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Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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reply to post by mastahunta
 


wanna talk friends lets take a look at yours who moved on from enslaving one ethnic group to everyone now

lets talk about the clueless leading the hopeless as per that party

and that aint the gop thats the blues where government knows best and we dont know jack.




posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Its always amusing to see the progessive crowd get backed into a corner when they start these types of threads...

Funny about those who call themselves liberal/ Democrat - I thought being liberal ment you were tolerant of others beliefs and thoughts, that you favored individual freedoms......guess there aren't many "liberals" here on ATS because they are often the ones who start the insults when someone doesn't agree with them.

Take your crap elsewhere, your usual guilt trips aren't working as they once did......well, at least for those who don't drink the kool-aid (and the ignorance of those on the left who ACTUALLY BELIEVE the Democrat Party actually intends on fixing the issues, like the GOP, they have no interests in fixing things)[
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide


Funny about those who call themselves liberal/ Democrat - I thought being liberal ment you were tolerant of others beliefs and thoughts, that you favored individual freedoms......guess there aren't many "liberals" here on ATS because they are often the ones who start the insults when someone doesn't agree with them.


The insulting amount of ignorance conveyed by the conservatives is equivalent to insulting
me with clear intent. I think unspoken intentional and covert manipulation is very insulting,
I guess the liberals have the gaul to refrain from double speech and innuendo.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by mastahunta
 


wanna talk friends lets take a look at yours who moved on from enslaving one ethnic group to everyone now

lets talk about the clueless leading the hopeless as per that party

and that aint the gop thats the blues where government knows best and we dont know jack.




You just keep rolling on with the ignorance train.

The states which instituted slavery, did so under the guise of states rights
and freedom from federal regulation, intervention, who does that sound like?
Today, you guys want to make it so corporations can enslave people did so under
the guise of states rights and freedom from federal regulation.


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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

And to which party did all those Racist Democrats flee to??? The segregationist South turned completely
Republican within two cycles.


Spin it how you want.........Al Gore is still a democrat like his daddy so your point kind of is poor and that's horrible logic as well but you are "free thinking" so that the bounds of normal induction don't hold with you.


Well fortunately the world knows the truth and got to witness a bunch of racist, conservative
rednecks get put into their place by the forces of freedom and equality.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


Huh? I wouldn't be calling Robert Byrd* a force of equality...he was a member of the KKK and I hope you know who that group is.


Ya, all those hippies kids marching and getting clubbed along with the black people were conservatives,
right...


You're talking about all those Southern Democrats right? Like Alby Gore Sr and Robert Byrd? They were standing there? Maybe you forgot, it was the REPUBLICANS who fought during the Civil War to end slavery.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

And to which party did all those Racist Democrats flee to??? The segregationist South turned completely
Republican within two cycles.


Spin it how you want.........Al Gore is still a democrat like his daddy so your point kind of is poor and that's horrible logic as well but you are "free thinking" so that the bounds of normal induction don't hold with you.



Well fortunately the world knows the truth and got to witness a bunch of racist, conservative
rednecks get put into their place by the forces of freedom and equality.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


Huh? I wouldn't be calling Robert Byrd* a force of equality...he was a member of the KKK and I hope you know who that group is.


Ya, all those hippies kids marching and getting clubbed along with the black people were conservatives,
right...


You're talking about all those Southern Democrats right? Like Alby Gore Sr and Robert Byrd? They were standing there? Maybe you forgot, it was the REPUBLICANS who fought during the Civil War to end slavery.



Ya and all those pro slavery states, with all those cultural hand me downs are now Republican
bastions. Along with secessionist talk, states rights rhetoric, freedom from federal interference
rhetoric.Pretty much the same things the confederacy advocated for.

Not to mention that all those states that were abolitionist, with are their cultural hand me downs,
are solid Blue States.

Thanks for Playing


edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

The Constitution defines what the Fed Govt is allowed to do.
It is very simple and straight forward.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Its pretty simple really. People work and put money into the social security trust fund(ponzi scheme or not) and when they get to be 65 expect "the state" to look out for them. Democrats didn't put social security cuts on the table.........the republicans did!

The federal minimum wage used to be $5.25 and Obama brought it up to $7.25. Big plus!

Both the gulf war and afghan war was started by the republican administration on questionable conditions and the democrats are commited to finishing the job by installing some sense of stability...very hard to do in such countries. Republicans are hypocrtical enough to dump this on Obama as though he should just walk out of all the commitments Bush made. In oher words thousands dieing for nothing!

Now the democrats are no saints, because they get paid by the same corporations the republicans get paid by, and this can be seen by the way they handled the BP disaster, TEPCO disaster in japan, continous outsourcing of jobs to asia, lacking border patrols at the usa-mexico border(thus almost encouraging more illegals to enter), continous reliance on automation rather than good ole fashion *hand made* merchandise, etc.

Like I said both are conservative but the lesser of two evils is Obama and the democrats.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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President Obama is pressing congressional leaders to consider a far-reaching debt-reduction plan that would force Democrats to accept major changes to Social Security and Medicare in exchange for Republican support for fresh tax revenue.



www.washingtonpost.com...

um yeah right


oh yeah not really



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Wrong

Originally posted by mastahunta

And to which party did all those Racist Democrats flee to??? The segregationist South turned completely
Republican within two cycles.


Spin it how you want.........Al Gore is still a democrat like his daddy so your point kind of is poor and that's horrible logic as well but you are "free thinking" so that the bounds of normal induction don't hold with you.



Well fortunately the world knows the truth and got to witness a bunch of racist, conservative
rednecks get put into their place by the forces of freedom and equality.
edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


Huh? I wouldn't be calling Robert Byrd* a force of equality...he was a member of the KKK and I hope you know who that group is.


Ya, all those hippies kids marching and getting clubbed along with the black people were conservatives,
right...


You're talking about all those Southern Democrats right? Like Alby Gore Sr and Robert Byrd? They were standing there? Maybe you forgot, it was the REPUBLICANS who fought during the Civil War to end slavery.



Ya and all those pro slavery states, with all those cultural hand me downs are now Republican
bastions. Along with secessionist talk, states rights rhetoric, freedom from federal interference
rhetoric.Pretty much the same things the confederacy advocated for.

Not to mention that all those states that were abolitionist, with are their cultural hand me downs,
are solid Blue States.

Thanks for Playing


edit on 25-9-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)


I think a lot has changed since then so that's comparing apples to oranges. People move. A lot of people are moving down South because the economy is really booming down there. Look at Texas. The only Fed Reserve District to show positive economic growth.

It isn't the same people changing their opinions.

Thanks for playing.
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?




well said,

i would vote for Ron Paul though..lol

other than that governments can be abolished and i will be a happy Human



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

The Constitution defines what the Fed Govt is allowed to do.
It is very simple and straight forward.


The constitution has changed quite a few times in the past so its not black and white anymore, especially with regard to the interstate commerce laws which did not exist in the orginal document.

Anyway I think the federal government should be involved with healthcare and social security. There are 300 countries on this planet and only australia and the usa lack in social welfare systems. Its not anymore socialistic than bailling out banks and a whole array of other corporations.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

The Constitution defines what the Fed Govt is allowed to do.
It is very simple and straight forward.


The constitution has changed quite a few times in the past so its not black and white anymore, especially with regard to the interstate commerce laws which did not exist in the orginal document.

Anyway I think the federal government should be involved with healthcare and social security. There are 300 countries on this planet and only australia and the usa lack in social welfare systems. Its not anymore socialistic than bailling out banks and a whole array of other corporations.


I guess a lot of people forgot to see Healthcare and social security as a right when they read through the Const. Maybe because it isn't there.

Thanks for playing.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Wrong
I think a lot has changed since then so that's comparing apples to oranges. People move. A lot of people are moving down South because the economy is really booming down there. Look at Texas. The only Fed Reserve District to show positive economic growth.

It isn't the same people changing their opinions.

Thanks for playing.
edit on 25-9-2011 by Wrong because: (no reason given)


Thats great, I am all for people changing their opinions, I like progress you know.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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No, it is not grey. It was created and is very black and white.
The way to change it is the amendment process.
If you want the Govt to be in charge of Health Care, by all means, propose an amendment.
But no, the people that are deemed much smarter then the rest get to redefine terms and words, so it is tuned to their wants and desires. Instead of going the correct, legal and documented path.

Should the Govt provide such things? Personally, no.
As per the Constitution does the Fed Govt have the authority to do so? No.
Patriot Act, Health Care, EPA, Department of (Un) Education, firearms restrictions. All are illegal, as per that pesky document.
edit on 25-9-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

The Constitution defines what the Fed Govt is allowed to do.
It is very simple and straight forward.


Anyway I think the federal government should be involved with healthcare and social security. There are 300 countries on this planet and only australia and the usa lack in social welfare systems. Its not anymore socialistic than bailling out banks and a whole array of other corporations.


Sorry, but both are wrong, illegal and should not be done.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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A limited form of the Social Security program began as a measure to implement "social insurance" during the Great Depression of the 1930s, when poverty rates among senior citizens exceeded 50 percent.[10]

Creation: The Social Security Act

President Roosevelt signs the Social Security Act, at approximately 3:30 pm EST on August 14, 1935.[11] Standing with Roosevelt are Rep. Robert Doughton (D-NC); unknown person in shadow; Sen. Robert Wagner (D-NY); Rep. John Dingell (D-MI); unknown man in bowtie; the Secretary of Labor, Frances Perkins; Sen. Pat Harrison (D-MS); and Rep. David Lewis (D-MD).
The Social Security Act was drafted during Roosevelt's first term by the President's Committee on Economic Security, under Frances Perkins, and passed by Congress as part of the New Deal. The act was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children. By signing this act on August 14, 1935, President Roosevelt became the first president to advocate federal assistance for the elderly.[12]

Provisions of the Act

The Act is formally cited as the Social Security Act, ch. 531, 49 Stat. 620, now codified as 42 U.S.C. ch.7. The Act provided benefits to retirees and the unemployed, and a lump-sum benefit at death. Payments to current retirees are financed by a payroll tax on current workers' wages, half directly as a payroll tax and half paid by the employer. The act also gave money to states to provide assistance to aged individuals (Title I), for unemployment insurance (Title III), Aid to Families with Dependent Children (Title IV), Maternal and Child Welfare (Title V), public health services (Title VI), and the blind (Title X).[12]


So do people recoginise The United States Code or just the "original" constitution?

As for welfare that is provided on a state level and Obama's healthcare plan turned out to be a complete joke AGAIN thanks to the "know-it-all" republicans.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Well, the US Const is the supreme law of the land. The USC is laws passed by Conress, which can conflict with the Const but will ultimately lose.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


No, it is not grey. It was created and is very black and white.
The way to change it is the amendment process.
If you want the Govt to be in charge of Health Care, by all means, propose an amendment.
But no, the people that are deemed much smarter then the rest get to redefine terms and words, so it is tuned to their wants and desires. Instead of going the correct, legal and documented path.

Should the Govt provide such things? Personally, no.
As per the Constitution does the Fed Govt have the authority to do so? No.
Patriot Act, Health Care, EPA, Department of (Un) Education, firearms restrictions. All are illegal, as per that pesky document.
edit on 25-9-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)


I understand you prefer america turns into a third world country with make-believe do's and don'ts but most people want a comfortable retirement at the age of 60, paid healthcare by taxes-which is cheaper than private insurance AND welfare for people not bright enough to make something of themselves or people with physical handicaps that can't work.

Thanks for playing!



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


No, it is not grey. It was created and is very black and white.
The way to change it is the amendment process.
If you want the Govt to be in charge of Health Care, by all means, propose an amendment.
But no, the people that are deemed much smarter then the rest get to redefine terms and words, so it is tuned to their wants and desires. Instead of going the correct, legal and documented path.

Should the Govt provide such things? Personally, no.
As per the Constitution does the Fed Govt have the authority to do so? No.
Patriot Act, Health Care, EPA, Department of (Un) Education, firearms restrictions. All are illegal, as per that pesky document.
edit on 25-9-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)


I understand you prefer america turns into a third world country with make-believe do's and don'ts but most people want a comfortable retirement at the age of 60, paid healthcare by taxes-which is cheaper than private insurance AND welfare for people not bright enough to make something of themselves or people with physical handicaps that can't work.

Thanks for playing!


Wow, sounds like every Socialist Utopian Pitch to me.
Those have always worked out SO well.


No thanks. I will provide for myself. Retirement, health care, food, shelter.
You and everyone else should do the same.



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