree they are not infallible.

Wave enough money in front of them and they will follow it too.
Unfortunately they got nothing, and so really never call any shots as a party. They just try to stay afloat so the balance of power doesn't tip away from THE PEOPLE and toward the corporate holdings so much the people are no longer safe at work, with their purchases or in their communities.

Democrats WOULD BE THE party of excess and greed if they could afford to. If they had any money to protect they might, but they don't.

The vast majority of wealth in this country is in the hands of those registered as REPUBLICAN.


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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

I understand that the Hegelian philosophy was embraced by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, who co-wrote the Communist Manifesto. That is a fact of matter. I don't make up stuff like that. I know that Marxism spread, and that Progressives embraced the philosphy. To be fair, Bush Jr is 3rd gen Bonesman, and I've posted that more than once. Skull and Bones is a Yale fraternity, a secret society, whose members often go on to join the CFR. This is also fact.
Hegelian dialectic is a method of pitting one argument against an opposing one. The conflict of the OPPOSING views produces a synthesis.


And what exactly is wrong with that? I have the feeling that anything originally espoused by socialists and communists is an anathema to conservatives(status quo holders). Its the equivilent of throwing the baby with the bath water out the window.

There are some right wind ideologies that I agree with such as the right to bear arms. Government, as people, will have the tendency to get corrupt as time passes regardless of ideology. For this reason citizens need something to defend themselves and oust the corruption, to be replaced with something better.


Antony Sutton says that this philosophy was brought to Yale by individuals who went to the University of Berlin and imported the idea. That also is fact. Sutton was a research fellow at Hoover. www.hoover.org...
Sutton exposed Skull and Bones after receiving a packet that had some documents involving the secret organization.


There is definitely some kind of conspiracy involving *skull and bones* as to be someone important in the world, membership in that fraternity is a must. Another one of those unwritten rules.......:dw:


Sutton says that European bankers financed the Bolshevik revolution and Hitler too. I am not saying that banks and corporations are without fault or even evil, but I am also saying that Marxism is an attack against Capitalism, while communists and socialists alike have benefited from the financial support of said institutions.
This is why I have no trouble at all implicating the Socialist financier George Soros in the destruction of currencies, and in the protests against Wall Street.


Marxism most definitely IS an attack against capitalism, just like it is an attack against monarchies.

However private central banks, while parasitic capitalist tools, stand above any political ideology for the benefit of creating debt and collecting the interest on that debt. He who controls the debt of the nation covertly controls the nation and the ideology of that nation. That is the reason why cuba, north korea, russia, china and other communist countries ultimately ended belly up with failure. When you restrict capital to a nation and refuse to do business with it you are ultimately beseiging/choking it from success. Then the creditor demands repayment of the debt which puts the final nail in the coffin of socialism and especially communism.

In short capitalism is protected by the bankers and multi-national corporations. Large commercial banks are the main stockholders of the private central bank such as the Federal Reserve and ECB.


People mistakenly say that the two opposing sides are exactly the same, but this is to misunderstand the process of the dialectic, which philosophy itself came out of a leftist ideology.


There are various political ideologies but the same people control everything. Hence the NWO allegedly run by the bavarian illuminati which is satanic in nature. By satanic I mean run by evil aliens residing in underground bases, the moon and other planets in our solar system. Everything is tied together in some form!

The nwo does not want socialism or communism as the end goal and this can be seen by the destruction of both throughout the world. Is china still communist? Is russia still communist? NO they opened up to the "free markets" decades ago and now they want to destroy america and europe to bring about a one world corporate dictatorship run by bankers and multi-national corporations. It is self-evident for those with eyes to see and ears to listen with.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Sutton says that the resulting synthesis of the pitting of the two opposing sides is the New World Order, and it is neither right nor left. Today we do see a blurring of the lines of demarcation between the parties. People call this "centrist", or moderate. Hence we have a John McCain who has an R back of his name, but espouses a lot of liberal ideas. We have a Barack Obama with a D, who is mostly leftist but pretends to be centrist, but he stands to make a lot of money from the manipulations of the BP Oil disaster, and pays off all his Union friends and pals and people who voted for him with taxpayer money, but his social ideology is clearly Progressive. He has Marxist ideology, radical friends like Ayers and Van Jones, mentors like the Communist Frank Marshall Davis.
So you see, it's not that the left and right have no differences, it's that the conflict of the two produces something neither right nor left. Sutton says the Elite use "conflict management" to achieve their goals.
I am fully aware of the degradation of the Republican Party, but I still hold to conservative/Libertarian ideals.
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There is NOTHING wrong with being a centrist. In fact it "incorporates" a lot of good values from both right and left. In truth though though we still have capitalism, which IS right wing ideology. The only problem is it is NOT free market. It IS controlled markets for croney oligopolies...people with the right connections in the right places.

Hence we come to STATE CAPITALISM which looks like socialism but has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it.


State capitalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term State capitalism has various different meanings, but is usually described as management of business and productive forces by the state—especially when such management is done in a capitalist manner, even if the state is nominally socialist.[1] It may be compared to the term state socialism, which has a different theoretical emphasis but largely overlapping meaning in practice.

Corporatized (partly privatized) government agencies and a state that owns controlling shares of corporations listed publicly, thus acting as a capitalist itself, are two examples of state capitalism. State capitalism has also come to refer to an economic system such that the means of production are owned privately and the state has considerable control of the allocation of credit and investment. State capitalism is a term that is also used (sometimes interchangeably with state monopoly capitalism) to describe a system such that the state intervenes in the economy to protect and advance the interests of large-scale businesses. This practice is often claimed to be in contrast with the ideals of both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism.[2]


This is a partial definition of state capitalism. Pay special attention to the bolded text! To read the full definition please visit wikipedia.

And yes the american government is totally incorporated in the state of delaware with the leanest of all regulations. I can provide proof if asked but you can google various agencies and find out for youself.
edit on 9/26/2011 by EarthCitizen07 because: fixed tags



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