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Yes there are hundreds of years of fraud in perpetual motion machines.
Originally posted by Pilgrum
That supposed 'free energy' device looks remarkably like the fraudulent proposals put forward many times going back at least 500 years so, to me, we have evidence of the patent office taking their jobs seriously in preventing something like this getting recognition.
As you can see, they've had enough issues with perpetual motion to address it specifically.
The USPTO Manual of Patent Examining Practice states:
With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device. If operability of a device is questioned, the applicant must establish it to the satisfaction of the examiner, but he or she may choose his or her own way of so doing.
And, further, that:
A rejection [of a patent application] on the ground of lack of utility includes the more specific grounds of inoperativeness, involving perpetual motion. A rejection under 35 U.S.C. 101 for lack of utility should not be based on grounds that the invention is frivolous, fraudulent or against public policy.
Er.. so what? I don't care for definitions because people don't speak that way.
It's the philosophy behind that persons science that is where the problem lies. One scientists science is different from anothers only because in reality it's all just a philosophy.
Originally posted by BigBruddah
The design just doesn't seem feasible for it to work... But the real problem is that if it does work then why can't they get a patent? Why would they make a machine that uses perpetual motion illegal to build?
Originally posted by 11I11
Never heard of energy from gravity before, but now i have seen this it seems so obvious.
Not necessarily. Consider the English longbow, or any bow for that matter. The physics of ballistics were not figured out until centuries after the bow's invention. That did not stop man from hunting and killing with it. Consider also the bumble bee. For a long time physicists said "it can't fly like that", but it still did. Scientists are not always right, and unlearned men create things every day.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by jude11
If he was a real scientist he'd first publish his new hypothesis to the scientific community rewriting the law of energy. Otherwise he's saying I know it can't happen but it happened and I don't know why..
True, BUT with permanent magnets equilibrium is reached where the attracting likes are in balance and the unit stops moving. Now, put your permanent magnet generator on a wind mill or a water wheel and you have "free electricity", as free as it gets anyway.
Originally posted by DJDigitalGem
I was looking at this thread and it got me thinking..... I started using good old Google to do some searches on perpetual motion and power generation and it made me think even more.
Basic grade school science.... Two magnets, opposites attract but like sides REPEL. Using the repel of several magnets may create MOTION and in motion we have ENERGY. I am going to the hardware store tonight to get me some magnets!
Originally posted by moebius
reply to post by hawkiye
Once again burning sugar. This is why you have to breath and eat from time to time.
Where does the electricity that animates the body come from?
Get up off the couch and tell me that motion is not work...
With work I mean the physical definition of work and not the one in your head. The physical definition of work is not motion, period. Look it up. If you want to bash physics try to understand it first. If you are not willing then this is the wrong forum.
edit on 24-9-2011 by moebius because: fix typos