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Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Sorry I thought everyone in the military signed up with social security and was entitled to the benefits.

Maybe I was wrong here...........




posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by mastahunta
 


the way i look at it the only people who give a crap about money

are the ones who make it and when they dont

you end up in the poor house

just ask anyone of those 145 million americans living on the government dime

where their hope is change is but i digress the only thing they are going to say

is where is my free obama money

the left gives a crap about people give me a break the only thing they give a crap about is their votes

nothing else withhold that vote lets see how long they give a crap


so you are saying that 145 million people, nearly half the country, are free loaders
?

people like you are exactly why poor people go democrat, you think everyone is a free loader.

Unless they have a Benz



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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yeah i am cause the democrats take advantage of their situations not doing anyrthing to change their circumstance

whats the solution?

just throw money at the problems never addressing and creating more people to pay.

the left has no moral high ground on any issue you can scream and shout at the top of your voice

you can sit their and keep thinking those happy happy thoughts and it wont change the fact

that millions of people would persih in this country if that governemnt failed.

and gues what ?

its failing so whats going to happen to those people?

how much do you give to charity? hmmm
edit on 25-9-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?


There are over 10,000 scientists that say human global warming is fake. Even the creator of the Weather Channel says the same thing. It is the sun that is heating up according to MIT and National Geographic. Corporations bring jobs. Iraq aided al-qaeda by giving them comfort and sanctuary according to Hillary Clinton, a Democrat. Republicans are not ignorant.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by MidnightTide


Funny about those who call themselves liberal/ Democrat - I thought being liberal ment you were tolerant of others beliefs and thoughts, that you favored individual freedoms......guess there aren't many "liberals" here on ATS because they are often the ones who start the insults when someone doesn't agree with them.


The insulting amount of ignorance conveyed by the conservatives is equivalent to insulting
me with clear intent. I think unspoken intentional and covert manipulation is very insulting,
I guess the liberals have the gaul to refrain from double speech and innuendo.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


No, it's just that conservatives are finally beginning to speak out. It's time for the silent majority to be heard. The push back has begun and you won't stop it.


The only thing you are going to push is the private agenda of business, you might also push
out some of the current dignities afforded to the working class.But in the end you guys are
not going to push back anything of consequence because you represent the powerful interests
that silently rule with their money. That's your albatross and without some sense realization
you have already lost.


Ok and the ONLY thing you are going to push is Big Government, Statism, Progressive policies stemming from Socialism and Marixsm and the stealing of my money to pay for entitlements while trying to defund the military. How do you like my side of this argument?
edit on 25-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by constantwonder

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by macman
 


not really just looking at stuff like this and see how it correlated to the thread topic



Nice


Where is the area to put things like racist, war mongering and profiteering?



War mongering and profiteering is far from a Republican only problem....

Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer.... Democratic war mongering and profiteering happens to friend...

www.alternet.org...

The ignorance being displayed here by both sides saddens me.

Wake up smell the bull#, Washington is a big scam where the few get rich of the many.

You think liberals care more about you than their own status you are crazy. Republican and democrat is nothing but a circus for public consumption.

These people are ALL SCREWING US. There is no good side or bad side no black side or white side, the side anyone in Washington is on is the GREEN side.

Until everyone posting dribble from both parties book of taglines realizes this we are doomed. And everyone throwing out the talking points is perpetuating the ignorance.

Good job


So then can we all agree to just be good people who push for peace, equality, and a sustainable clean planet? Can we all agree that money is not more important than the environment? Can we all agree that people should not be treated different based on age, race, sex, religion, sexual orientation? Can we all agree to not support laws that allow unlimited corporate funding to pollute our democratic elections?

This way we aren't siding with a party, but simple morality.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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I just don't understand how people can be so blind that they actually believe either side cares.

It's just such a shame to see people who want to think they are waking up and helping perpetuate what ATS stands for come on these threads and tout the party line. From either side, doesn't matter.

If you believe any "side" in Washington gives a damn you're fooling yourself.

This is my only point.

These threads are all the same one side baiting the other into a fruitless debate that only furthers rifts between us... If you can't see that or you actually believe your "side" is right i feel sorry for you.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by mastahunta
 


Um yah that's pretty typical. What you are trying to do here is explain away his involvement in the KKK (woops it was just an unfortunate accident he got involved with those racist Secret Society hooded raiders who burned crosses) because oh, he's really a conservative. By calling him a rogue conservative, you completely blow off the older Progressive view of an entire era, called the Progressive Era, and I've just blown the lid off your argument by showing the Progressive roots of the eugenics movement.
By saying he's conservative, then you can just blow off the reality of what the Progressives of an entire era believed.
By calling him conservative, you and others, suggest that he was not really a Democrat at heart but really a Nazi. He was not Republican though now was he? Why didn't he change his status to Republican?

c-pol.blogspot.com...
edit on 25-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


I can help that you buy into a giant conspiracy theory based upon ignorance.
The confederacy was a conservative movement, attempting to block progress and
conserve the status quo of the day. The confederacy was anti federal government,
federal interference, it is a part of agrarian southern culture. Southern culture is
conservative sir, from being to wild in a liberal town in the deep
south. I mean you and your story are so confused it is sad, nothing you say
is going to change the reality of reality, it sits there regardless of your sentiment.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by constantwonder
reply to post by MidnightTide
 


I just don't understand how people can be so blind that they actually believe either side cares.

It's just such a shame to see people who want to think they are waking up and helping perpetuate what ATS stands for come on these threads and tout the party line. From either side, doesn't matter.

If you believe any "side" in Washington gives a damn you're fooling yourself.

This is my only point.

These threads are all the same one side baiting the other into a fruitless debate that only furthers rifts between us... If you can't see that or you actually believe your "side" is right i feel sorry for you.


You speak the truth and I say thankya. You know what we need to do? Create a term that encompasses all political sell-outs. Maybe since they all do the "political baiting" thing, we should dub them "baiters". I'm ALL about that. Let's do it, man.

They will henceforth be dubbed "baiters"!



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by texastig

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?


There are over 10,000 scientists that say human global warming is fake. Even the creator of the Weather Channel says the same thing. It is the sun that is heating up according to MIT and National Geographic. Corporations bring jobs. Iraq aided al-qaeda by giving them comfort and sanctuary according to Hillary Clinton, a Democrat. Republicans are not ignorant.


Are you aware that this argument is not used to debate philosophical discussions, but to justify the continued greed of Big Oil and other environment damaging industries which cause these ecological disasters and pollution? They make this argument so that we may continue to have thick smog over cities like Los Angeles where the air is considered to be toxic every day. We develop cancers from unclean air and holes in our ozone that we caused. We destroy ecosystems. This is fact and the evidence is all around us.

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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I agree with your sentiment but the inherent problem is the subjectivity of "morality". Who gets to say what is right or wrong?

Corporate greed is a problem, but so is the entitlement mentality. Help should be afforded where needed...

Both corporations and individuals abuse the system. Causing unsustainable strains on society. These problems are incredibly difficult and will take real cooperation of level headed people from all walks.

The Washington elite are not going to solve the problem...

Incredibly difficult. So much in fact that I can make no suggestion of how to fix them. I just believe nothing will change till people begin to make inroads with each other on a person to person basis. People aren't going to stop being selfish or lazy or both... Anytime soon anyway.


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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by mastahunta
 


yeah i am cause the democrats take advantage of their situations not doing anyrthing to change their circumstance

whats the solution?

just throw money at the problems never addressing and creating more people to pay.

the left has no moral high ground on any issue you can scream and shout at the top of your voice

you can sit their and keep thinking those happy happy thoughts and it wont change the fact

that millions of people would persih in this country if that governemnt failed.

and gues what ?

its failing so whats going to happen to those people?

how much do you give to charity? hmmm
edit on 25-9-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


There are more people to pay because conservatives keep working to create a workplace
that is makes a few people much richer, which systematically lessons the amount of
jobs available for the working class.

I give a lot of money to charity, I give every time I get a chance because I believe in it, thanks.

edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Are you aware that this argument is not used to debate philosophical discussions, but to justify the continued greed of Big Oil and other environment damaging industries which cause these ecological disasters and pollution? They make this argument so that we may continue to have thick smog over cities like Los Angeles where the air is considered to be toxic every day. We develop cancers from unclean air and holes in our ozone that we caused. We destroy ecosystems. This is fact and the evidence is all around us.


There is no greed of big oil. The government takes more taxes than the money oil companies get in selling oil.
I agree about smog over cities. We need to clean that up and other stuff. But humans are not causing "global" warming.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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The OP is correct. The GOP is an expression of greed, with the public support largely being an expression of ignorance.

65% of the Iowa Straw Poll voters did not believe in evolution.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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no
no
no
no

why the hell would anyone get a job when all they have to do is go get a government check?

thats part of the problem

education is another factor in wealth creation just how many college graduates are on welfare

and consider for a moment that social security and medicare and medicaid have destroy wealth and job creation

that first one is a multi trillion dollar industry of long term wealth creation that now the government controls and control the entire financial well being of over 65 to 75 million americans who could be living better off on iras 401ks an inusrance annuity investments and back in the day money markets cds and other financial investments use to create more wealth to millions of americans

cant do that today back in the day a person could throw 100k in the bank and earn 6 percent a month off it for the rest of their life and that would in turn keep up with inflation.

no financial investment vehicle that americans use does that anymore and why that is is because of financial regulations that have destroy the wealth making abilities that millions of americans could use to depend on and which in turn made them less dependent on that government.

medicare and medicaid same thing regulation rules and regs and ramapant fraud and abuse couple to the fact that they can never be self sufiicient or will ever become a profit based model.

which is why private insurance will always be better of that government based model systems with the caviat that private could be a hell of alot better and a hell of alot cheaper when government gets the hell out of the way and let them provide that good and service and create a competition based model where more people are providing quality care and quality prices.

liberal policies since 1935 have been the root cause of this entire nations financial and social decline thats the truth.

power and control and free market WHAT? how dare you even suggest a a thing.

you want to even being to fix this country and start thinking about those people thats is what is going to have to be done.

there is no free market and that is stangling this country to death.


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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by MidnightTide


Funny about those who call themselves liberal/ Democrat - I thought being liberal ment you were tolerant of others beliefs and thoughts, that you favored individual freedoms......guess there aren't many "liberals" here on ATS because they are often the ones who start the insults when someone doesn't agree with them.


The insulting amount of ignorance conveyed by the conservatives is equivalent to insulting
me with clear intent. I think unspoken intentional and covert manipulation is very insulting,
I guess the liberals have the gaul to refrain from double speech and innuendo.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


No, it's just that conservatives are finally beginning to speak out. It's time for the silent majority to be heard. The push back has begun and you won't stop it.


The only thing you are going to push is the private agenda of business, you might also push
out some of the current dignities afforded to the working class.But in the end you guys are
not going to push back anything of consequence because you represent the powerful interests
that silently rule with their money. That's your albatross and without some sense realization
you have already lost.


Ok and the ONLY thing you are going to push is Big Government, Statism, Progressive policies stemming from Socialism and Marixsm and the stealing of my money to pay for entitlements while trying to defund the military. How do you like my side of this argument?
edit on 25-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


But you see, the financial powers you align yourself with wield the big government and control
the status of statism. I guess it is best to re implement the regressive policies of slavery, eliminate
the right to vote for women and maybe burning people at the stake,policy stemming from Vlad
the Impaler, Khan or garden variety troglodytes.

How are you guys gonna stop big government if you are completely aligned with their finical interests,
their funders and backers?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by constantwonder
reply to post by MidnightTide
 


I just don't understand how people can be so blind that they actually believe either side cares.

It's just such a shame to see people who want to think they are waking up and helping perpetuate what ATS stands for come on these threads and tout the party line. From either side, doesn't matter.


ATS has a problem of being so broadminded that both parties are the same, nobody cares. It's like they move so far back that it all just forms together. But while parties might not care, people DO care.

I care about the environment. I care about equality. I have compassion and empathy. Is there a party that will most likely fit better than another... my guess... it's the one that has the liberals... and these days that seems to be the democrats.

Conservatives have generally been the defenders of slave owning, the racists, the bigoted, backward thinking, against change... Basically the side of ignorance. Conservatives dominate the republican party. So for now, ignorance dominates the republican party.



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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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What lies?
My family and I have always done better. There is no need to lie.

What do you mean by service men relying on SS? I don't follow.
Yes, the middle class carries the brunt.
Yes, Bush created the TSA and PA. But, I don't consider him to be a Rep. More Dem then anything.
The PA screams of Govt control. That has always been the mantra of Dems, throughout my life.
The idea that people are to dumb, and that the Fed Govt has to step in, to safe us from ourselves.

But, lower taxes during Reps, lower unemployment during Reps.



Please don't just spout off unsubstantiated nonsense to back up your claim....Deny Ignorance!!!

source


Since January of 1948, Democrats have occupied the White House for a total of 313 months (out of a possible 745). The average monthly national unemployment rate during those 313 months? 5.29%.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have occupied the White House for a total of 432 months since January of 1948 (out of a total of 745). The average monthly national unemployment rate during those 432 months? 5.93%.
So, according to the data from BLS.gov, the national unemployment rate has been, on average, 0.64% higher when a Republican has been occupying the White House.


I'm happy to tell you that your second claim that taxes under Rep have been lower, but there is more to the story. While taking in lower revenue(taxes), they increased spending i.e increased the deficit.

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Table 2 shows that Republican Presidents have been true to their commitment to low taxes. Under Republicans, there has been little change in the realized marginal tax rate since Eisenhower. Under the five Republican presidents, about 16 cents of every additional dollar of GDP has gone to Federal taxes. Democratic presidents since 1961, in contrast, have tended to take an average of about 23 cents of every additional dollar of GDP as new revenue. But as we have already noted, reality departs from the conventional wisdom when we look at spending patterns. In fact, Republicans since 1961 have spent 22 cents of every additional dollar of GDP, while Democrats spent 20 cents. On average, under Democrats, Federal spending rose by 20 cents and Federal revenue by 23 cents for every dollar of economic growth. Under Republicans, spending grew by 22 cents and revenue by only 16 cents. Eisenhower was the last Republican president who matched modest
spending increases to modest revenue increases.


So who's the party for smaller government again?

Here's an other GREAT site that breaks down all of this going back to 1948 but stops at 2001

Taxes, GDP, Growth, Presidents



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by mastahunta
 


no
no
no
no

why the hell would anyone get a job when all they have to do is go get a government check?


So you collect a check from the government for doing nothing then?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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OH baloney. That is more liberal nonsense trying to stave off the conservative movement by trying to paint the Progressive Party as always being for equality and the conservatives as being racists nazis. The Nazi movement was always a faction of the left, no matter how much you try to pin it on the Right. Eugenics was from the Progressive movement.
Here's an interesting historical account of the abolitionist movement, and note the Christian involvement.

Abolitionists could not end slavery even after the Peoublican victory (1860). Ir was the secession of the Southern states and Civil War that made this possible. Lincoln Issuyed the Emancipastion Proclamation (1863). With out southern Congressmen, the Republicans were able to pass Constitutiona;l Amendments enshrining the Emancimation Proclamation in the Constitution with the 13th Amendment.



The Abolitionist movement in America was built around Protestant churches in the northern states. At first Quakers were the most prominent voice, but other religious groups in the North also began to question slavery. Southern churches, however, saw no religious problem with slavery. Southern slaves, however, saw considerable paralells with the bondage of the people of Israel in Egypt and their plight.

histclo.com...



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